JigFresh's Grow #2 : Vertical Scrog - closet diy dwc - 650w - Headband + Casey Jones

Damn... who the hell let all these people in here? I love it... All are welcome. This story might not end the way you think it will.... but it's going to be good from start to finish.

So... I had jury duty today. First time I've actually gone. Before I was always a student, so I got out of it. They broke us up into 3 groups and quickly dismissed one group. 10 minutes later they dismissed the second group. A couple hours later, the judge that was going to preside over our trial told us the issue ha been resolved (guess they pleaded). So we got to go home as well. I asked the baliff and apparently that doesn't happen much. Usually you have to go to court for a bit even if you aren't seated.

Anyways, there is a reason I share the story... I had a few hours with nothing to do except read a book and draw on my notepand, and since I seem to be allergic to reading books the past few years, I designed more of the grow room.

I got to thinking about the plants, and making a mj plant grow to be the shape I want is just so far from natural it got me worried a bit. So I though about using less plants and it dawned on me (is that the right word?) that it would take the same amount of time to get 2 plants 4.5 feet tall as it would 4 plants that tall... and the 2 plants would fill the area just as much. The 4 would be killing themselves to get more space, and I would be trimming the hell out of them to get them shaped right. So, I'm thinking now of going with 2 BIG plants, 2 screens, 2 dwc's.

This would give more floor space, and make for half the water tight connections. Gypsy reminded me that all those fittings on all those buckets are just asking for a leak somewhere... and I agree. Thanks GB. Also along the leaking front I beleive I'm going to use the square buckets, becuase all the fittings I would make would be on a 'flat' wall of the square container, instead of a curved wall of a round container.

I was also thinking that just doing one strain would make things more simple.... BUT that is just simply NO FUN. So I am still going with the Casey Jones and Headband.

Here's where it gets interesting (as if things are tame up til now). I was thinking about the kind of reflector I would use and where it would be. I figured it would have to be mouned on the door and be shapped like a gull. However looking at my drawings it seems like the light that is aimed at the door will be wasted for the most part. Even if I have a reflector, the light bouncing off it would have to travel almost twice as far to reach any plant (as the rest of the light hitting the plants strait on). I'm not sure where exactly the idea came from but I'm thinkng of Germinating a few of my 'Trinity Rainbor Purple" seeds and trying my hand at SOIL.

That's right. I beleive the 2 site dwc scrog closet will also be a 4 site basic soil grow. I was thinking of hanging the pots on the door so that when the door is closed there will be plants totally encircling the tower of light.

I still need to work out the timing so they can flower together. My vacation in October is really messing everything up. Damn vacations... I have plants to grow, haha.

I'll ba back later today I think with some more idea's and some drawings I made.

Here are a couple picks of the hash I made two days ago... and the hash I'm making right now. All gumby method. The cube is Purple Kush... the bottled stuff is Hindu Skunk + White Widow.

Thanks again for all your interest. I hope I don't drive you all crazy with the wait/ build up. I'm going a bit crazy myself.

I did go by Home Depot on the way home to get the construction moving again.

NewGrowth said:

So is is a vertical or a stadium with scrog? I'm confused so I figured I would subscribe to this one. I've got a vertical coco-coir set-up myself.

I'll fire this up and take a seat.

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I'm confused too bro. Sorta figuring it out as we go. Also not sure what to call it. There will be two screens standing strait up, but curved around the light... a vetical tube, sorta. I guess I'm thinking of adding actually vertical stadium seating... or rather a hanging mini 4 plant bleachers if you will.

I'll take a look at what you have going on. See if I can take any ideas.

jigfresh said:

I'm confused too bro. Sorta figuring it out as we go. Also not sure what to call it. There will be two screens standing strait up, but curved around the light... a vetical tube, sorta. I guess I'm thinking of adding actually vertical stadium seating... or rather a hanging mini 4 plant bleachers if you will.

I'll take a look at what you have going on. See if I can take any ideas.

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For sure bro, I'm always looking for ideas myself. The vertical stuff is at the end of my thread. I might hang some horti-trellis in front of the shelves or use bamboo to support the weight of the buds hanging off the shelves.

A 45 degree angle on the shelves seems to hold them perfectly off the wall.

Ok time to get super baked and go work out, I'll be following along!

AH! SO MANY PEOPLE!!! JIG YOU'RE SO POPULAR MAN!

We'll be watching.

hey Im a new grower, Im currently growing with one 75 watt grow light. Im in flowering do i need more lights? also could you help me with finding places around mass to find the ph testers, something to test humity? I have a closet grow which ranges from: spring months-60low to 75 high. summer -75low to 90-100 high winter gets to about 55 without heater. how could i keep my but growing year round?

Yo Jig,

Everything is sounding good. Sweet deal on the square buckets, they make all shapes and sizes at that site so you could potentially get taller thinner square buckets that have a smaller foot print if you're worried about floor space. Remember that the reason for the square buckets in the first place is to get a larger volume of reservoir in the same foot print as a round bucket.

Also on the flat surface point thats a good choice. However you could simply just make them all pressure fittings and never have to worry about it at all. No sealant and no plastic fitting therefore now leak. All you need to do is carefully drill a hole smaller in diameter than the tubing that you are using and force the hose though. The natural resilience of the material will do the rest.

The way you described the net pots is a good solution, simpler than the union valve that i have, just make sure the holes that you make for the pots are very precise and smooth so that you eliminate the chance of the pot catching an edge and not turning smoothly. Something else to note is that when the screen gets heavier it may get harder to spin around with this solution. Which is why i opted for the valve, it always spun smoothly no matter how much weight i put on it. Also remember the lids and buckets are made of thin plastic so plan according when you choose the materials to construct the screen out of... rebar seems like it could potentially get heavy.

Lastly on the training, i have no freaking clue. I'm currently trying to devise a solution to a similar dilemma involving thin screen dimensions. I was thinking that i could just spread the main stem across the top of my screen and then train the new side shoots that sprout down the screen to the bottom in a straight line while simultaneously spreading the main stem down the side once it reached the edge. While continuing to think about it growing i was intending on spreading out each new side shoot's new growth parallel to is corresponding main stem. I figure this will give me an upside down bar graph until all of the shoots start hitting the bottom of the screen then just try to use whats there to fill the shrinking hole. Also to make this more relevant to your screen just take everything i said and turn it upside down because my plants will be started training into the top of my screen where as yours will start at the bottom. Now i know all of this sounds confusing but i will include pictures as soon as i find those sketches.

So yea man we're really screwin with the plants bad, i always think of the 6 legged chickens or the ones with breasts so big they can't even stand when i think about growing this way. I'm still unsure of the whole morality of it all.

Anyway i doubt you'll need a reflector your door is white right? and your curving your screen to completely encapsulate all the direct light that you can. The only thing better would be 360 degrees of screen (where i'm headed). If you're really worried just get some mylar and back the door with it. If you want to figure out the physics about how the light travels i could help you do it but i think it would be a waste of time. Just think of it this way with your last ScrOG you weren't using any more than 50% of your potential DIRECT light and a fair amount of reflected light where as now you will most definitely be using 60-70% of your DIRECT light and having only a small amount of reflected light.

Alright thats all i got. I hope you don't mind these infrequent yet lengthy visits of mine. Sucks about jury duty its good that you got some work done though.

Hope all is well, later.

P.S. NewGrowth,

Good to see you again, it's been awhile. I doubt you remember me, but you were the first helpful person i spoke to on this site and i whole heartedly appreciate it. You gave me my first +rep and wanted to thank you again.

Jig you're getting some good attention here; you know you're doing well when you get a crowd like this. Well, just don't let all the fame go to your head haha.

jigfresh said:

This would give more floor space, and make for half the water tight connections. Gypsy reminded me that all those fittings on all those buckets are just asking for a leak somewhere... and I agree. Thanks GB. Also along the leaking front I beleive I'm going to use the square buckets, becuase all the fittings I would make would be on a 'flat' wall of the square container, instead of a curved wall of a round container.

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Hey man i have been looking for it i know you already might know about it just i found it and started doing almost the same thing to all my water res ( to my aero 2 gallon and the 5 gallon ebbaflow have a water gauge with a shutoff to empty it, i am loving it mmm just making sure not leaks filling them all up leaving them sit for days) i got these Grommets with a little bit of silicone around the hole is working great, i just wish i could have found a better shutoff valve went to a few homedepots got the big heavy duty 1/2 pvc one grrr ohwell

good luck man your definitely in the doctor stadium now, one question whys the heart out of the patient ?

hey jig, how it going. i was just wondering where you got the glass for your cool tubes, if you did buy them seperately from the lights. also, thanks for helping me out on my thread i really appreciate it.

jact55 said:

hey jig, how it going. i was just wondering where you got the glass for your cool tubes, if you did buy them seperately from the lights. also, thanks for helping me out on my thread i really appreciate it.

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you can get them at michaels arts and craft store

or you can get them at this store, tried looking up a link for micheals but couldnt find the glass on there web page

Hurricane glass

thanks hulk nugs. i searched micheals a couple days ago and didnt find them either. i guess that i am gonna have to drive to one in hopes. thanks.

Michael's should have them, that is where I purchased my Hurricane glass tube

Well do a search online yellow pages find one call them up say you have to replace your candel glass, and have them look unless you dont mind driving. Every time i went to michaels they had them so i think you will have good luck getting what you need.

I put a lot of work into my light and I also put some work into the write up. Here is the whole damn story. Shout out to RIU member Tronica for the idea in the first place. He started the thread... I made the following post:

https://www.rollitup.org/do-yourself/161300-batwing-reflector-cool-tube-40-a-2.html#post2315758

Hey guys... I went to Home Depot and got some equipment/ supplies. I think I told you I picked up the stuff to hang my fan with on jury duty day... along with some rigid 6" ducting to go through my roof.

Ok side question... do you think I'm nuts for cutting big holes in my roof considering it snows maybe 10 feet a year here and the roof in question is on about a 10 degree angle (meaning almost flat)? I do a little bit, but think it will be ok.

Anyways, got the fan stuff... and yesterday I picked up my irrgation supplies. Meaning the tubes and fittings I will use to drain the buckets, supplement with extra rez, and measure the liquid level. I also bought my new screen (9' x 2' - 2" x 2" squares). All that cost $47. The fan stuff was $12. So about $60 so far. All that is left is to order the buckets, order the light bulbs, and buy the plants.

WOOO HOOO.

The buckets I'm using will be 6.5 gal capacity, square: LINK. I am also in the market for a new 250 MH bulb and a new 400 MH conversion bulb. Think I will buy them at 1000bulbs.com. It should be about $55 delivered.

I think there has been other developments, but I don't remember right now.

Oh yeah... I bought a drill powered water pump.

I remembered... in the past few days I have made my Purple Kush hash (3 grams), and the last of my Hindu Skunk & White Widow hash. I had the HS/WW in the freezer for the past couple months. Got 3 grams off that too. The cube in my hand is the PK... the stuff on in the bottom of the glass is the HS/WW.

wow you've been a busy person. thanks for the link to the diy cool tube. i am going to use that as a model, adapting it to work with my hood. i will let you know how it goes.
i am drooling over the hash.

sounds like you got the plan in your head, cant wait tell you get your buckets then we will see some crazy shit. theres grommets in the electrical section at homedepot, if you wanted to us. them took me a while to find those suckers.

I just got a 400watMH at that site you hooked me up with, http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/

cant wait tell it comes, few more weeks and i might be able to start growing agian

EDIT: Shit totaly forgot about the snow. One question why are you making a new hole ?? dont you already have one !! ? But i am not really sure what your worried about with the snow, do you think it will be to much weight ?? or to wet ??...... if to much wieght you think, every once in a while remove some of the snow from on top of the roof......if you wet just make sure you use some henrys roofing tar from homedepot around the airvents and you will be fine. aww you luck shit bears, snow, mountians, well it all goes together but cant wait tell i move wooo hoo.

Screen looks perfect. Do a little smoke stack set-up with an air diffuser on top and i don't think you'll have to worry too much about the snow. Congrats on the buckets and everything else. I'm itchin' for more build picks already . keep up the good work.

Man... you really have to cut a hole on the roof???

No way to do it on the side? on a wall?

I hate to be a party pooper but leaks are as big a concern as the the weight load...

Do it near a strong rafter and you should be ok... but damn.. I hate poking holes on top of the house... especially with the snow... but it can be done... a lot of us do have chimneys...

lookin good man. I hope the vertical grow goes well. I wish I could grow at all up here we are so dry right now. Nothing around but poopy pot. Well I hope calis treatin yah well. This is the first night Ive been able to walk around with just a tshirt on. Yay northern minnesota.

Allthough we had a crazy thunder storm last night that was amazing. You guys dont get many of those.