Leaf curling/eagle clawing update!

Metta_Messages · Aug 11, 2023

So I started a thread yesterday asking for help with my plants, and there was an accident and the thread got deleted. However I was enjoying the discussion and advice so I wanted to started another thread and continue with updates. The attahced photos show the whole garden and one plant in particular who is clawing. As I mentioned before, the new growth on 1-2 of my plants is clawing and it is most likely N tox related. My plan is to move forward with just plain ph water until things improve. Thanks for all who helped before and I welcome new discussion and advice!

My plants
Mango Smile autoflower by Mephisto; Day 27
Mars Hydro TS3000 @40%; ~20inch from canopy; 3x3 tent; 75°-80°; RH 60%
FF ocean forest/happy frog 50/50 soil mix: 5 gallon
Plain water for now, 6.6-6.7ph. No nutrients given til date. Was previously giving "fish shit" @ 25% strength however in order to address my N issues I will stop for now.
No watering "schedule" per se. I lift the pot and also check with my knuckle, and then sleep on it another night to be sure. Have only watered 3 times in total in 15 days since the plants went into their final 5 gal pots
Literally my first grow.

Metta_Messages · Aug 14, 2023

Update!
Here are the plants now. The first photo is yesterday morning approximately 24 hours ago. The second photo is now after plain water last night. Third photo is one of the better early bud sites. What do you all think? I am feeling better about the garden now.

Oldguyrealy · Aug 15, 2023

I'm not going to look it up but by the color of the leaves it was getting too much of something.

pegboy · Aug 15, 2023

Some plants just aren't healthy from day one. This was my last run. The lady in the back just never came around.
HOWEVER in the end she had a super cheesy smell (the others had no cheese whatsoever) and was actually a great high.

Cpappa27 · Aug 15, 2023

There is always that one that doesn't cooperate, I get one almost every grow.

Metta_Messages · Aug 15, 2023

Here is day 31. Would in be appropriate to defoliate at this time? I am already feeling cramped in this 3x3 tent when watering and lst.

Metta_Messages · Aug 20, 2023

Ok I am definitely in need of more advice. Day 36 and shit is getting real. I went out of state for 2 days and came back to some concerns. I watered Fri (8/18th) morning as per my schedule with plain ph water (nothing else has changed regarding the conditions of my plants, several comments above^^^. If anything there is even more airflow now since I defoliated and added another fan). I did have someone I trust check only my temps and humidity while I was gone, but the person otherwise knows nothing about growing cannabis and couldn't identify or correct an issue even if they wanted. I inspected my plants before I left and the below pics were not present 2-3 days ago. All of what is pictured below has since been defoliated along with approximately 2 dozen similar leaves in total.

For this ^one especially please only advise regarding the color. The damage to the leaf itself was present and made by me during lst and not a pest I am 100% certain of that. That is not to say a pest is not possibly present now...

This one is especially terrifying^

Same leaf as above, front side

Here is the full garden below. You can easily identify the plant that was originally clawing and caused me to start this thread. However, the above issues are present on all 5 plants now. It is all completely located on the bottom 25% of the plant. Thank you very much for any help!

Hollatchaboy · Aug 20, 2023

Metta_Messages said:
Ok I am definitely in need of more advice. Day 36 and shit is getting real. I went out of state for 2 days and came back to some concerns. I watered Fri (8/18th) morning as per my schedule with plain ph water (nothing else has changed regarding the conditions of my plants, several comments above^^^. If anything there is even more airflow now since I defoliated and added another fan). I did have someone I trust check only my temps and humidity while I was gone, but the person otherwise knows nothing about growing cannabis and couldn't identify or correct an issue even if they wanted. I inspected my plants before I left and the below pics were not present 2-3 days ago. All of what is pictured below has since been defoliated along with approximately 2 dozen similar leaves in total.
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For this ^one especially please only advise regarding the color. The damage to the leaf itself was present and made by me during lst and not a pest I am 100% certain of that. That is not to say a pest is not possibly present now...
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This one is especially terrifying^
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Same leaf as above, front side
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Here is the full garden below. You can easily identify the plant that was originally clawing and caused me to start this thread. However, the above issues are present on all 5 plants now. It is all completely located on the bottom 25% of the plant. Thank you very much for any help!
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How you started feeding yet?

Metta_Messages · Aug 20, 2023

Hollatchaboy said:
How you started feeding yet?

I haven't. Only topdressed with soil and worm castings 1 week ago. The plants have only been in these containers for 26 days. Do you suppose they have gone through their nutrients plus the topdress in that time? They are in a mix of 50/50 ocean forest and happy frog. My understanding is that this kind of soil should have enough nutrients for about 30 days or so. However they are in flower now, does that mean they need additional nutes now? Please recall that I started this thread about N tox 9 days ago. Is it wise to feed at this time?

Mericat · Aug 20, 2023

Metta_Messages said:
Ok I am definitely in need of more advice. Day 36 and shit is getting real. I went out of state for 2 days and came back to some concerns. I watered Fri (8/18th) morning as per my schedule with plain ph water (nothing else has changed regarding the conditions of my plants, several comments above^^^. If anything there is even more airflow now since I defoliated and added another fan). I did have someone I trust check only my temps and humidity while I was gone, but the person otherwise knows nothing about growing cannabis and couldn't identify or correct an issue even if they wanted. I inspected my plants before I left and the below pics were not present 2-3 days ago. All of what is pictured below has since been defoliated along with approximately 2 dozen similar leaves in total.
View attachment 5319664
For this ^one especially please only advise regarding the color. The damage to the leaf itself was present and made by me during lst and not a pest I am 100% certain of that. That is not to say a pest is not possibly present now...
View attachment 5319665 View attachment 5319667
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This one is especially terrifying^
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Same leaf as above, front side
View attachment 5319671
Here is the full garden below. You can easily identify the plant that was originally clawing and caused me to start this thread. However, the above issues are present on all 5 plants now. It is all completely located on the bottom 25% of the plant. Thank you very much for any help!
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Those clawed leaves look like too much N. But those leaves towards the bottom looks more like a fungal thing. What are your watering practices like?

Metta_Messages · Aug 20, 2023

Mericat said:
Those clawed leaves look like too much N. But those leaves towards the bottom looks more like a fungal thing. What are your watering practices like?

Yes I noticed clawing early in 1 particular plant out of 5 and adjusted my feed. I was previously giving ONLY filtered ph'ed water and "fish sh!t" which as far as I could discover does not contain any NPK, however it seems to be related to this N tox so I have given only filtered ph'ed water since. I weigh my pots and also use my knuckle, then wait another day on top of that. I have only watered 5 or 6 times in 36 days I believe. My medium is fox farms ocean forest/happy frog mix. They have been in this soil for 26 days and I topdressed with oforest and ewc 1 week ago (80/20 mix). When would be an appropriate time to begin feeding again, given that I am trying to be mindful of the N tox I have experienced in 1-2 plants? Please recall that these are autoflower. And also should I go straight into bloom nutes or mix 50/50 grow/bloom?

Hollatchaboy · Aug 20, 2023

Metta_Messages said:
I haven't. Only topdressed with soil and worm castings 1 week ago. The plants have only been in these containers for 26 days. Do you suppose they have gone through their nutrients plus the topdress in that time? They are in a mix of 50/50 ocean forest and happy frog. My understanding is that this kind of soil should have enough nutrients for about 30 days or so. However they are in flower now, does that mean they need additional nutes now? Please recall that I started this thread about N tox 9 days ago. Is it wise to feed at this time?

Your topdress should be sufficient, but I'd add some mulch.

Metta_Messages · Aug 20, 2023

Hollatchaboy said:
Your topdress should be sufficient, but I'd add some mulch.

For approximately how long do you suppose?

Mericat · Aug 20, 2023

Metta_Messages said:
Yes I noticed clawing early in 1 particular plant out of 5 and adjusted my feed. I was previously giving ONLY filtered ph'ed water and "fish sh!t" which as far as I could discover does not contain any NPK, however it seems to be related to this N tox so I have given only filtered ph'ed water since. I weigh my pots and also use my knuckle, then wait another day on top of that. I have only watered 5 or 6 times in 36 days I believe. My medium is fox farms ocean forest/happy frog mix. They have been in this soil for 26 days and I topdressed with oforest and ewc 1 week ago (80/20 mix). When would be an appropriate time to begin feeding again, given that I am trying to be mindful of the N tox I have experienced in 1-2 plants? Please recall that these are autoflower. And also should I go straight into bloom nutes or mix 50/50 grow/bloom?

I'd just give plain water for now. I don't know what's wrong with that one in the back, but I might flush that one a little. And is there a reason you're using filtered water? Tap water is usually fine in soil. Also what nutes are you planning on using?

SnidleyBluntash · Aug 20, 2023

K so the testing on the soil with your knuckle, your going to get your finger dirty,

I recommend, a long bamboo shishkabob stick, and stickit down into the dirt and leave it there. Then, to check the moisture, pull it out and feel it. Then stick it back in. You can even check the moisture at different levels in the soil.
:bigjoint:

SnidleyBluntash · Aug 20, 2023

Those leaves turning yellow at the bottom is nothing. Your light isn’t getting down to them and they are ng from lack of use. You should trim all the bottom junk off any ways.

but because a leave starts showing signs, dont nessesairily cut it off, because you won’t get to see if it’s getting worse.

slowly taper down your Grow nutes and end them when the plant tells you.

Metta_Messages · Aug 20, 2023

Mericat said:
I'd just give plain water for now. I don't know what's wrong with that one in the back, but I might flush that one a little. And is there a reason you're using filtered water? Tap water is usually fine in soil. Also what nutes are you planning on using?

More control over ppm I guess. I never thought not to, I filter water for most things I use. I can stop immediately if it would be better? The water is approx 200ppm after filter btw. I was given samples of "Lotus" brand nutes at my local hydro store. If you're familiar with those nutes, what do you recommend for these autoflowers? I was going to default to 1/4 strength to begin?

Metta_Messages · Aug 20, 2023

SnidleyBluntash said:
Those leaves turning yellow at the bottom is nothing. Your light isn’t getting down to them and they are ng from lack of use. You should trim all the bottom junk off any ways.

but because a leave starts showing signs, dont nessesairily cut it off, because you won’t get to see if it’s getting worse.

slowly taper down your Grow nutes and end them when the plant tells you.

I really do appreciate all this help, but I feel like it is super relevant that I keep mentioning these are autoflowers, day 36. They wont even be alive in another month and a half. I have only ever given a topdress of soil to date. I have literally not opened a single package of nutrients yet since this is my first grow and I am trying to figure out when to feed at all and approximately how much. I was only given samples of "Lotus" brand nutes at my local hydro store.

Metta_Messages · Aug 20, 2023

SnidleyBluntash said:
K so the testing on the soil with your knuckle, your going to get your finger dirty,

I recommend, a long bamboo shishkabob stick, and stickit down into the dirt and leave it there. Then, to check the moisture, pull it out and feel it. Then stick it back in. You can even check the moisture at different levels in the soil.

For sure this makes sense. I will implement this immediately. I assume a wooden dowel is fine?

SnidleyBluntash · Aug 20, 2023

Me I would turn the light up to more power

your temp display shows a low of 63f , that must be at night, lights off. What are your lights on hours?

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