This thread is full of win. So much good information. Sorry for the long post. Interesting stuff.
Yeah I use to smoke all that stuff, columbian gold, panama red etc. Seemed incredibly trippy and for me quite narcotic as well. I know you don't hear sativas refered to as narcotic. That's usually reserved for indicas, but I use to get so High I would be laying on the floor not able to get up after smoking a quantity of it. And by quantity I don't mean that much, stuff was potent as hell, but real friendly too.
However I've yet to see any pure landrace exotic sativa grown indoors, that performed anything like I remember smoking.
Any time I smoke one to many hits of the Durban Poison (IBL South African) it has a narcotic effect on me too. Almost a couch-lock but also a tingling head on the trippy side. (heart racing sativa brain stimulation) Almost better to go light on the consumption side for the awake alert effect for me.
The under performance would be a result of not being able to reproduce the same effects you have in a mountain or tropical environment. However, i agree the use of more UVB could have a better result on such strains. But I agree that it will never be the same as a memory.
I recently grew out, some Afghan Peshwar and some Bhutanese. The Bhutanese had a ditchweed flavor to it, I wasn't very impressed with it. But still it was a superior product to the 400 dollar an ounce rock hard crystal nugs you see floating around on average. But then I'm not very impressed with most bud I see anyway...
But the Bhutanese was 16 weeks flowering...
Funny that the ditchweed flavor strain was better than crystal nugs but understandable. It actually might be better if the best example of that phenotype could be BX squared before it was crossed with something else to improve the weight and flower time in a hybrid. But retain the favorable traits of the Bhutanese. As reeferman suggested about should be growing hybrids.
I think if you want a sativa/haze effect, then you'll probably be happier finding some hybridized sativa plant better suited for indoor growing.
To paraphrase breeder Reeferman here on the topic, most growers who THINK they want to be growing landraces, ACTUALLY want to be growing good hybrids.
Typically the tropical/equatorial landraces that people talk about (Thai, Malawi, etc) that people talk about don't have much (or any) CBD in there.
THCV (which is found in African strains, among others) is the one that's the most "psychedelic".
I could not agree more with THCV. CBD is found in some sativa's. Not exactly sure from which country however. Interesting research project for someone. I bet Burmese contains some CBD.
I always save a backup clone, learned this lesson long ago.
So far I've ran two of Neville Grail (oaxocan and munimbly). I'm hooked on the Oax and I have only ran 2 seeds of that on so far so I expect good thing from the other 8.
Always wanted to get the Oaxocan highland gold. Here is some interesting info from DJ Short and Jason King from cannabible on that strain.
Highland Oaxaca
Highland Gold, somewhat similar to the Colombian Gold, lacked bright gold color but sported purple and red calyx tips on its blondish-brownish-green buds. It had larger buds surrounded by long, skinny leaves. It was some of my all-time favorite because the aroma and flavor were of a super-spicy cedar incense with a slight fermented berry taste, in a very comfortable yet powerfully psychedelic pot. With a long lasting, creeper high that kept coming on in waves over the hours, this stuff had no ceiling. One phenomenon consistently reported from the Highland Oaxaca experience was that of peripheral visual distortions of primarily cartoon color images. The finished product was a very sweet and spicy herb of the highest quality, with a hint of fruity pine aroma.
Jason King Cannabible:
"There has been much debate about Diesel's origins. The story I'm most inclined to believe is that it comes from an old mexican strain from Oaxaca. Approximately twenty years ago in New York City, a clone was taken from this legendary Mexican, and this clone is what we now call Diesel." pp 52 Cannibable II Diesel #2,#7, #10.
My understanding is that most of the Mexican stuff is hybridized; part modern/Dutch genetics mixed in various proportions with old-school Mexican genetics. Remember, Mexico is a big country and all kinds of different weed is grown there in different parts of the country.
Here is something else from DJ on the origin of some of the mexican sativa's from the past. I believe seeds from Africa, middle east, Columbia and a few other locations have been grown in mexico and it depended where in mexico and the years grown before it showed up in your hands. Heres a great example of just that.
"DJ Short Strains of Yesteryear"
Guerrero
"This strain from Mexico's coastal mountains came in famed green, seeded spears and cost $60 to $120 per ounce in 1977. It had a spicy, almost wintergreen fragrance compared to the other Mexicans with a very clear head high and a most pleasant smoke. It was not as strong as most, but this herb still had a way of satisfying all its own.
There was a legend about a group of entrepreneurs who imported seed from Lebanon to Guerrero and grew the famed Lebanese Upper Mountain (LUM) from the late 1970's to 1980. The LUM was electric, psychedelic and slightly sedative as well. A unique herb that I wish there would have been more of.
The seeds from the Guerrero were medium to large in size and grey to green in color. The plants from these seeds grew similarly to other Mexican and Colombian strains: a medium to tall, bushy, productive plant. The Guerrero Green, however, is where some of the famed onion and garlic flavored bud of the Pacific Northwest originated."
Hope that helps.
