victor vicious uses a procyon the best there is in led for clones. check his journal out, about halfway through he gets one. I plan to use a ufo evntually for op 2 2 mother plants and clones in my small med grow. At 90 watts i fig it bettern than a cfl setup at 110 or hid at 250 i plan to use for mother and clones. It lacks the density power and such of a chepaer hid. Idk it looks to me from reading and leds got me into growing that fro 400 to a few thosand you could get a light that would work like a 400 but you gotta keep it closer and therfor have less a radius. I am using a 400 hid for now and gona upgrade to a 600. I will use a ufo as it is always on sale when i save up for mothers i hope. Pus i am not comercail so there is the fun factor of the cool led with no heat worry for me.