Kali Mist, LED (sort of) grow - Help Needed

This is my first grow and I have severely abused the Kali Mist plants I grew from four seeds, all of which sprouted. Since I put them in flower, on September 18th, they have been under LED lights. About 80 watts of a 120 watt light and 90 watts of an old LED that is mostly blue. They are in earth although I have some cuttings in DWC, at least I think that's what it's called.

I fiddled with trying to upload pictures but I got too frustrated trying to create my album. My photos are probably too large. I need your help so I decided to post my questions anyway.

I ended up with one male and three females. I collected some pollen and seeded one branch of each female then killed the male although I do still have cuttings from it.

The females have buds the largest of which is probably about an inch long, maybe a bit less. They are in gallon and a quarter buckets and the tallest is 3 feet. They were all topped at about 12 inches.

They probably have another 8 or 9 weeks to go in flower. Will they continue gaining in height? If so I will have to tie them down as I only have about another two feet of head space available.

Should I repot them this late in the game or can I keep them in the small buckets even though it will limit their growth a bit? That is, it won't impede the buds too much will it?

I would like to see what the LED alone can do, but I am not sure that I have enough. Should I supplement it with Sun Blaster T5 full spectrum tubes?

Any advice would be much appreciated.

Merci

I figured out my files were way too big so here are some shots for me. The two small shoebox size tubs are rooted clones that I just put into flower yesterday. In a week or two I will switch them into a larger container which will hopefully be aeroponic.

Please don't forget my questions from my first post. I am so anxious.

Should I repot?
Do I need to tie them down?
Do I need to augment the lighting?

Traveling back in time...
KM A and B were placed in paper towels to germinate on May 24th. These were non-feminized seeds purchased at the Montreal Seed Bank. By the next day they had germinated and they sprouted on the 27th. On May 28th I started KM C and D because I was concerned that both A and B could end up males.

By June 20th, this is what I had....

I was happy happy happy

June 27st, uh oh.... much noise on the balcony last night and this morning one of the plants was knocked over. Odd bits of what looks like vomit lying about.

Time to bring them indoors. They couldn't stay outside too long anyway. They would have been noticed eventually.

They are all indoors under an LED light now. It's from Wright Solutions. They were at the indoor garden show in Montreal and after the show I was able to buy a demo unit they had been travelling with. The plants are in order, A, B, C, and D and it is June 29th. They are growing soooo slowly but they look okay. Took some more pictures on July 1st. There are reddish purple pinstripes on the stems in some areas on A and B, especially B. KM - B leaves are curled down and even under. Pretty, but doesn't seem right.

an answer to one of your questions. I've heard that flowering plants do double, triple and even quadruple in size. However despite whatever they do. They do tend to slow down after 2 weeks. They still gain height but they aren't throwing up 3 inches in one night more like half an inch. then eventually they stop and focus primarily on bud development and producing flowers.

Thank-you Keysmachine. Now that you mention it I have noticed them slowing down in height growth the past week or so. back to my saga.....

Also July 1st, I decided to transplant them into larger pots. My photos of them in the new pots are from July 2nd. KM C is looking pretty good. It's darker and healthier looking than the others as you can see in the picture of it next to KM A.

KM B is not looking good. It looks like I took a curling iron to it. None of the others are doing that. It's got a weird spot on it that is lighter in the center and darker brown along the edges. At this point I'm thinking that it's just a reaction to being transplanted. So far growing marijuana has been a cake walk. All four seeds sprouted and growing okay.

So tra la la, not too worrying....so I thought at the time.

P.S.

KM A and B were planted at the same time with A growing much faster. KM C and D were planted a week later and KM C has been the more robust of the two.

The next two days were dreadful. The plants were looking worse and worse and I couldn't figure out what was wrong because the plants were all reacting differently and rapidly declining except for "C". I have "Marijuana Grower's Insider's Guide" by Mel Frank and "Marijuana Garden Saver" by J.C. Stich edited by Ed Rosenthal. I used those guides to do internet searches on various deficiencies and environmental stresses etc. As luck would have it Montreal had just entered into a severe heat wave with high humidity. My appartment reached 104.

KM-A totally looked like nitrogen deficiency. Dead-ringer for the picture in the book. Lower leaves fading to yellow and tan as well as some twisting and an almost papery look to the affected leaves. The plant as a whole was a lightish green.

KM-B Looked like Boron and Iron deficiencies. Beautiful almost neon colours on the leaves. Almost blue-green veins with bright yellow-green leaf. Just like the picture for Iron deficiency. The few spots on upper leaves looked like Boron deficiency.

KM-C Looked like mild nitrogen deficiency but no twisting. Overall was surviving the best.

DM-D looked like Calcium and/or Manganese or Potassium deficiencies. D is the runt of the litter.

The stems were going red on all of them but B was the reddest.

I was FREAKING OUT. How could they all be reacting so differently from one another and in seemingly contradictory ways? Were the red stems typical of Kali Mist or indicative of a problem? Somehow I managed to stumble on a possible culprit. Miracle Gro Enriched soil with Moisture Control (0.18-0.10-0.10). It's the only thing that made any sense and the thread I read suggested repotting with 100% fresh soil and fully rinsed roots.

For some odd reason I didn't keep a picture of KM-D at this stage but there will be more pictures later.



I'm scared. Please don't die. I love you.

I didn't take any of the damaged leaves off when I did the transplanting. On July 5th, the day after transplanting I took these pictures.

KM A


KM B

KM C

And finally KM D

On July 7th I got a picture of all four together.


The positioning is:
BC
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With the exception of being smaller KM D is similar to KM A. They are a similar shade of palish green and both show the signs of nitrogen dificiency. KM D didn't get a twisty leaf like KM A but it may have if I hadn't transplanted.

KM B in the upper left has narrower leaves, the almost neon colouring, and the damage reminiscent of boron deficiency.

KM C is in the upper right corner and looks quite healthy overall.

(Any comments on my questions or on anything else in this belated journal are welcome.)

I should have mentioned that I also sprayed them with:
You see I got lots and lots of samples at that Indoor Garden Show, the same one at which I bought my LED light, of all sorts of fertilizers and more.

This is a picture of the leaves of the leaves I took off the plants. I left some "boron spots" leaves on KM - B and some other mildly affected leaves on the rest of the plants.



This was done on July 9th.

It is now July 12th. I took them outside to get good pictures under natural light. I am going to have to leave for five days because I am going to the Treating Yourself Expo for medical marijuana in Toronto. I stopped fertilizing after having used the foliar spray because I decided I should just leave them alone. I figured it wasn't a bad thing that I was leaving as I should probably just leave them alone and stop changing things. I was gone from I think the 14th to the 20th.


KM A is the biggest and the palest. KM B still has the narrowest looking leaves. B and D both have mixed colour with the lower leaves being more yellowed. KM C isn't the biggest or the fullest but its colour seems the most normal.

Here are some individual side shots in order (ABCD):

KM is 90%sativa and sativas triple at flower i hope you have the room or are prepared to LST or supercrop
good luck

Leaping forward to July 20th. For some reason I didn't take good pictures. I was probably too horrified. On my return from Toronto the ropes I had put in for wick watering were solid green and there was a full layer of green covering the soggy soil. I had used the "go box" fertilizers from General Organics that I had been given at the Montreal Indoor Gardening show. There had been another high humidity heat wave as well. On the up side, they are all alive if not well. I cut off the "wicks" which were 5% cotton or something like that. I scraped the soil off the top of the buckets and replaced it with dry soil. Nothing to do but wait.

Dwezelitsame said:

KM is 90%sativa and sativas triple at flower i hope you have the room or are prepared to LST or supercrop
good luck

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That is a problem that I'm not sure what to do about. How much more growth should I still expect? I put them into 12/12 on October 18th. I am leaning towards keeping them in their current 1.2 gallon pots but I am not absolutely certain so I don't want to tie them down until after I decide for sure against repotting.

Part of me thinks they are beautiful and the buds are going to be great. The other part of me thinks it will be a disastrous harvest of fluffy airy tiny buds.

well sativas do not make rock hard buds like indicas
the stretch is usually first third of flower if i member correctly KM is 70 to 90 days
stretch will be done mostly in 1/3 of that

good luck

I hate being a stranger. Moving right along it is now August 10th. I am feeling somewhat discouraged and inept. I have been growing plants all my life and never had such contrary plants!

I've been continuing light feeding of the products indicated in my General Organics "Go Box". I have so many different samples you have no idea. I ended up using the General Organics because it's a complete sample set and has a feeding schedule. I was using BioThrive Grow, CaMg+, Bio Root, and BioWeed for veg (and still do). No folier feeding as I realized I had to stop changing conditions and just let them be. I really want to try all the other samples too but it will just have to wait. So here we have a couple of group shots:



They are in order, A, B, C and D. A, as usual, is the show-off. Notice that A is in a slightly larger pot and the others are identified by colour. Blue peg for B, Green for C, and Pink for D. B seems so much smaller than the others, and it is, but the distance between nodes at the bottom is smaller too. Still, C and D are both larger and were planted later than B. D is particularly impressive as it was the runt of the litter. Except for C, colour seems better for all the plants. But <sigh> all is not well. WTF is this? (excuse my language but really, enough is enough).



There are little flies about, only one or two, but it seems I am in desperate need of neem oil. Almost equally frustrating, take a look at a close up of C.


C is just plain contrary. If everyone else is doing poorly, C is happy, now that everyone else is doing okay if not great, C has decided to go into severe decline. It has gone from being the best looking to the worst looking. I started researching to see what could be wrong with it and did see a few things it could be but I didn't change anything because it would be too complicated to treat just C differently when they are all the same strain. So I just stayed with the same regime for everyone.

Next, the red stems. I didn't know if red stems was normal for Kali Mist or not and I couldn't find anything on the web. In hindsight, it's just as well. What got me curious is that A, C and D were basically green with strong red pinstripes. B was mainly red with green pinstripes.



Plus, shouldn't they be showing sex through pre-flowers by now? I really want those to be preflowers but I know they aren't.

Thanks for the encouragement Dwezel. I want to get my "sort of" journal up to date but I am also making a Queen of Hearts costume for my grown daughter. It's quite elaborate so my sewing machine is going double time. It won't be exactly like in the movie but it will be equally elaborate.

August 11th, I realize that I have to top the plants. They are way too tall and not branching out so I am not getting cuttings.

I only took a little off the top because the plants have been through so much that the tops are the healthiest part.

Now back to sewing.

KM is not a bush plant just straight up km does not branch much at all does not make a lot of leaves either is good bud i like its smell and taste
i would go with a little larger pot though if i were you at i would use a 5 for km but a 2 1/2 or 3 is good
not sure on KM and topping i have tried supercrop and LST on them
is this yo first km grow
good luck