It's All Bullsh*t

jewgrow

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i have been trying to LIMIT my growth for the past 3 years. i have no idea why i would want or need to do any better.

there comes a point where you can simply sit back and put your feet up. that's when i go fishing. ;)
Hm, how much did you yield with that big girl from the start of the forum? You know it is not always about just doing necessarily a bigger yield or more resin production that improves your growing. Sure you can grow your plants great and big and keep on doing the same thing, but that is in effect monoculture. Now the thing with monoculture is that you create a perfect environment for pests. While cannabis has a relatively low amount of pest problems, they are not impervious to everything. So even though you are growing great plants right now I think you should look down the road a little bit. Just trying to be helpful here. By limit growth you mean your yield? Or height of plant? THC or CBD levels? You know that genetics can solve the majority of those problems, or simple training for the height problem. I know that there is always room for improvement, I can't fathom how you could disagree with that. Maybe fishing is your main hobby, and worm castings would actually feed that hobby as well! Its all about sustainability...
 

boneheadbob

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Yea Fade

Just think how bodacious your buds would be if if you looked down the road a little bit.

Time to wake up and smell the salt in the gitzit :hump:
 

Dan Kone

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Hm, how much did you yield with that big girl from the start of the forum? You know it is not always about just doing necessarily a bigger yield or more resin production that improves your growing. Sure you can grow your plants great and big and keep on doing the same thing, but that is in effect monoculture. Now the thing with monoculture is that you create a perfect environment for pests. While cannabis has a relatively low amount of pest problems, they are not impervious to everything. So even though you are growing great plants right now I think you should look down the road a little bit. Just trying to be helpful here. By limit growth you mean your yield? Or height of plant? THC or CBD levels? You know that genetics can solve the majority of those problems, or simple training for the height problem. I know that there is always room for improvement, I can't fathom how you could disagree with that. Maybe fishing is your main hobby, and worm castings would actually feed that hobby as well! Its all about sustainability...
Why would he want to fix a system that isn't broken? His plants don't look malnourished, no reason to further fertilize. Why would worm castings or any other fertilizers give plants that are already in good nutritional health more resin production?
 

fdd2blk

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Hm, how much did you yield with that big girl from the start of the forum? You know it is not always about just doing necessarily a bigger yield or more resin production that improves your growing. Sure you can grow your plants great and big and keep on doing the same thing, but that is in effect monoculture. Now the thing with monoculture is that you create a perfect environment for pests. While cannabis has a relatively low amount of pest problems, they are not impervious to everything. So even though you are growing great plants right now I think you should look down the road a little bit. Just trying to be helpful here. By limit growth you mean your yield? Or height of plant? THC or CBD levels? You know that genetics can solve the majority of those problems, or simple training for the height problem. I know that there is always room for improvement, I can't fathom how you could disagree with that. Maybe fishing is your main hobby, and worm castings would actually feed that hobby as well! Its all about sustainability...


oh, you're one of those people. :roll:
 

jewgrow

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Why would he want to fix a system that isn't broken? His plants don't look malnourished, no reason to further fertilize. Why would worm castings or any other fertilizers give plants that are already in good nutritional health more resin production?
1. I am not saying his system is broken.
2. He would be feeding the beneficial microbes in his soil.
3. I never said castings or fertilizer would increase resin production; I was referring that most of the attributes people give to their fertilizers, is actually all breeding. So to limit growth he could use a strain that limited whatever he was trying to limit. Resin production, height of plant, branching, yield, etc. This is all strain dependent

What the casting teas do is feed the soil. Instead of a bunch of botrytis living in the area, it will have to compete with the microbes that live there. Just one example of how beneficial these teas are.

Well, with all that said, I now invite the people who disagree with me to be vain. FDD grows 100% perfect plants. There is nothing he can do to improve any aspect of his hobby. Are you glad you hit that wall? I don't think you could ever actually have a problem with your plants, because your ways are so perfect. Anybody that wants to get into growing, buy exactly what fdd has and you will get the same exact results! Growing plants can be perfected, and the key is all right here!!!!!
 

fdd2blk

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1. I am not saying his system is broken.
2. He would be feeding the beneficial microbes in his soil.
3. I never said castings or fertilizer would increase resin production; I was referring that most of the attributes people give to their fertilizers, is actually all breeding. So to limit growth he could use a strain that limited whatever he was trying to limit. Resin production, height of plant, branching, yield, etc. This is all strain dependent

What the casting teas do is feed the soil. Instead of a bunch of botrytis living in the area, it will have to compete with the microbes that live there. Just one example of how beneficial these teas are.

Well, with all that said, I now invite the people who disagree with me to be vain. FDD grows 100% perfect plants. There is nothing he can do to improve any aspect of his hobby. Are you glad you hit that wall? I don't think you could ever actually have a problem with your plants, because your ways are so perfect. Anybody that wants to get into growing, buy exactly what fdd has and you will get the same exact results! Growing plants can be perfected, and the key is all right here!!!!!
i have hit NO wall, i am in my happy place. :) :cool:

I am happy with MY garden. it is MY garden to do with as I desire. i chose to come here to share MY results. what you do with those results is simply up to YOU. i have never claimed to be anything other then ME.

why is it so important for YOU to improve MY garden? :?
 

Dan Kone

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1. I am not saying his system is broken.
So then why fix it?

2. He would be feeding the beneficial microbes in his soil.
If his plants are already healthy, why keep adding stuff?

What the casting teas do is feed the soil. Instead of a bunch of botrytis living in the area, it will have to compete with the microbes that live there. Just one example of how beneficial these teas are.
I'm aware of what they do. I use them. But if he doesn't have botrytis living in his soil, then isn't that fixing a problem that doesn't exist?

Well, with all that said, I now invite the people who disagree with me to be vain.
Says the guy trying to fix something that doesn't need fixing because he considers his own system to be "the way it's done".

FDD grows 100% perfect plants. There is nothing he can do to improve any aspect of his hobby
Improving your grow isn't about how much stuff you can poor into your soil necessarily. There are still always things you can do to make your grow better. Growing good bud isn't just about what you feed your plants.

Sure, he could spend more money on soil additives, but besides fixing problems that don't exist, what is that really going to do to make it "better"?

The idea that you can take perfectly healthy plants and make them even more healthy by adding more stuff to the soil is flawed logic. If you're body is protein deficient, you can eat a steak and replenish your bodies protein supply. But if you eat 30 steaks that's not going to give you more of a health benefit than eating one steak. You need a certain amount of protein and that's it. Same with plants. If your plants already have the necessary amount of nutrients they need they don't become more healthy by adding stuff. Worm castings won't kill a bacteria that already doesn't exist.

At a certain point all you're doing is wasting money. If your plants are healthy doing what you're already doing you're not going to make them more healthy by adding more stuff.

Are you glad you hit that wall?
What about his grow leads you to believe he's hit a wall due to lack of soil amending?

This is the mentality that makes this thread necessary. The idea that you can always make your grow better if you keep adding more and more crap to it is just a myth creating by people who want to sell you more products.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying worm castings never provide a benefit. I'm saying don't buy more crap than you need. If your plants are in ideal health without them, spending more money on stuff to dump into your soil isn't going to make them more healthy.

Growing is about making plants as happy as possible. If they need worm castings or some nutrient to be happy, then give it to them. If your plants are already happy then just kick back and let them be happy.
 

jewgrow

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Sorry I came here to give some suggestions, but all I got was a bunch of vain feedback. Please don't twist my words any more that you have.
 

Dan Kone

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Sorry I came here to give some suggestions, but all I got was a bunch of vain feedback. Please don't twist my words any more that you have.
No need to be sorry. Your opinion is just as valid as anyone elses. Not trying to hate on you. I'm not saying you don't know what you're doing or anything. I'm sure you've got your own system that works great for you. Much of what you're describing I do as well, so the point wasn't that the way you do things is necessarily wrong.

I was just trying to address the tendency a lot of people have to keep tinkering with something that is working fine and the myth that things always can be made better by throwing down more money on another fertilizer/nutrient/additive/hydro product. It just doesn't work that way.

Once you've got a soil or nutrient mix to the point where plants are healthy, it's best to focus on improving other variables in your grow. Plant nutrition is only one part of growing out of many. Advertising drills it into our heads that it's the most important thing, but it's really not. Once your plants are in nutritional good health consistently, you're better off looking for other things to improve.
 

wayno30

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jewgrow....................when i plant outside i dig a hole i bust the dirt up w my shovel i push the dirt back in plant my clone and walk away till the middle of july when i pour a gallon of miracle grow water around it pull a few weeds and walk away again i come back and pick before duck season................nuthin to it..............i read this thread while back and i kinda thought simplicity was the point..........making suggestions to a guy growing plants the size of a house seems kind of vain to me.........but i could have it all wrong
 

jewgrow

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Once you've got a soil or nutrient mix to the point where plants are healthy, it's best to focus on improving other variables in your grow. Plant nutrition is only one part of growing out of many. Advertising drills it into our heads that it's the most important thing, but it's really not. Once your plants are in nutritional good health consistently, you're better off looking for other things to improve.
This is exactly the point what I am trying to get across. You are debating facts that I already agree with, maybe I am not being clear enough. The teas would not necessarily mean costing more money. Worm castings are quite sustainable. You run them with your trash. I am not saying his plant nutrition is insufficient; quite the contrary. But with any monoculture, problems will arise one day. And taking some avoidance now will pay for countless hours wasted later. Most of the people here are all for organics, and truly, why bother throwing in an 'organic' fertilizer at all if you want the garden to be natural. At that rate, why not just use chemical fertilizers. Life is a system, just like growing is a system. It needs something to sustain it, and the worst thing to use is money.
 

fdd2blk

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This is exactly the point what I am trying to get across. You are debating facts that I already agree with, maybe I am not being clear enough. The teas would not necessarily mean costing more money. Worm castings are quite sustainable. You run them with your trash. I am not saying his plant nutrition is insufficient; quite the contrary. But with any monoculture, problems will arise one day. And taking some avoidance now will pay for countless hours wasted later. Most of the people here are all for organics, and truly, why bother throwing in an 'organic' fertilizer at all if you want the garden to be natural. At that rate, why not just use chemical fertilizers. Life is a system, just like growing is a system. It needs something to sustain it, and the worst thing to use is money.


you are arguing with someone else about MY garden, still.

pretty funny stuff. :)
 

jewgrow

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you are arguing with someone else about MY garden, still.

pretty funny stuff. :)
Using your garden as an example, yes. If you don't want to exchange ideas in a forum about your garden, then don't post about your garden....a lot of people are looking up to you as if your garden is perfect, and you are not disapproving that idea when you should be. There is always, always, always better. I really don't care if you listen to me, you obviously do not need to. But don't give out the idea that it is a one two process, pour in some fertilizer and go. There is much more to it than that.
 

fdd2blk

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Using your garden as an example, yes. If you don't want to exchange ideas in a forum about your garden, then don't post about your garden....a lot of people are looking up to you as if your garden is perfect, and you are not disapproving that idea when you should be. There is always, always, always better. I really don't care if you listen to me, you obviously do not need to. But don't give out the idea that it is a one two process, pour in some fertilizer and go. There is much more to it than that.
you should start a thread. :)
 

Dan Kone

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But don't give out the idea that it is a one two process, pour in some fertilizer and go. There is much more to it than that.
Sure, but growing is a lot more than just what you're feeding your plants. Sure, that's a part of it, but IMO it's a very small part. You can grow damn good bud with a very basic uncomplicated nutrient system.
 

Dan Kone

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Hey Dan how did the Azos work out let me know. dirrtyd
It seemed to work out pretty good. All plants got at least 15 feet even with the blight epidemic. I've actually given plants slight nutrient burn and nitrogen overdoes before. I didn't even know that was a possibility with biologicials that have no n-p-k content out of the package. So it's definitely strong stuff. I highly recommend it.
 
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