Is yellowing normal now that I'm flowering

rkymtnman

rkymtnman

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Kassiopeija said:
Abundant N availability will lead to increased chlorophyll-conten
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maybe this is oversimplifying that statement: are you saying that you actually to need to give the plant less N than it needs? because anything more than that would constitute an "abundance" of N?

do you have any links to any cannabis studies that show this? even a tomato study or hops study that would prove this?

and a plants use of N surely must vary during lights on/off and even throughout the day and throughout the bloom stage too.
 
Boatguy

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Kassiopeija said:
Prof. Schubert writes when plants becomes P-def, such a cycle gets throttled while others (which are not P-dependant) run fully leading to an anthocyan buildup in the outer layer of the stem.
I have not been able to find which cycle(s) are affected, it's somewhere buried in books.
But all living creatures possess such cycles but with plants, it really gets excessive how much they can synthesize (compared to animals).
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Nothing here answers the question posed... Could you answer the question?
 
Kassiopeija

Kassiopeija

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twentyeight.threefive said:
To be fair, I gave you exact the same information the OP gave you. When I offered a guess at his issue you shit all over my responses.
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But it's not about the OP (which btw showed his whole plants...)

You showed me a petiole that is
(a) neither as dark purple as mine
(b) ignored my request to show the stalk
(c) the vein color doesnt match
(d) the plant isnt deficient at all (at least, based not from the little you did show so far)

>> go back and read the original argue when BK vs me, I claimed - I can generate purple discoloration via a deficiency. Which I did. And I have the highest german authority in plant nutrition outlining the theory behind that.

Your input is simply not relevant in that it does nowhere falsify my points plus u offer not any explanation of what you observed at your plant so far.

Yeah and now we are at N-ppm levels....

Bugbee 1.2 EC:
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Kongo landrace:
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Samwell Seed Well

Samwell Seed Well

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rkymtnman said:
i'd have to put them in a nute calculator to be accurate. i just switched up nutes.

but i know that the target N for Lucas formula is 100 ppm (elemental)

mel frank is 40 to 100 for bloom

guy named pHimbalance is 0 to 50 for bloom

so those are way below what you say is the lowest acceptable N level for bloom
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How are you going to demand data from others, you dont even have for yourself, let alont 2976

Bad faith tisk tisk
 
Kassiopeija

Kassiopeija

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rkymtnman said:
maybe this is oversimplifying that statement: are you saying that you actually to need to give the plant less N than it needs? because anything more than that would constitute an "abundance" of N?
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there is a broad range what a plant can tolerate, and since it's living entity that has a plastic responses to its environment. it can
- increase/decrease nute attraction to the rhizoshere
- get rid of unwanted ions
- store surplus minerals in special organs & tissue
- generate more shoots, thereby also more leaves
>> thereby responding to the nute influx to make the most out of it. lots of what a plant does in terms of its architecture resembles a process of optimization.

So it doesnt work mechanically like the motor of a car or in discrete quantum states like an e-chip.

Thus, these diagrams are without set scale:
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now this is very simply. but there exist also 3-dim. diagrams that put 2 different nutes, e.g. N + P, into relation. there is an optimum, but also a broader range beside it where growth is still insignificantly less.
but it is noteworthy that this put the optimum coming right after the deficient state, with abundance being slightly less good. this is confirmed in written text in my books (reason: nute processing is energy-costly) but it may not always be the case. it may be that the optimum extends just generally much further into the abundancy.
I've actually seen this in a study -partially- about the "Piper-Steenberg"-effect, but the full text is sadly behind a pay-wall.
 
twentyeight.threefive

twentyeight.threefive

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Kassiopeija said:
But it's not about the OP (which btw showed his whole plants...)

You showed me a petiole that is
(a) neither as dark purple as mine
(b) ignored my request to show the stalk
(c) the vein color doesnt match
(d) the plant isnt deficient at all (at least, based not from the little you did show so far)

>> go back and read the original argue when BK vs me, I claimed - I can generate purple discoloration via a deficiency. Which I did. And I have the highest german authority in plant nutrition outlining the theory behind that.

Your input is simply not relevant in that it does nowhere falsify my points plus u offer not any explanation of what you observed at your plant so far.

Yeah and now we are at N-ppm levels....

Bugbee 1.2 EC:
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Kongo landrace:
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Well yeah we're at elemental N ppm levels. You claimed my plant was in excess of nitrogen. What is the determining factor in your diagnosis? Simply a dark green color? I'm curious.
 
Kassiopeija

Kassiopeija

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Boatguy said:
Nothing here answers the question posed... Could you answer the question?
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I showed u chemocycle in a pic
I have no clue how u specifically name that in english so I just translated literally the german term
and it should be easy by association to get that

sorry but you are now going to far with pedanteristic trolling

play stupid more & I just put all of you on ignore
 
twentyeight.threefive

twentyeight.threefive

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Kassiopeija said:
why do you ignore my posts?
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I didn't ignore your posts.

You claimed I was "filled up behind both ears with nutes". That is a diagnosis of my plant. I'm trying to figure out how you arrived at that conclusion.

Kassiopeija said:
I wonder what ur trying to achieve here by showing a leaf that is filled up behind both ears with nutes. but one thing is certain, if u go overboard with nutes it may lead to a physiological toxicity
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rkymtnman

rkymtnman

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Samwell Seed Well said:
How are you going to demand data from others, you dont even have for yourself, let alont 2976

Bad faith tisk tisk
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198 N
59 P
57 K
like i mentioned, first time using this and i'm only 10 days into 12/12. and they aren't dark green at all.


there ya go. can you tell me what ppm of N is too much? kassi seems to be spinning in circles trying to dodge the question.

or do you go by dark green is bad too?
 
Samwell Seed Well

Samwell Seed Well

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Tiny hands chec
Cats check

4 small plants...check
rkymtnman said:
198 N
59 P
57 K
like i mentioned, first time using this and i'm only 10 days into 12/12. and they aren't dark green at all.


there ya go. can you tell me what ppm of N is too much? kassi seems to be spinning in circles trying to dodge the question.

or do you go by dark green is bad too?
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Wierd how your N dips...why is that?is that your design...

Only a child expects a simple answer where a complex one exist

Every plant/enviroment is different, best to compare
 
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twentyeight.threefive

twentyeight.threefive

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rkymtnman said:
198 N
59 P
57 K
like i mentioned, first time using this and i'm only 10 days into 12/12. and they aren't dark green at all.


there ya go. can you tell me what ppm of N is too much? kassi seems to be spinning in circles trying to dodge the question.

or do you go by dark green is bad too?
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She can't answer the question so she copy and pastes as much information as she can until everyone forgets that she never answered the question people asked her.
 
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