DinafemHazeAuto
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Kush did u use only 1 blackstar cant remeber if u added 1 or not...GREAT JOB ON THE NUGGIES...looks awsome how do they smoke..
Kush Groove. The Black Star
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kush groove
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two 240 blackstars
the smoke is pretty good..the smell and flavor arent there yet, but its coming around
kush groove
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so after 4 days of drying and 3 days of curing i can finally weigh in.............i found my scale today obviously......but anyways on to the finale
bottom buds and tops of trainwreck.............26 grams
haze og.....1 plant........42 grams
fire og.....2 plants.......60 grams
for a grand total of 128grams........which is 4.5 ounces of dry bud
not too bad for a second grow and first time all led grow
so my day went something like this...
bottom buds and tops of trainwreck.............26 gramshaze og.....1 plant........42 gramsfire og.....2 plants.......60 gramsfor a grand total of 128grams........which is 4.5 ounces of dry bud
not too bad for a second grow and first time all led grow
so my day went something like this...
DinafemHazeAuto
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so ur right around .5g per w?? Kush r ur blackstars fans really loud? well louder that an hps ballast?
kush groove
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uhhh, i dont think so.......it never bothered me
lol, gram per watt............forgot all about that nonsense
imagine taking a road trip from los angeles to new york city, the trip was a blast and the first question someone ask you is "what was your miles per gallon?'
DinafemHazeAuto
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I was saying it bad like cuz thats all i aim for is .5g per w i know it doesnt matter much...Sorry Kush..I was just reading some treads and someone was complaing about how loud the LEDS fans r so thats why i asked bout the loudness...So whats next on the list bro??
maxpesh
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Hi there Kush, I don't mean to piss on anyone's parade as you have produced an excellent grow, but this 0.5 grams per watt has got me panicking about me buying 2 of the 500watt flowering models. So my total power consumption is 580watts for the 2 of them (290 each) and if I pull 300 grams I am going to go crazy man, they will be crushed and sent back to the shop. I regularly pull 500 grams from a 600watt hps grow and I thought the led's now were 2 times as efficient (especially flowering models), oh well I hope it was just your strain that is a low yielding plant. Anyway sorry, I don't mean to be a neg head, just thought you would have got at least 1g/watt.
Icculus
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I heard the 500w models only pull 270w
sleezy1
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No buddy, they pull 304 watts per light. I have two 500s right now. And Maxpesh, don't trip! Two 500s is a lot more juice than 2 240s. Plus, you might have more experience than Kushgroove. This is only his first full LED grow and like his 2nd grow total. I might be pulling 1g per watt in my growbox.
kush groove
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sorry bro i thought u were saying the grow was no good because i didnt achieve 1 gram per watt.....next on the list for me is setting up my new grow tent and i was kinda thinking about picking a cmh setup in addition to the led's for my next grow......i got a little more space now so i wanna get a little more lighting......cant wait to get set up
no worries bro...im not sure why your panicking.......i am by no means a professional and you sound like you may have a little more experience with bud than i do.........so if i achieved .5g per watt im sure you'll do better.....i had an overcrowded closet with plants to tall only inches from the led, i actually had 6 plants and only got bud from three of them so im sure if my grow was planned a little better my yield may have doubled.......im pretty damn sure your gonna be happy when your grow its all over......i havent heard of any unhappy blackstar users so far.......youll be fine
but on another note if only been vaping the bottome buds for the last couple days and im pretty impressed with the potency.......i had to remind myself that im vaping my own buds.......cant wait to finish curing..............im gonna vape my way through all the bottom buds before i touch the fire og or haze og
DinafemHazeAuto
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TRUST ME JOB WELL DONE BRO..The yeild u loose on LEDS i feel is made up with the way they look and smoke(potency)..Plus we dont have to worry bout heat...
DinafemHazeAuto
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So r just gonna get a small CHM?I was thinking bout having my HPS with 2 blackstars 1 on each side but only running at 300w not at my 600w im running now(dimmeable)..So this way its best of both worlds i think...With CMH dont u have to run a magnetic ballast(there loud)..I might be wrong tho cuz if i could just get a cmh bulb for my quatum ballast and cool tube i would..
kentrugrolights
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let us know what you think of floweing
kentrugrolights
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i ran some 300watt in my flowering room they didnt do as well as the 600watt so i took them out and put in veg room but i have a big room 2 big rooms so it mite be differnt i have no heat
Hudsonvalley82
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Lets not forget that some of those "1 g per LED watt" grows were a bit shady, with short drying times and VERY VERY VERY expensive setups. This is a typical result that I am sure most would see from a novice grow...(myself included in these)...You can't just plug in a light and get 1g/watt, there is always a lot more to the story.
Here's the skinny on LED, for 90% of normal applications you will never out produce HID's with an LED. Hands down never. At least not yet.
With that being said...I mixed my lighting sources. I cant afford to run more than 2 KW at once for privacy purposes. So in your situation, what I would do is ditch the 600W and go with a 400W, and mix the 500W LED with that. 690 Watt draw and you will probably get close to 1000W yields and a VAST improvement in quality. My big poo poo with LED's is that they need to have a more solid veg IMO. They have veg models, and I suppose they work fine, although i haven't seen any in action. The companies w/o veg models are caught between going too far to the veg wavelengths and too far to the flower wavelengths, so there is a small degree of compromise. It's all very strange.
I like to use LED's to max out my wattage potential. I am running a 400w CMH with 423W (240W and 500W) of LED. Total: 823W. Complete spectrum coverage at high levels, with tons of red, and UVB. I feel that this is a good combo. It would not be possible without the LEDs, and without the HID. I'm am fairly certain that I cannot spend 823W more wisely than that (for reasonable expenditure). That is where LED's excel, filling in lost spectra, saving on energy. I think the big mistake was that too many people went all LED instead of exploring the world of combos out there. Hence all the LED + CFL bs you see. CFL's are fine, but its hard to argue with the spectrum saturation and output of HID. 150W HPS will kill a 150W cfl. Although CFL's are cheap initially, I just would hate to spend those watts so inefficiently on CFL's after spending so much on LED's to do just the opposite.
So long story short, LED's are awesome but so is HID, advertising is a bitch, people make shit up, and HID and LED are two different animals, apples and oranges, with two different uses in two different scenarios. It's always going to be a point of contention comparing the two. Its like comparing a Tractor Trailer with a Chevy Volt. Just like HID isn't for everyone, LED's aren't for everyone. Lets also not forget that there are Decades of best practice behind growing with HID, however, LED growing is still in its infancy by comparison.
I Tend to question the PAR ratings on things as I firmly believe that those numbers miss something (although I am not sure what).
I don't think you will be disappointed with 2 500W models, I love mine, it's a lot of money to spend on 12 sqft of foot print each, but hey, no guts no glory. You will see it's potential right away, but unlocking it is something that every grower is chipping away at here. So consider it this way, welcome to the learning curve. I don't think you will see a loss in yield once you get comfortable with it. It's not going to be all of the sudden, but it will be easily achievable with experience.
Here's the skinny on LED, for 90% of normal applications you will never out produce HID's with an LED. Hands down never. At least not yet.
With that being said...I mixed my lighting sources. I cant afford to run more than 2 KW at once for privacy purposes. So in your situation, what I would do is ditch the 600W and go with a 400W, and mix the 500W LED with that. 690 Watt draw and you will probably get close to 1000W yields and a VAST improvement in quality. My big poo poo with LED's is that they need to have a more solid veg IMO. They have veg models, and I suppose they work fine, although i haven't seen any in action. The companies w/o veg models are caught between going too far to the veg wavelengths and too far to the flower wavelengths, so there is a small degree of compromise. It's all very strange.
I like to use LED's to max out my wattage potential. I am running a 400w CMH with 423W (240W and 500W) of LED. Total: 823W. Complete spectrum coverage at high levels, with tons of red, and UVB. I feel that this is a good combo. It would not be possible without the LEDs, and without the HID. I'm am fairly certain that I cannot spend 823W more wisely than that (for reasonable expenditure). That is where LED's excel, filling in lost spectra, saving on energy. I think the big mistake was that too many people went all LED instead of exploring the world of combos out there. Hence all the LED + CFL bs you see. CFL's are fine, but its hard to argue with the spectrum saturation and output of HID. 150W HPS will kill a 150W cfl. Although CFL's are cheap initially, I just would hate to spend those watts so inefficiently on CFL's after spending so much on LED's to do just the opposite.
So long story short, LED's are awesome but so is HID, advertising is a bitch, people make shit up, and HID and LED are two different animals, apples and oranges, with two different uses in two different scenarios. It's always going to be a point of contention comparing the two. Its like comparing a Tractor Trailer with a Chevy Volt. Just like HID isn't for everyone, LED's aren't for everyone. Lets also not forget that there are Decades of best practice behind growing with HID, however, LED growing is still in its infancy by comparison.
I Tend to question the PAR ratings on things as I firmly believe that those numbers miss something (although I am not sure what).
I don't think you will be disappointed with 2 500W models, I love mine, it's a lot of money to spend on 12 sqft of foot print each, but hey, no guts no glory. You will see it's potential right away, but unlocking it is something that every grower is chipping away at here. So consider it this way, welcome to the learning curve. I don't think you will see a loss in yield once you get comfortable with it. It's not going to be all of the sudden, but it will be easily achievable with experience.
Hudsonvalley82
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I have two of the magnetic ballasts for the CMH lights from HTG and they are silent. Even the light sound of the LED fans over power magnetic ballasts...
Hudsonvalley82
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Kush, awesome job on here...I wish my second grow gave me .5g/watt...Kudos for jumping into this thing with such a sense of exploration and faith. I bet that bud is sick too...I look forward to being witness to many more exciting and practical grows from you. This crop was a fantastic example of how most interested parties in LED's are growing. No CO2 and thousands of dollars of lighting and shit, just a manageable sized grow op, some nice LEDs, and some good old sense of adventure. I would recommend most interested growers to view this thread as .5g/W is probably on the better side of the curve when it comes to the general growing population. When you can display to people that with 500 bucks of lights, .266 KW of draw, a working knowledge of growing, and some good seeds, that you can easily achieve .5g/watt without much doubt.
Again, Excellent fucking grow...en fucking joy it!!!!!!!
Again, Excellent fucking grow...en fucking joy it!!!!!!!
DinafemHazeAuto
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Hey hudson thats good to know about CMH i heard that magetic ballast where loud well louder than my digital...I wanna do cmh but for know i will prob just buy 2 blackstar 240w and put 1 on each side of my 600w Quatum ballast cool tube and dimme my ballast down to 300w and with the 2 blackstars it would only be 600 becuz i know 300+260(blackstar) then i have more for my ballast so at 600w it would be the best bang for buck i think too...I also only aim for .5g/w i feel thats realistic and anything over is just bonus..So whats next KUSH?
kush groove
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i was planning on going with the 400watt which is the highest rated cmh i believe....i think all of the people who complain about the sound of led fans and ballasts are probably growing in their bedroom and dont wanna be caught by mom and expected it to be completely silent.....moving air is always gonna be loud no matter what and ballasts generally doing get too loud either from what i know.........my cousin had a room next door to mine in my last place and didnt know i was even growing bud until we were moving out so there not that loud at all
will do, ill be posting pics
thanks alot brother.......i appreciate all your advice and words of widom on my threads
DinafemHazeAuto
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No doubt bro good luck on the next run, what r u planning on doing??