Laceygirls Grow

What happened here
As the New York sunset disappeared
I found an empty garden among the flagstones there
Who lived here?
He must have been a gardener that cared a lot
Who weeded out the tears and grew a good crop
And now it all looks strange
It's funny how an insect can damage so much grain

And what's it for?
This little empty garden by the brownstone door
And in the cracks along the sidewalk nothing grows no more
Who lived here?
He must have been a gardener that cared a lot
Who weeded out the tears and grew a good crop
And we are so amazed, we're crippled and we're dazed
A gardener like that one no one can replace

And I've been knocking but no one answers
And I've been knocking most all the day
Oh and I've been calling oh hey hey Johnny
Can't you come out to play

And through their tears
Some say he farmed his best in younger years
But he'd have said that roots grow stronger, if only he could hear
Who lived there?
He must have been a gardener that cared a lot
Who weeded out the tears and grew a good crop
Now we pray for rain, and with every drop that falls
We hear, we hear your name

And I've been knocking but no one answers
And I've been knocking most all the day
Oh and I've been calling oh hey hey Johnny
Can't you come out to play
In your Empty Garden....

A fitting song for all the gardeners on this website....

Love Laceygirl...

G'day all, Laceygirl again.. I have just finished shopping at Discount Hydroponics on Ebay... This is my new favourite store...

I only wanted to buy a new tent and some pots, I ended up purchasing heaps of stuff...

I bought the tent, 4 square pots, 100 litres of perlite, 20 litres vermiculite, Aluminium Foil Tape, and a heaps powerful air pump... I saved heaps....I can highly recommend them... They're based in Wollongong.... Already have a large list ready for my next purchase... It never ends...

Laceygirl...

I am glad you like them LG. I remember a while back discussing the pros and cons to shopping online as an alternative to a hyrdo shop. You do save some $$$$ with the people you mention. They have provided me all that i have, which isnt much.

laceygirl said:

This is courtesy of a lovely lady, DoeEyed... Thanks to you for this Doe...Check out her journal, its bloody good...

I needed to put it somewhere so I wont forget it....

You bet! Sorry it took me a minute, modified a pic to show you where to cut.

1 is the first node on the plant. Single bladed leaves usually, and not a "true" node.

2 is the first "true" node on the plant.

3 is the second "true" node on the plant.

The cut is half an inch to an inch, above the second true node. Cutting here will give you four main colas.
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Lacey, I hate to burst your bubble but the first single bladed leaves are a true node. If you go by that chart, you are potentially ending up with 6 main tops.

Riddleme made the same mistake in UB's topping thread, and I and Ben had to set him right.

Hey Lacey, I just thought u should know that SLH Does NOT like to be topped. I've grown it every which way since it was released from Coco, Ebb & Flow, DWC, LST, Fimming, Topping, SOG, Outdoors, Indoors, Chemical & Organic, lol, and trust me best results come from a simple LST and a high EC feeding schedule.
I grew it to 8 1/2 weeks the 1st time, 9 weeks the 2nd time & 9 1/2 weeks the 3rd and I must say that 9 weeks would have been the optimum. Your going to be using good Canna nutes aswell, so I believe you should pump it out in the 9 weeks without a wucka.
Keep up the Good Work - Take Care

XxNinjaxX said:

Hey Lacey, I just thought u should know that SLH Does NOT like to be topped. I've grown it every which way since it was released from Coco, Ebb & Flow, DWC, LST, Fimming, Topping, SOG, Outdoors, Indoors, Chemical & Organic, lol, and trust me best results come from a simple LST and a high EC feeding schedule.
I grew it to 8 1/2 weeks the 1st time, 9 weeks the 2nd time & 9 1/2 weeks the 3rd and I must say that 9 weeks would have been the optimum. Your going to be using good Canna nutes aswell, so I believe you should pump it out in the 9 weeks without a wucka.
Keep up the Good Work - Take Care

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Hey Ninja, I've had to top nearly all of them... Its the only way I could get them to bush out and they have.. I am going to have some serious cola action from these babies....lol...

The mother plant which hasn't been touched, is shockingly tall... Its got long legs like the Widow... I haven't topped it and its a lanky bitch...

I don't need that in the big tent, hence the severe tying down action... Topping hasn't really made that much of a difference to them... They just keep growing, they are all covering the whole top of my 20 litre pots now.. Will take more pics in a day or two...

They smell nice though...lol...

Laceygirl...

Here is my proudest girl so far...

DaveCoulier said:

Lacey, I hate to burst your bubble but the first single bladed leaves are a true node. If you go by that chart, you are potentially ending up with 6 main tops.

Riddleme made the same mistake in UB's topping thread, and I and Ben had to set him right.

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Sorry to argue, but you are incorrect. I have topped 36 plants from several different grows in exactly this way, and have gotten exactly 4 main colas every time. I think that speaks for itself.

The problem I have, is that I very rarely grow from seed.. And apparently this technique is for seedlings only as cuttings have different hormones going on....

When I top my cuttings, and I mean I top them wherever I feel they need to be topped, is where I do it...I still get excellent cola action...

I only grow from Seed to try and get good mothers from quality strains...

Laceygirl...

I haven't tried to top any clones yet - but I know you can. The difference, is if it were a clone, you would count the bottom node.

DoeEyed said:

Sorry to argue, but you are incorrect. I have topped 36 plants from several different grows in exactly this way, and have gotten exactly 4 main colas every time. I think that speaks for itself.

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Maybe you've found a way to guarantee exactly 4 main colas. When Ive topped above the second true node, Ive ended up with 2 or 4 main colas. Not exactly consistent so far. Maybe topping above the third like you do is more consistent.

Here is a post with pictures that shows a plant from seed topped above the second true node, and you will see it grows branches out from the first true node. The one that you believe isn't a true node.

https://www.rollitup.org/3869804-post1827.html

Here a simple post by Afka explaining it in the "What is the true second node", with an appearance by UB. Notice he doesn't get his balls busted by UB, so Im pretty sure he's on the right track.

https://www.rollitup.org/3868843-post9.html

Heres a pic of his plant topped in that method. Pretty hard to miss the 4 main tops

https://www.rollitup.org/3868769-post1824.html

Thankyou Doe and Dave, this is exactly what I wanted... An intelligent discussion on topping I am stoked... This is the one area, I haven't had a great deal of experience so this is all helping heaps..

You guys Rock...

Laceygirl...

laceygirl said:

Thankyou Doe and Dave, this is exactly what I wanted... An intelligent discussion on topping I am stoked... This is the one area, I haven't had a great deal of experience so this is all helping heaps..

You guys Rock...

Laceygirl...

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If I were you, Id ask UB to set it completely straight for you. He may give you a swift kick in the ass for asking what the second true node is, but at least you'll know with 100% certainty.

G'day all Laceygirl again... Here are some more pics of the big tent... The first pic is of the SLH Mother... Good grief, she's going to be a lanky bitch ....



Here is Pamela, the Blue Cheese


This is the picture of my current mother tent, it only has two mothers in it at the moment and I wanted to put four... Very short sighted of me... Just not enough room, good to know my new bigger tent will be here on Thursday before the Easter Break...


This pic is of the SLH so far... Don't know if I am going to top again or not... Any ideas... I may have to, as its going to be soo friggin' tall... Look at the mother for Christ sake...lol...


Got my two big black trays today... Bonus... More when I get the new tent...Again, I am sooo excited....

Laceygirl....

DaveCoulier said:

If I were you, Id ask UB to set it completely straight for you. He may give you a swift kick in the ass for asking what the second true node is, but at least you'll know with 100% certainty.

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Hey there Dave. Here's what it says in the first paragraph, in Uncle Ben's thread on this:

Selecting the point for topping to get 4 main colas -

To get 4 main colas, let your seedling or cutting (clone) grow to about 5-6 nodes and pinch out (cut) the stem just above the 2nd true node. The node where the cotyledons attach doesn't count.

When I first found this thread, I was still not 100% clear on if he meant that single bladed node. So I posted, and asked him. I don't want to search through all of my posts, or that ungodly long thread, lol. But it's there. That is not the first true node. If you look closely in the picture, you can see the cotyledons are, in fact, right there - attatched to that node.

This link you gave me says the same thing. https://www.rollitup.org/3868843-post9.html
It says -
Look at the cotyledon.
Look above it, there will be 2 leaves with 2 (possibly) dormant axial stems.

Each leaf coming from the main stem has a possibility of being a main growing point.

If you want 2 main branches, cut above the first set of non-cotyledon leaves.

If you want 4 main branches, cut above the 2nd pair of non-cotyledon leaves. (leaving 4 possible branches)



I promise I'm done on this now, Laceygirl. lol Dave - I must say - it's nice to disagree with someone, without anyone resorting to name calling or rude remarks!

Things are looking good in there! Yeah you're gonna have a tall lady on your hands - just gotta show her who's boss! hehe

DoeEyed, you have me completely confused at this point, and Im sober. I know the node where cotyledons are do not count, so why do I get the feeling you think I am counting it as a true node? Why are you reiterating that link from Afka as if it makes your case when he is stating cut above the second pair of non-cotyledon leaves. That would be the first single bladed leaves, and then cut after the next set of leaves.

The link I previously supplied shows a picture of a plant that has two lateral branches coming out from the node where there is two sets of single bladed leaves aka the first true node to me. With the cotyledons a node below.

Here is another one that UB posted himself, that shows lateral branches from the first set of single bladed serrated leaves.

https://www.rollitup.org/3232714-post1068.html



Are you still saying that we dont get lateral branching from the single serrated blades, which you do not consider a first true node. Correct?

No seriously guys, this is fine... This is something I know very little about and its interesting to hear two different points of view...

Don't feel like its thread hi jacking, its good for all others tuning in too...

Laceygirl...

Good morning all... Laceygirl here... I have been a busy bee here this morn...

Been in the big tent making preparations and I've taken some cuttings from the Rhino cross Widow for a friend... My roughneck container is yet to arrive so I can't use an autocloner (that remind me, I have to buy a new water pump)... Eightenough has my old one now anyway...

Hang on there's someone at my front door....

YAY....... My stuff from Discount Hydroponics has just arrived..... YAY..... Can't wait to crack it open, but sadly I have to work this afternoon.... Its only for three hours so I wont whinge...

Shall do the unwrapping and setting up tonight.... YAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYY

These are the cuttings


The rest of the pics are of the SLH tied down....










Will post more pics when I get the new mother tent set up....

Laceygirl....

Boy you don't mess around, do ya - show that plant who's boss! lol Can't wait to see your new goodies!

I agree Doe. I was feeling sorry for her husband when I saw that plant if you know what I mean.