It's A Fuct World
- Thread starter Al B. Fuct
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Im not Al apparently
but i have tired this before and the sacrifice in yield was horrible. Plants didnt have enough time to get to big :/ got like 2-4gram per plant going from 28-40gs per plants 
Hi!
Nice to meet you Al(l)
I know that star of this post, maybe even of all forum got a family problems. I wish you and your family the best.
It is my first post but i have a little bit (really little) expirience with growing tomatoes,but not with hydro and perpetual.
Al you've inspired me. Im trying to copy yours OP in this same scale. I've already studied almost half of your posts and i got some notes. Anybody has something to add? Am I forgot about something? Al, I count on your answer while you can do that
That is my think-tank:
I also think about replace inside ionizer with carbon filter (what size? and what size of blower? L1 750 m³/h 200mm 8" will be ok?)
From where to take fresh air(except windows)?
If i got a space, then a little of veg (1-2weeks) will increase yieald either like Al said can do nothing because without veg it better suits to HPS light pattern?
Thanks in advance,
Swiezyy
Nice to meet you Al(l)
I know that star of this post, maybe even of all forum got a family problems. I wish you and your family the best.It is my first post but i have a little bit (really little) expirience with growing tomatoes,but not with hydro and perpetual.
Al you've inspired me. Im trying to copy yours OP in this same scale. I've already studied almost half of your posts and i got some notes. Anybody has something to add? Am I forgot about something? Al, I count on your answer while you can do that
That is my think-tank:
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Motherz
-Tray can be 250x800 , rockwool floc 50mm flood 1x day
-Plants grown from seed need 6-8 weeks to sexual maturity.
-400 HPS , 24 hrs
-Canna Aqua Vega, 1400ppm, 5.8, also H2O2 every 3-4days (50l tank)
-‘Tip’ some growth to force division just after bringing it from clonebox. Do it for first 3 weeks, afther that - they are ready for taking cuttings.
Take 15 days to re-grow-so 4-5 Momz need are really 8-10, (4-5 replacements)
-After 3-4 parts of cuttings (each part 30cuttings ;about 2 mos worth) discard and replace, ready in about 2 weeks.
-exhaust blower 250CFM
Clonez
-RW mini cubes 40mm?? flood 2x/day to 1/3 of cube for 2-3 sec (once flooded should keep 1/4-1/3 of water after 24h)
-Rooting takes 10-12 days
-No grow nutes added to clone watering mixture.
-pH correct with phosphoric acid 'pHDown' to 5.8 and add 10ml 50% grade H2O2 per 10L of clone watering sol.
-FLUOROS 4*24W 10-12 days, then put in BLOOM
-24 hr light EXCEPT for 1st cutting (1 night dark, next few 18/6)
-small desktop fan
-heating mat
Flower
Every tray is 900x900 (820x820mm -inside), pots 175mm(4l) Fytocell with 50mm med packed rockwool in the bottom , 23-24 plants, flood to 150mm 2x/day (light on)
All flowering tanks:
-get Canna Aqua Flores, 1000-1100ppm @ 5.8 (125L tank , 5l/plant).
-get dosed with H2O2, 50% grade @ 1ml/litre every 3-4 days to control pathogens.
-1000 HPS @ 12/12
-tray 2 is for week 2-4 (TRIM time!-once at the end of week 2 and 4)
-after every 2 weeks put shortest plants nearest light
-oscillating circ fans in every corner of the flowering area
-sulfur burner. 2x/day for 8 minutes during lights off. It runs about an hour after lights-off and about an hour before lights-on
-exhaust blower >600CFM with thermostat
-intake blower 250CFM
Clean trays and rez every 2 weeks
min. 7' tall x 8' wide x 9' long space needed
Don't overwater nor overfertilize, keep your room at 24-26C @ 30-50% RH
and a fluorsescent UV ioniser (with light trap) which runs 30min on/30min off all hours- keeps scent and mould well in check. A second ioniser in the area outside the room istelf guarantees no stray scents escape.
cooltubes with adjust-a-wingsFrom where to take fresh air(except windows)?
If i got a space, then a little of veg (1-2weeks) will increase yieald either like Al said can do nothing because without veg it better suits to HPS light pattern?
Thanks in advance,
Swiezyy
D3mon
Active Member
I have been working out some self induced kinks from my perpetual grow based off your harvest every 2 weeks, which I too cannot thank you enough for. Your batch of clones thread has allowed me to clone with 100% success every 2 weeks for the past year! With that said I would like to post my recent experience using the Lucas Formula and GH Flora series and see if anyone can relate. I have no good excuse for trying the lucas formula instead of using GH's recommendations, I too reject the magic sauces and such but I guess I fell off the wagon for a minute...
3x3 flood tray with lid, 6" net pots, 1.5" RW cubes buried in hydroton, flooding every 2 hours even at night (mum table shares timer for now), 600 HPS with a 32x26 air cooled reflector (400 MH over mums). Current max air temp is 81f and min is 63f humidity around 20-30% max. 27 gallon res, 1100-1200 ppm of micro/bloom (after reading this I will drop to 1000-1100).
I cut my clones at 10" similar to Al, they root in 10-12 days like clockwork. For the past 3 harvests I have had erratic plant heights. I had 3 strains, 2 indica dom and a sativa mix. The indica dom strains all went from about 9" to 20-24" during flower, which when missing the lower 1/3 ends up with one mediocre bud about 6" long and the sativa mix may have went as high as 28" tall but long internode spacing as I expected (I no longer clone this strain).
I just switched my mums back over to 1-1-1 ratio of grow/micro/bloom. Does anyone think that using the lucas formula could be the cause of such short plants? Am I expecting too much for the plant to go from 10" to 30" when put under 12/12 after the clones root well?
I have also stopped pruning the plants at all, where before I was trimming them in week 3 and 4. I had thought perhaps I was stressing/stunting them by doing this so late that the plant stops growing in length and starts budding as a natural response? I must stay within my legal plant numbers, so I can let them branch out a bit, i'd say I run about 1.5-2 plants per square foot
I also wondered about the low air temps at night, since I didn't really start to notice how short they were staying until winter arrived. But at the same time its not like I have a good baseline height to begin with, I just started a log on starting/ending heights. I know 63f is not TOO cold, but is it cold enough to perhaps slow growth like this? It also seems that more trichs appear sooner, say around week 3...
I am taking bigger clones now, fat stems and 12" tall or so. I am going to buy a small radiant heater to keep the night temps close to 72.
I usually just lurk, but i happened to see this new thread and thought I would see what others have experienced.
Thanks!
3x3 flood tray with lid, 6" net pots, 1.5" RW cubes buried in hydroton, flooding every 2 hours even at night (mum table shares timer for now), 600 HPS with a 32x26 air cooled reflector (400 MH over mums). Current max air temp is 81f and min is 63f humidity around 20-30% max. 27 gallon res, 1100-1200 ppm of micro/bloom (after reading this I will drop to 1000-1100).
I cut my clones at 10" similar to Al, they root in 10-12 days like clockwork. For the past 3 harvests I have had erratic plant heights. I had 3 strains, 2 indica dom and a sativa mix. The indica dom strains all went from about 9" to 20-24" during flower, which when missing the lower 1/3 ends up with one mediocre bud about 6" long and the sativa mix may have went as high as 28" tall but long internode spacing as I expected (I no longer clone this strain).
I just switched my mums back over to 1-1-1 ratio of grow/micro/bloom. Does anyone think that using the lucas formula could be the cause of such short plants? Am I expecting too much for the plant to go from 10" to 30" when put under 12/12 after the clones root well?
I have also stopped pruning the plants at all, where before I was trimming them in week 3 and 4. I had thought perhaps I was stressing/stunting them by doing this so late that the plant stops growing in length and starts budding as a natural response? I must stay within my legal plant numbers, so I can let them branch out a bit, i'd say I run about 1.5-2 plants per square foot
I also wondered about the low air temps at night, since I didn't really start to notice how short they were staying until winter arrived. But at the same time its not like I have a good baseline height to begin with, I just started a log on starting/ending heights. I know 63f is not TOO cold, but is it cold enough to perhaps slow growth like this? It also seems that more trichs appear sooner, say around week 3...
I am taking bigger clones now, fat stems and 12" tall or so. I am going to buy a small radiant heater to keep the night temps close to 72.
I usually just lurk, but i happened to see this new thread and thought I would see what others have experienced.
Thanks!
flamdrags420
Well-Known Member
Nice post I hope to learn from this one
mindphuk
Well-Known Member
What are the two strains you kept? Sometimes it's just a genetics thing, you might be getting the most out of these particular strains with your particular setup. Are you running cool tubes? How close is the light? 1000w lamp would also help. A space heater during lights off should be helpful. Colder temperatures do indeed slow down metabolism.
D3mon
Active Member
The 2 strains I have are supposed to be Permafrost and Blue Thunder, and when I first started growing the strains I could pull 1.5-2oz off each plant. During the summer I actually had one hit 2.25oz with very little pruning (plant was about 38" tall which is my max) That plant grew with the net pot sitting right on the floor of the tray, roots exposed to light and light algea all over. These last few batches have been less than 1/2oz a plant, but I have also taken on a MM patient so I have a few more plants in the bunch than I did back then (more per sq ft)...
Also I should mention that I take clones of clones for flowering and new mums (up to at least 15 crops like this), I have recently added bubblelicious and bubblegum kush clones that grew from seeds via Nirvana and have yet to see how they grow. Currently they are both at week 3 of flower and 16" tall, hopefully they have a growth spurt but I'm already a little discouraged.
Trial and error is a bitch when you only get 2 chances a month to make changes!
Also I should mention that I take clones of clones for flowering and new mums (up to at least 15 crops like this), I have recently added bubblelicious and bubblegum kush clones that grew from seeds via Nirvana and have yet to see how they grow. Currently they are both at week 3 of flower and 16" tall, hopefully they have a growth spurt but I'm already a little discouraged.
Trial and error is a bitch when you only get 2 chances a month to make changes!
jojodancer10
Well-Known Member
lol i dont know what i was thinkin but i was smoking. my last grow i stressed one plant and got seeds from her. she was a bubba kush, i germ the seeds and the grow out to be nice. my question is how can i tell if its a male or female? i always buy femseeds. any help?
mindphuk
Well-Known Member
A selfed plant is not identical to the mother. Yes the genes will all be from the mother but the genome will be different. These are still haploid cells joining to create a new genotype and phenotype that is different than the original. There will be less diversity than a male-female pairing but they will not be genetically identical like a clone is.
medicine21
Active Member
I'd love to learn from this too, as I was planning on somehow combining the Lucas method with Al's, which is apparently what you are already doing.
Do you use peroxide?
Here is a quote from Ask Lucas thread with his opinion on peroxide use:
"... So, anyone needing to use peroxide in their res, has too little oxygen is solution. Peroxide goes away in minutes, so if oxygen is the goal, aereation is the cure, not peroxide.
in any case, dont use peroxide, its a bandaid for a symptom, whose cause is poor oxygen delivery. Assuming the hydroponic system is properly aereated, the gardener does not need to use peroxide with any nutrients, and need not think about growing a bacterial field, except with Metanaturals.
These comments are specific to liquid nutes used in hydroponics. Im not talking about organic composting, and the role of bacteria in outdoor soil.
Lucas"
Seems to be the opposite of Al's teachings. Opinions?
I dont agree with not using perxiode b4 I used it, my roots was dark then put some regular perxiode from the dollar store in my resv a day or 2 later they were white and happy, so idk what to say bout that. I bout some h202 25% now love it.
D3mon
Active Member
I do not use peroxide but not for any particular reason, I will be trying it eventually but I was hoping to get my perpetual system flowing so I could compare before and afters. I have not totally given up on the lucas formula because many claim it works and it does actually grow good smoke, but I need to know for sure that its not a nute problem so I will follow GH's directions for now. To be honest I am leaning more towards it being something I am doing to stress them, but I was also hoping someone would chime in with the same issue and I would get lucky 
I have just started to record data for each crop cycle (something I should have been doing all along) and if I determine its the nutes then I will surely chime in here on RIU!
I have just started to record data for each crop cycle (something I should have been doing all along) and if I determine its the nutes then I will surely chime in here on RIU!
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
I used lucas and I had nitroget issues right off the bat, so I use the feeding chart GH grow/micro/bloom and correct ph and my ppm is 1300 and they love it now
I also use AVN big bud and 10ml per gal of 29% h202 also looking into adding snow storm
I also use AVN big bud and 10ml per gal of 29% h202 also looking into adding snow storm
drgreentm
Well-Known Member
i agree the thought of using PEROXIDE for my plants was horrifying but man when i got some 28% h202 man the cleanliness was amazing.
medicine21
Active Member
The other main difference between Al and Lucas that I see, is that Lucas adds back nutes with res water top up and Al is against it. The reason Al gives is that you don't know the exact N-P-K ratio of the res when adding back and this would throw it out of whack. This tells me that the used res (before topping up) is likely ALREADY NOT in the desired N-P-K ratio, so then what is the difference between adding more nutes with water top up or adding just plain water? The res will still have an incorrect N-P-K in both cases. Does adding more nutes AMPLIFY the issue?
jojodancer10
Well-Known Member
wow that snow storm is just that a snowstorm. i used that with afgah from wos and it was covered with snow the price is up there and not sure if i would buy more. let me know how your grow goes with it hellraizer
trichome fiend
Well-Known Member
...thankx for all your knowledge Al....here's a few shots of my zero veg mini gardens...you've inspired me alot bro! ...virtual of my best to ya! 
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Very nice, trichome fiend! Where did you get (or how did you make) that screen grid that keeps the plants in place?...thankx for all your knowledge Al....here's a few shots of my zero veg mini gardens...you've inspired me alot bro! ...virtual of my best to ya!