Leave my social security alone!

medicineman

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Leave my social security alone, it's doing just fine!Annual Bell Has Privatizers Salivating Bernard Wasow, The Century Foundation, 5/2/2006
The Social Security Trustees have released their annual report on the state of the system. It presents a forecast similar to last year, but very slightly worse. If nothing is done in the next 34 years to adjust Social Security benefits and taxes, the system will be unable to meet its full obligations after 2040.
Predictably, opponents of public programs have seized on this opportunity to cry wolf. Engaging in some of their most creative accounting moves to date, the Heritage Foundation reports that the Social Security system not only needs to pay its promises of future benefits, but that it must come up with the money that the federal government will need to repay Social Security for the accumulated Social Security surpluses of the past two decades. This is as if a bank asked its depositors to figure out how the bank should meet its obligations to those depositors.
No matter how much the opponents might wail and wring their hands over the future burden of Social Security, that burden does not add up to much. Social Security will grow from about 4.3 percent of our total income today to about 6.3 percent, once and for all, as the baby boomers retire and the population grows older.
The simple arithmetic of an aging population is that old people will need a slightly bigger share of the pie if they are to avoid poverty. With an economy that grows at 2 percent per year in a good year, it should not be a big burden to come up with the resources needed to preserve the Social Security safety net. After all, the money we already have spent waging war against Iraq would cover the bulk of the deficit of Social Security over the next 75 years.
In order to really scare people, critics of Social Security almost invariably lump it together with Medicare when they present doomsday scenarios. This is an understandable tactic: the funding problems of Social Security are eminently manageable, while those of Medicare are indeed entirely unmanageable. Simple extrapolations of cost show Medicare voraciously gobbling up the nation’s resources.
What the critics of Medicare neglect to point out is that the problem is not the metastasis of the Medicare program but of health care costs throughout the economy. Businesses, families and government all are staggering under the growing burden of health care costs. To identify this as a public finance problem is like treating the problem of substance abuse as if it were a problem of public sector employee absenteeism. We certainly do face a public sector problem of future financing for Medicare. It is part of the society-wide problem of uncontrolled growth of health care costs.
So the latest report of the Social Security Trustees delivers no news we did not expect. It reinforces the conclusion that we are not facing a crisis in Social Security financing. Rather, we face the problem of coming up with about 2 percent of our GDP over the next 34 years to add to the resources flowing to Social Security, so that tomorrow’s bigger population of old people can have a standard of living similar to that of today’s old people. The report also highlights the fact—seen through the window on Medicare—that the cost of health care is spiraling out of control.
We can be sanguine about Social Security. All that is needed is to adjust the program slightly to accommodate the aging population. Medicare is a real problem, but the solution lies not in withdrawing publicly guaranteed medical insurance from old people but in reforming our entire health care delivery system.
Bernard Wasow is a senior fellow at The Century Foundation.
 

ViRedd

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"Simple extrapolations of cost show Medicare voraciously gobbling up the nation’s resources."

"Medicare is a real problem, but the solution lies not in withdrawing publicly guaranteed medical insurance from old people but in reforming our entire health care delivery system."

So, let's see ... Medicare is a government program that is "voraciously gobbleing up the nation's resources." And the solution is ... to replace it with an even larger government program?

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medicineman

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......................."Simple extrapolations of cost show Medicare voraciously gobbling up the nation’s resources."

"Medicare is a real problem, but the solution lies not in withdrawing publicly guaranteed medical insurance from old people but in reforming our entire health care delivery system."

So, let's see ... Medicare is a government program that is "voraciously gobbleing up the nation's resources." And the solution is ... to replace it with an even larger government program?.......................

Vi.........................
And your solution is? oh thats right, let the private sector take over medical and the price will come down. Bullshit!!! I'm not even going to argue this with you as you are so one way that it's useless. Just suffice it to say you are wrong and selfish, and no more needs to be said!

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ViRedd

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Well, YOUR solution is to replace a voracious government program that is gobbling up the nation's resouces, with another government program that will gobble up even more of the nation's resources.

Sounds like a winner to me, Med. *lol*

How about we just get the government the hell out of medical care all together and let the competition of the free market work? If the federal government belonged in health care, the Constitution would have said: "Congress SHALL PROVIDE health care to the People."

Any idea why the founders didn't insert that little gem into our liberty documents, Med?


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medicineman

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Bolderdash. We need single payer national health care. I've already told you that I have adequate care, so it's not about me. It's about all the people whom have none or worthless insurance! Talk all you want, but convincing me otherwise is a non-starter!
 

ViRedd

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"I've already told you that I have adequate care, so it's not about me."

I've never thought it was "about you" Med, so you don't have to clarify that. Well, do so if it makes you feel better about your position, but its not necessary.

Nope, its not about you at all, its about how much power do we, as freedom loving people, want to hand over to the federal government.

If you haven't heard, the California Legislature is going to introduce some kind of single payer health insurance in a senate bill sometime during this coming session. So ... if that eventually breaks the state financially, or if the taxes become too onerous here in California, all us Californians can move one state over into Nevada to escape the Liberals-Gone-Wild in Sacramento.

Move over Med ... Nevada is going to have a real estate boom!

Vi
 

medicineman

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Move over Med ... Nevada is going to have a real estate boom!
Where do you think the majority of the 7,000 people a month are coming from now? You rats are already leaving the sinking ship and starting to capsize this one. Can you imagine the overload on us. we're integrating 7,000 citizens per Mo. into our city. The roads and highways are just crazy as the infrastructure is being smothered. I've been back in Vegas for 17 years now and in that time it has grown from 650,000-2,000,000, tripled in size in 17 years. By 2012 they predict 3,000,000+++
 

ViRedd

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Oh, so you're in the Vegas area, eh? I attend the CES every year in January. If you promise not to beat the shit out of me, maybe we could hook up.

Vi
 

medicineman

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Oh, so you're in the Vegas area, eh? I attend the CES every year in January. If you promise not to beat the shit out of me, maybe we could hook up.

Vi
Yeah I promise, I'll send you a PM and we can meet at a restaurant or something. I'd invite you to my house but I want to remain annonomous on this site, and besides you'd see how really poor I am. lol CES eh, the casino employees hate the ces conventioneers as they are the cheapest bunch to come to town. A bunch of computer geeks for the most part and they don't have a clue on how to tip. In a town that lives on tokes, they pay ettention to conventioneers and CES ranks on the bottom. Just a little trivia for you!
 

ViRedd

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*lol* I can believe that one about the gambling. Man, I just don't have an extra moment to gamble other than playing Keno while taking meals. And the tipping? We don't have any money ... not because were poor, but because we spend so much on audio equipment. Its kind of like a herion habit without the needles.

Vi
 

medicineman

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*lol* I can believe that one about the gambling. Man, I just don't have an extra moment to gamble other than playing Keno while taking meals. And the tipping? We don't have any money ... not because were poor, but because we spend so much on audio equipment. Its kind of like a herion habit without the needles.

Vi
"Translation" Cheapskates!
 

ViRedd

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*lol* I can believe that one about the gambling. Man, I just don't have an extra moment to gamble other than playing Keno while taking meals. And the tipping? We don't have any money ... not because were poor, but because we spend so much on audio equipment. Its kind of like a herion habit without the needles.

Vi "Translation" Cheapskates!
Nope, not cheapskates, Med. A better translation would be "Addictive Personalities."

Vi
 
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