Issues With Prop 19 Solved! Now we can all Support it.

gupp · Oct 18, 2010

Yes, it makes some sense. If you are under 17, the law doesn't apply as harshly to you. 18-20, well, you are still legally an adult but you can't smoke mj so you will receive a fine/prison. If you are over 21 you are allowed to smoke but can't give it to anyone under 21.

Dan Kone · Oct 18, 2010

gupp said:
18-20, well, you are still legally an adult but you can't smoke mj so you will receive a fine/prison.

Same penalties for that age group that exist now. Personally I think it should be changed to 19 and up (because 18yr olds can be in highschool). But I'll take 21 and up for now.

Dan Kone · Oct 18, 2010

beardo said:
I am guessing a lot of the pro 19 stand to make money off the tax and controll prop if it passes

A lot of people on both sides stand to make money based on prop 19 passing or failing. What's wrong with making a living growing/selling bud? I'll admit I do it. I'm not rich or anything. Just trying to pay the bills like everyone else. Why the fuck would I want to work at WalMart when I can grow herb instead?

Hayduke · Oct 18, 2010

mr2shim said:
I can't fathom how the cops would figure out your age unless you're stupid enough to carry an ID on you when you're high.

Truly unfathomable... :roll:

mr2shim said:
I like the idea that anyone under 21 could face jail time for smoking marijuana, it just gives the people who are against it all together more initiative to accept it.

Yeah, I think that is great too...not only does it make this palatable for the "masses"...but think of all the jobs it will create...and in this economic climate, if a few adult citizens have to do hard time so that other states can have the dream of re-legalization...well...so be it.

After all...I'm over 21 so who cares :razz:

beardo · Oct 18, 2010

Dan Kone said:
Same penalties for that age group that exist now. Personally I think it should be changed to 19 and up (because 18yr olds can be in highschool). But I'll take 21 and up for now.

wrong. try to read prop again- 3-5 years for a 18 year old who smokes a joint with a 20 year old war veteran

mr2shim · Oct 18, 2010

beardo said:
wrong. try to read prop again- 3-5 years for a 18 year old who smokes a joint with a 20 year old war veteran

LOL! God you're hilarious. 20 year old war veteran? Where the fuck did it say that... Oh boy you're posts make me lol

Dan Kone · Oct 18, 2010

beardo said:
wrong. try to read prop again- 3-5 years for a 18 year old who smokes a joint with a 20 year old war veteran

Is that happening now? No! What you are complaining about is already existing state law and it's not happening now. Give it up dude. No one is buying that.

beardo · Oct 18, 2010

Dan Kone said:
Is that happening now? No! What you are complaining about is already existing state law and it's not happening now. Give it up dude. No one is buying that.

prop 19 is not a state law already- try again go back and read the prop think about it. If you are unable to read the prop then reread this thread it has been explained pretty clearly

beardo · Oct 18, 2010

you might also want to read up on what a voter initiative is and what it does and what is required to amend a voter initiative

Dan Kone · Oct 18, 2010

beardo said:
prop 19 is not a state law already- try again go back and read the prop think about it. If you are unable to read the prop then reread this thread it has been explained pretty clearly

The passage you keep quoting from prop 19 is just repeating already existing state law. You already know this is true. I've proven it to you. To deny it is outright lying. You know you are lying and you keep doing it anyways.

I can repeat myself and prove it for a third time if you like. But you'll just ignore that too and keep lying. If you're just going to repeat the lie over and over again until people believe it's true, good luck with your propaganda campaign.

beardo · Oct 18, 2010

Dan Kone said:
The passage you keep quoting from prop 19 is just repeating already existing state law. You already know this is true. I've proven it to you. To deny it is outright lying. You know you are lying and you keep doing it anyways.

I can repeat myself and prove it for a third time if you like. But you'll just ignore that too and keep lying. If you're just going to repeat the lie over and over again until people believe it's true, good luck with your propaganda campaign.

you are wrong...prop 19 considers a 20 year old a minor and prop 19 is not already a state law.so eventhough the H.S. code allready is law prop 19 changes that law to apply to 18 19 and 20 year olds when a voter initiative is passed what is written in that prop becomes law - and superceeds prior law - 19 would also be changing arnolds decriminalization

Burger Boss · Oct 18, 2010

I've bloody well waited for over 45 fucking years for this, done my "state" time for 5 plants.....the goddamned "kids" can wait til they're 21 or what ever!.......BB

Dan Kone · Oct 18, 2010

beardo said:
you are wrong...prop 19 considers a 20 year old a minor

No man, it doesn't. There is a definitions section. Read it. It does not redefine the word "minor". It does redefine the word ounce interestingly enough.

Here is the only thing prop 19 adds to the laws about minors:

(c) Every person 21 years of age or over who knowingly furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer, or give, any marijuana to a person aged 18 years or older, but younger than 21 years of age, shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail for a period of up to six months and be fined up to one thousand dollars ($1,000) for each offense.
(d) In addition to the penalties above an person who is licensed, permitted or authorized to perform any act pursuant to Section 11301, who while so licensed, permitted or authorized negligently furnishes, administers, gives or sells, or offers to furnish, administer, give or sell any marijuana to any person younger than 21 years of age shall not be permitted to own, operate, be employed by, assist or enter any licensed premises authorized under Section 11301 for a period of one year.

This Act is not intended to affect the application or enforcement of the following state laws relating to public health and safety or protection of children and others: Health and Safety Code sections 11357 [relating to possession on school grounds]; 11361 [relating to minors as amended herein];

Prop 19 clearly states that it does not effect Health and Safety code 11361. That is the HS code you keep quoting while making your claims. What you are saying is not true. You know it's not true. You just keep saying it anyways because you are trying to scare people.

So yeah, if the police can prove that you gave bud to someone you knew in advance was under 21 you can go to jail for up to 6 months and pay a $1000 fine. You also wouldn't be allowed to own a dispensary for a year. It's almost impossible to prove "knowingly", and it's not that stiff of a penalty.

beardo · Oct 18, 2010

Dan Kone said:
No man, it doesn't. There is a definitions section. Read it. It does not redefine the word "minor". It does redefine the word ounce interestingly enough.

Here is the only thing prop 19 adds to the laws about minors:

Prop 19 clearly states that it does not effect Health and Safety code 11361. That is the HS code you keep quoting while making your claims. What you are saying is not true. You know it's not true. You just keep saying it anyways because you are trying to scare people.

it affects the legal definition of minor in regards to marijuana -even in the section you quote it says relating to minors as amended herein- I have other problems with the law also like the 25 square feet. Lack of mention of any 215 exsemption in the law only in the strikeable pourposes section

Hayduke · Oct 18, 2010

I love this part...
(c) Every person 21 years of age or over who knowingly furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer, or give, any marijuana to a person aged 18 years or older, but younger than 21 years of age, shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail for a period of up to six months and be fined up to one thousand dollars ($1,000) for each offense

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Towelie...how dare you!!!! Offer to furnish marijuwanna to the (18-20 year old) kids!!!! Now go to jail!!!!!

:leaf:

Dan Kone · Oct 18, 2010

beardo said:
it affects the legal definition of minor in regards to marijuana -even in the section you quote it says relating to minors as amended herein-

omg. Give it up dude.

It says:

This Act is not intended to affect the application or enforcement of the following state laws relating to public health and safety or protection of children and others: Health and Safety Code sections 11357 [relating to possession on school grounds]; 11361 [relating to minors as amended herein];

What about that is too complex to understand?

Lack of mention of any 215 exsemption in the law only in the strikeable pourposes section

More bullshit. I even asked my lawyer about that just to make sure. He agrees that is crap and prop 19 has no effect on prop 215 legally. Norml and even the original prop 215 lawyer also agree that this is a BS interpretation.

You are attempting to twist the meanings and making false claims because you oppose prop 19 for your own motivations. I'd be willing to discuss those things with you if you'd at least admit what your real problems with prop 19 are. It's very difficult to discuss this reasonably with someone who refuses to be honest about their reasons for opposing it.

Want me to go first? Fine. I like prop 19 because it could lead to a national end to prohibition. I like that it allows everyone to carry some bud on them without a penalty, I like that everyone in California who just grows a little as a hobby can do so without committing a felony. And yes, I like the fact that you can have for profit cannabis businesses. If I want to grow for a living, I should be able to without fear of going to prison.

Sure Shot · Oct 18, 2010

Ya, I don't agree with that either. But, is that enough to make you want to vote no?

mccumcumber · Oct 19, 2010

A certain individual keeps bringing up 20 year old war vet. But I'm almost positive that you need to spend at least 3 years in the military before you are given the option to leave. Now this doesn't mean that you have to stay in combat for 3 years, but what it does mean is that you are still enlisted. Do enlisted combatants get drug tested... yes, very frequently as it turns out. Does this mean that someone who is enlisted can smoke, no. A 21 year old war vet could smoke though cause he would be out of the army.

mr2shim · Oct 19, 2010

Dan Kone said:
omg. Give it up dude.

It says:

What about that is too complex to understand?

More bullshit. I even asked my lawyer about that just to make sure. He agrees that is crap and prop 19 has no effect on prop 215 legally. Norml and even the original prop 215 lawyer also agree that this is a BS interpretation.

You are attempting to twist the meanings and making false claims because you oppose prop 19 for your own motivations. I'd be willing to discuss those things with you if you'd at least admit what your real problems with prop 19 are. It's very difficult to discuss this reasonably with someone who refuses to be honest about their reasons for opposing it.

Want me to go first? Fine. I like prop 19 because it could lead to a national end to prohibition. I like that it allows everyone to carry some bud on them without a penalty, I like that everyone in California who just grows a little as a hobby can do so without committing a felony. And yes, I like the fact that you can have for profit cannabis businesses. If I want to grow for a living, I should be able to without fear of going to prison.

He's clearly avoiding what you're saying. It's obvious, I'm not even sure why he continues to post his lies. Anyone that read half this thread will see he's making up shit.

beardo · Oct 19, 2010

mr2shim said:
He's clearly avoiding what you're saying. It's obvious, I'm not even sure why he continues to post his lies. Anyone that read half this thread will see he's making up shit.

Originally Posted by mr2shim
hahaha, no I don't NEED to get high. It's been months since I've smoked and I'm quite alright.

from the guy who doesn't use marijuana and wants it taxed and controlled

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