it's the yes side that keeps saying "it's a foot in the door", "a step in the right direction", "it can be fixed later". you tell me.
Issues With Prop 19 Solved! Now we can all Support it.
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Dan Kone
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It's all about how they ask the questions IMO. When people get confronted by another person asking them if they support prop19, they say no. When it's an automated poll where people feel more anonymous, they say yes to prop 19. I believe that applies to every single poll taken this year.
klmmicro
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I feel that it will prompt other states to consider legislation to legalize cannabis as well. That seems like a step in the right direction to me. The problem will still remain that there are limitations on quantity...which is stupid. If you can posses an ounce, who cares if you have a pound...it's the yes side that keeps saying "it's a foot in the door", "a step in the right direction", "it can be fixed later". you tell me.
Dan Kone
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Prop 19 is designed specifically to be amended at the local level so cities and counties can have the amount of legalization they choose to have. So if a county wants to raise the legal levels to allow 100sq ft growing area and allow everyone to have a pound, they can.
Personally, I'd like to see the 1oz 25sq ft area part of the bill increased. I understand why it's there, to prevent everyone in California from dealing out of their house, and 1oz/25sq ft is perfectly reasonable to grow/possess for personal recreational purposes, but just to be safe so we aren't unnecessarily sending people to jail those limits should be doubled in my opinion.
UncleBuck
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i already told you..."i don't understand what there is to fix". read much?it's the yes side that keeps saying "it's a foot in the door", "a step in the right direction", "it can be fixed later". you tell me.
i'll let you and the rest of the no voters tell me what's wrong with letting everyone grow their own damn weed.
wait a second, i thought you said in a recent thread..."i don't think i said anything about which way i was voting"...and then deleted my posts that showed your statement was not consistent with other statements you continually make.
that's the spirit...just erase anything you don't have an answer for.
UncleBuck
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if a shit like me can pull 8 ounces out of 8 sq feet, there is ntohing wrong with 25 sq ft. you can pull pounds.
and they can't tax what you grow for yourself.
they already tax weed. this bill is not the start of cannabis taxation, in case you hadn't noticed.
UncleBuck
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the limit is imaginary for all intents and purposes.
can a cop get a warrant to search your house because you smell greater than 25 sq ft? nope.
as long as one is discreet and prudent, you can basically grow all you want without worry.
maybe you can go back to post #1, if you are confused.
well since YOU said it was ok.
UncleBuck
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not me, legal precedent.well since YOU said it was ok.
do you have an idea how many cases get thrown out due to evidence being obtained in the wrong way?
are you that unfamiliar with the american legal system?
prop 19 has NEVER been tried in ANY court. nice that you can predict the future though.
UncleBuck
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post #1:maybe you can go back to post #1, if you are confused.
nope, that still gives me ZERO insight as to what is wrong with letting everyonegrow their own damn weed.
care to articulate? or will you simply sidestep the question again?
UncleBuck
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no, but evidence that was obtained improperly has been tried, ver and over again.prop 19 has NEVER been tried in ANY court. nice that you can predict the future though.
you don't need a magic ball when you have legal precedent and history to learn from.
i have no desire to waste my time with you. you want nothing but to attack people. you're lucky you're even still around.
Dan Kone
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Oh I agree. It's not something that would effect many people. I guess it's the 1 ounce thing then. I think a few (not many, and it'll be their own fault, but still) people will get busted for having slightly more than an ounce and the cops will claim they are dealers when they aren't. 99% of people driving around with more than an ounce are dealers, but still we should look out for that 1%. It's very unlikely anyone would carry around more than 2 ounces for any reason other than dealing.
I know that opens up the law to protect illegal dealers, but I'm ok with that too.
The flaws in prop 19 are very minor. It's written in a way that makes it sound like there are harsh penalties, but it makes it extremely difficult to bust people for anything. The no on prop 19 side has tried to blow those minor flaws out of proportion. Those minor flaws are not a good reason to support prohibition. But in the long run I would like to see some of the limits and restrictions removed.
UncleBuck
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where did i attack you? i simply pointed out FACTS.i have no desire to waste my time with you. you want nothing but to attack people. you're lucky you're even still around.
UncleBuck
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ditto. this is ho it would be in a perfect world.
but in the meantime, in the real world, i have no problem with 25 sq ft. that is sufficient area to pull pounds.
i appreciate how you bring us the facts. thank you for that.
Dan Kone
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Agreed. 25sq ft is a lot more than zero sq ft. Not going to let anyone tell me otherwise.
It's not a perfect world. IMO this isn't a perfect law. But it's a huge step in the right direction. It'll stop a lot of people who just grow as a hobby from going to jail. Takes away almost all probable cause that police use to fuck with us. It's not a perfect law, but it's a very good one.
UncleBuck
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agreed, 100%.
but as you said, it takes away a shitload of probable cause and allows a more than fair size of a grow space.
most importantly, as goes cali goes the rest of the nation.
anyone want to take bets on margin of passage? i would bet $25 on 5-6%
Dan Kone
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Prohibitionists often get offended by facts
