Leaf curling/eagle clawing update!

As long as the wooden dowel isn’t too thick it will
Cause problems going in and out.

SnidleyBluntash said:

Me I would turn the light up to more power

your temp display shows a low of 63f , that must be at night, lights off. What are your lights on hours?

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Mars hydro ts3000 @50% approximately 1.5 ft above canopy. 18/6. I maintain 75-80 temps with lights, RH 55-60%.

Metta_Messages said:

More control over ppm I guess. I never thought not to, I filter water for most things I use. I can stop immediately if it would be better? The water is approx 200ppm after filter btw. I was given samples of "Lotus" brand nutes at my local hydro store. If you're familiar with those nutes, what do you recommend for these autoflowers? I was going to default to 1/4 strength to begin?

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What type of filter is it and what's the pH coming out? 200 ppm is usually fine in soil. I'm not familiar with Lotus nutes but it looks like it's synthetic. Not that there's anything wrong with that, .

Here's what I saw. It should work fine. Just thought you should know it isn't organic if that's what you were going for.
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Mericat said:

What type of filter is it and what's the pH coming out? 200 ppm is usually fine in soil. I'm not familiar with Lotus nutes but it looks like it's synthetic. Not that there's anything wrong with that, .

Here's what I saw. It should work fine. Just thought you should know it isn't organic if that's what you were going for.

Frequently Asked Questions

Lotus has a unique look and feel. Why is that? Due to the complexity of our powdered blend, Lotus Nutrients will have a consistency similar to kinetic sand, which is exactly as it should be. Its unique texture is caused by the multitude of essential micro and macro nutrients we use in our mix...

lotusnutrients.com

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Just regular pur brand found anywhere. I ph it to 6.5-6.7 varying between waterings. Yeah I'm aware it;s synthetic.

Metta_Messages said:

Just regular pur brand found anywhere. I ph it to 6.5-6.7 varying between waterings. Yeah I'm aware it;s synthetic.

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Your water sound fine. You probably don't even need to be adding pH down. What is the pH out of the tap or filtered water? I would still flush that one plant if it was me though.

Mericat said:

Your water sound fine. You probably don't even need to be adding pH down. What is the pH out of the tap or filtered water? I would still flush that one plant if it was me though.

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way over like 7.2-7.4, I definitely use ph down. Should I flush during my next water and just give regular water to my other plants?

Metta_Messages said:

way over like 7.2-7.4, I definitely use ph down. Should I flush during my next water and just give regular water to my other plants?

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You don't need the pH down. Your water is fine without it for soil. Especially peat based soils. I'd use plain water for now and flush out that one that looks super toxic. And use the regular amount of water to your other plants. But they're your ladies.

Mericat said:

You don't need the pH down. Your water is fine without it for soil. Especially peat based soils. I'd use plain water for now and flush out that one that looks super toxic. And use the regular amount of water to your other plants. But they're your ladies.

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I appreciate your advice it is just that I had always heard and read otherwise. This is not living soil or anything fancy like that. Is there any reason you would specifically advise someone against phing their water to the range I mentioned, it's not necessarily harmful, right?

Metta_Messages said:

I appreciate your advice it is just that I had always heard and read otherwise. This is not living soil or anything fancy like that. But I will continue to research.

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No problem. The more you research the better. It technically is living soil right now. All that means is the soil is alive which it is so far. The Fish Shit you were adding is supposed to add more life in the form of beneficial microbes. There is no wrong way to grow though, so we all win.

I say don’t pH also.
almost every that’ thread where someone has problems, they r pHing in soil and

there are a lot of possible errors to make with that. And it’s not all that nessessary.

SnidleyBluntash said:

I say don’t pH also.
almost every that’ thread where someone has problems, they r pHing in soil and

there are a lot of possible errors to make with that. And it’s not all that nessessary.

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Thank you I will take this into consideration. I have no issue with using regular water for 1 or 2 waterings to see how the plants respond. I am just a bit uncertain since I've read otherwise.

I am still seeing yellowing and slight spottiness on lower leaves. In fact I plucked more leaves this evening upon returning home from work. I am not at all happy about having to continuously defoliate as these are autos and time is not on my side. I fear my yields and quality are diminishing before my eyes!

I did consult a BM friend and regarding the spots he suggested some ladybugs to address possible thrip issues? I inspected several leaves under a jewel loop and didn't see anything moving, but is there any harm in adding ladybugs if I have no thrips or other pests? He also said the general yellowing/dying off of lower leaves is normal. But this early in flower I'm not sure. Is it possible this yellowing and defoliation of my lower fan leaves is natural and not a concern? Here are some photos of what I saw today upon returning home. Please advise!

I defoliated this^^ from the lower parts of plants




^^^These^^^are from the tops of plants. This is relatively newer growth

Any advice from the community?

Autoflowers/day 37/5 gal ocean forest, happy frog mix/mars hydro ts3000 @ 50%; 1.5 ft above canopy/18,6/no nutes to date besides topdress of soil and worm castings 1.5 weeks ago/filtered, ph'ed water @6.5-6.7 only

Are the above spots ^^ the beginning of calcium deficiency? I have been filtering my water until now.

Update!
After much more smoking and research I do believe I was most likely not doing my plants any favors by filtering my water. My municipal water is hard and epsecially high in calcium which I have been filtering out, along with other minerals. I flushed my N tox plant and watered the rest with regular non filtered water, however I still did not add nutes yet. I'm expecting this to be the last plain watering. I feel like they are hungry at this point. My topdress of soil/ewc was nearly 2 weeks ago, and the plants have been in these containers iwth access to this soil for 29 days I believe. Time to feed, right? Here you can see the plants praying the morning after water. This was approximately 12 hours ago. The praying is a good sign, right?

Here are the plants at the time of posting

No more praying, a bit more yellowing at the bottom etc.

^^This means they are generally hungry and need calmag, right? These spots are early calcium deficiency?

^^This means they want K, right? I'm just trying to understand if my research is correct...

How would you proceed with feeding the plant who has shown N tox? Obviously I want to be careful with her. It's going to be super hot the next few days here(100+), I am expecting to water again sooner than before so I can probably feed them very soon.

Currently day 38. Half of these plants' lives are over already.

Can I feed calmag and my bloom nutes simultaneously? And how does one start feeding calmag? What strength etc?

Metta_Messages said:

Update!
After much more smoking and research I do believe I was most likely not doing my plants any favors by filtering my water. My municipal water is hard and epsecially high in calcium which I have been filtering out, along with other minerals. I flushed my N tox plant and watered the rest with regular non filtered water, however I still did not add nutes yet. I'm expecting this to be the last plain watering. I feel like they are hungry at this point. My topdress of soil/ewc was nearly 2 weeks ago, and the plants have been in these containers iwth access to this soil for 29 days I believe. Time to feed, right? Here you can see the plants praying the morning after water. This was approximately 12 hours ago. The praying is a good sign, right?
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Here are the plants at the time of posting
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No more praying, a bit more yellowing at the bottom etc.
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^^This means they are generally hungry and need calmag, right? These spots are early calcium deficiency?
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^^This means they want K, right? I'm just trying to understand if my research is correct...

How would you proceed with feeding the plant who has shown N tox? Obviously I want to be careful with her. It's going to be super hot the next few days here(100+), I am expecting to water again sooner than before so I can probably feed them very soon.

Currently day 38. Half of these plants' lives are over already.

Can I feed calmag and my bloom nutes simultaneously? And how does one start feeding calmag? What strength etc?

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As far as I know the PUR water filters don't remove calcium, so you probably have plenty in your water already. My guess is those spots are something fungal, but I don't know.

Mericat said:

As far as I know the PUR water filters don't remove calcium, so you probably have plenty in your water already. My guess is those spots are something fungal, but I don't know. I see you are running lower temps with higher humidity. How is your airflow?

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Thank you for your reply, but I do recall seeing many examples of Ca deficiency that look so similar. I actually felt pretty sure but now I am second guessing myself. I did assume pur filtered out Ca but now I see you are correct. Still, would feeding calmag harm my plants at this time, in small amounts?
Do you have any examples of fungal concerns and how to treat them you could link?
My airflow is good oscillating fan under canopy and clipped fan above. You can also see some of the defoliating I recently did. What is the ideal humidity for flower?
If you wouldn't mind, can you confirm that I should move forward with feeding during my next watering? I do feel they are quite hungry.

I never even thought you ever had N tox.
See the pink stems on the leaves : phosphorus deficiency? So I think you need nutes. Giver her a splash of ‘bloom’ nutes.
This is an auto so I guess take it easy.
And I always add a squirt of cal mag any ways. So put some of that. What is the N contents of the cal mag?
Humidity : you want as low as possible, with out spending $ for a dehumidifier.

hmm your ‘praying pics’ look strange. Not praying. And then later they look wilted.

so pull out that bamboo stick I told you about and feel it. Too wet? Too dry?

so. Purple stems. You can increase the temp of the room, or it’s P deficiency.
Or thenpH of everything from pHing has caused all this. And you actually have enough nutes but just the pH is off.

Your plane is pretty big. Maybe it has used up all the nutes in the store bought soil. So time to switch to bottles. Or top dress.

SnidleyBluntash said:

I never even thought you ever had N tox.
See the pink stems on the leaves : phosphorus deficiency? So I think you need nutes. Giver her a splash of ‘bloom’ nutes.
This is an auto so I guess take it easy.
And I always add a squirt of cal mag any ways. So put some of that. What is the N contents of the cal mag?
Humidity : you want as low as possible, with out spending $ for a dehumidifier.

hmm your ‘praying pics’ look strange. Not praying. And then later they look wilted.

so pull out that bamboo stick I told you about and feel it. Too wet? Too dry?

so. Purple stems. You can increase the temp of the room, or it’s P deficiency.
Or thenpH of everything from pHing has caused all this. And you actually have enough nutes but just the pH is off.

Your plane is pretty big. Maybe it has used up all the nutes in the store bought soil. So time to switch to bottles. Or top dress.

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Hmm I appreciate your insight but now I am further confused From what I gathered while reading and studying during the recent days the behavior of my plants seemed typical as I've described above. Regarding the possible N tox, I already accounted for light brightness and distance, which can also cause clawing as I understand. So therefore it would most likely be N tox as I have read the FFOF runs hot and the fish shit I was feeding them also has N.
Yes I agree they need food and I will feed them during my next watering @ 25% strength to start. Would you recommend that?
I do not have the calmag yet I will buy it tomorrow, however I can see online they are showing 1-2 N with 0PK. How much would you advise to give approximately?
Just give me an approximate range for humidity? I understand it is naturally a relatively fluid factor and not something the grower should stress about and seek to absolutely control?
I am using fabric containers and I water with 2 gal each plant. I feel they are watered well and there is plenty of runoff. I take them out of the tent and water them slowly while rotating them so they are evenly wet. Not to bore you with too much detail, but I just mean to say I do believe I am watering them appropriately and they have never truly appeared "wilted" to me. I felt certain that particular picture showed an classic example of praying as I saw it. Why else would they respond this way immediately after water then revert to what you describe as "wilted"?
It is certainly not too hot in that room at this time I believe. I am actually not even comfortable enough to sleep there anymore. Regarding any deficiencies I do plan to feed immediately. I was given samples of "Lotus" brand bloom nutes at my local store, are you familiar with this brand?

Metta_Messages said:

Update!
After much more smoking and research I do believe I was most likely not doing my plants any favors by filtering my water. My municipal water is hard and epsecially high in calcium which I have been filtering out, along with other minerals. I flushed my N tox plant and watered the rest with regular non filtered water, however I still did not add nutes yet. I'm expecting this to be the last plain watering. I feel like they are hungry at this point. My topdress of soil/ewc was nearly 2 weeks ago, and the plants have been in these containers iwth access to this soil for 29 days I believe. Time to feed, right? Here you can see the plants praying the morning after water. This was approximately 12 hours ago. The praying is a good sign, right?
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Here are the plants at the time of posting
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No more praying, a bit more yellowing at the bottom etc.
View attachment 5320324
^^This means they are generally hungry and need calmag, right? These spots are early calcium deficiency?
View attachment 5320325
^^This means they want K, right? I'm just trying to understand if my research is correct...

How would you proceed with feeding the plant who has shown N tox? Obviously I want to be careful with her. It's going to be super hot the next few days here(100+), I am expecting to water again sooner than before so I can probably feed them very soon.

Currently day 38. Half of these plants' lives are over already.

Can I feed calmag and my bloom nutes simultaneously? And how does one start feeding calmag? What strength etc?

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Plant is hungry! Also needs more calcium as those spots are related to that. It uses a lot of calcium at this point in its life cycle.

If I were you I’d feed a low dosage of bloom/grow nutes @ 50/50 ratio with a splash of calmag and monitor the plant.

The yellowing won’t go green but will stop progressing. Can take a few days for the plant to stop eating itself.

Good luck!

Nutty sKunK said:

Plant is hungry! Also needs more calcium as those spots are related to that. It uses a lot of calcium at this point in its life cycle.

If I were you I’d feed a low dosage of bloom/grow nutes @ 50/50 ratio with a splash of calmag and monitor the plant.

The yellowing won’t go green but will stop progressing. Can take a few days for the plant to stop eating itself.

Good luck!

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Thank you, I am glad to see some of my intuation was correct. I am planning to feed very soon.

OK update time!

I have been begun feeding "Pride Lands" bloom nutes @ 25% strength as of Wed 8/23. This is an organic amendment and don't these kinds of nutrients prefer a certain amount of time in the soil before being needed by the plant? I may have dropped the ball and fed too late again! The yellowing on certain leaves the plants were experiencing has progressed even after feeding! I believe the plants are consuming the nutrients in those leaves since they have no choice right? I have between 1-1.5 months left with these autoflowers so I need to rise this out regardless. I will upload pics later this evening.

For my next grow, I am considering mixing my soil and veg amendments 2-3 weeks ahead of time before the plants get transplanted into that soil and out of their solo cups. Would this be enough time to allow the bacteria to work on the nutrients before the plants go in? Or is this step not necessary? I will certainly be running photoperiod plants next time