Finshaggy
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it wasn't a lack of coherence. It was a high thought at the end of a discussion.
Is Time An Illusion?
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Finshaggy
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We didn't constantly "have" to adjust. We adjusted due to Empires and Religious beliefs.
Hepheastus420
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There are two kinds of human thoughts:
Those that handle the physical that does exist and ...
those that handle the non-physical that is fiction that doesn't exist
To us human beings, the physical reality appears* to be made of material objects and immaterial active phenomenon. We do perceive the reality of objects and active phenomenon through our body senses, and in return we can describe that perception of reality.
An object or an active phenomenon is real or exist on the double condition that we are able to first perceive it then describe it.
By contrast that, which doesn't exist in reality, the non-physical, can only exist in our minds! Evidently we cannot perceive through our body senses that which does not exist in reality, and as a consequence we are unable to describe that, which doesn't exist.
Mental concepts that lack physical collateral cannot be perceived physically. And our inability to describe that which doesn't exist, corroborates that non existence.
* The expression "appears to be made of" rather than "is made of" is used here because the words "made-of" and "exist" are misleading; they imply that things are "made of" matter that doesn't need time to "exist"! In the gravimotion world, which is an interpretation of Nature that departs from traditional thinking, matter's very inner-core that is the subatomic particle, doesn't "exist", but "occurs" dynamically instead!
Even though the word "exist" is belittled in gravimotion, the 2 words "exist" and "occur" are used indiscriminately in this page and elsewhere.
Here are things that we perceive, along with their description, and as such ...
which are physical or exist in reality.
Because we can touch them, material objects are physical, and exist in reality. In conjunction with that reality that does exist outside our minds, we make crystal clear mental images of material objects within our minds. And in return we can describe them.
Then in reality, unlike material objects though, there are phenomenon such as gravitation that occur and as such exist and are physical yet non-material.
Even though one cannot touch gravitation as one does material objects, and even though gravitation acts out of immaterial space, because gravitation makes objects fall, gravitation is physical.
Similarly even though one cannot grab them with one's hands, light rays are physical because they have a physical effect, light rays from the sun heat up our skin.
Both gravitation and light rays, even though non material, are physical and do exist or occur in reality because they act on matter; we clearly perceive their respective effects with our body; and in return we are able to concisely describe these effects as just done above.
Our perceptions then our descriptions of gravitation and light rays corroborate their physical existence.
Even though we have no idea what matter, gravitation and light rays are (in reality), and even though our human interpretations of these things are only ideas (concepts and pictures) we know that these ideas do coincide to real things! We can touch matter, gravitation makes an object fall and light from the sun heats our skin.
Both perception and description are needed to be confident that something is real or does exist in reality.
We can neither perceive physically our mental concept of time, nor describe it, ...
as such time doesn't exist!
For one, our idea of time doesn't run the clocks that "give" us the "time"! Is that not puzzling? In reality, metal springs or batteries and not time activate clocks.
Ask yourself this question: Why do I believe a clock gives me the time whereas time doesn't run that clock? Time is clearly missing from that specific reality that is a clock!
Then time is neither controlling the time duration of our life that is at the mercy of an accident, nor our aging, which runs on biological processes such as the physical duplication of cells.
Obviously time is not involved in our so-called aging process! Now choose any word, within our human language that implies time, you will find out that time is never involved! Even simultaneity and instantaneity must occur elsewhere than in time as both involve no time!
Besides there has to be a reason or some doubt, for which so many, including you and I, do ask the question:does time exist? And by the way, for which this page is so popular!
Here is an answer:
There is no physical interaction whatsoever between our concept of time and any physical phenomenon.
As a consequence we cannot perceive physically our concept of time.
And as a consequence again we are unable to describe the alleged entity time.
Time fails both aspects of the double condition that could establish it's physical entity.
And that is true in the science of physics too! Richard Feynman, a renown physicist, suggested that "time runs independently of everything else."
Not connected to anything real, "time" is only a word of our language and "t" only a mathematical symbol in physics.
Time is non physical. Time does not exist in reality!
Those that handle the physical that does exist and ...
those that handle the non-physical that is fiction that doesn't exist
To us human beings, the physical reality appears* to be made of material objects and immaterial active phenomenon. We do perceive the reality of objects and active phenomenon through our body senses, and in return we can describe that perception of reality.
An object or an active phenomenon is real or exist on the double condition that we are able to first perceive it then describe it.
By contrast that, which doesn't exist in reality, the non-physical, can only exist in our minds! Evidently we cannot perceive through our body senses that which does not exist in reality, and as a consequence we are unable to describe that, which doesn't exist.
Mental concepts that lack physical collateral cannot be perceived physically. And our inability to describe that which doesn't exist, corroborates that non existence.
* The expression "appears to be made of" rather than "is made of" is used here because the words "made-of" and "exist" are misleading; they imply that things are "made of" matter that doesn't need time to "exist"! In the gravimotion world, which is an interpretation of Nature that departs from traditional thinking, matter's very inner-core that is the subatomic particle, doesn't "exist", but "occurs" dynamically instead!
Even though the word "exist" is belittled in gravimotion, the 2 words "exist" and "occur" are used indiscriminately in this page and elsewhere.
Here are things that we perceive, along with their description, and as such ...
which are physical or exist in reality.
Because we can touch them, material objects are physical, and exist in reality. In conjunction with that reality that does exist outside our minds, we make crystal clear mental images of material objects within our minds. And in return we can describe them.
Then in reality, unlike material objects though, there are phenomenon such as gravitation that occur and as such exist and are physical yet non-material.
Even though one cannot touch gravitation as one does material objects, and even though gravitation acts out of immaterial space, because gravitation makes objects fall, gravitation is physical.
Similarly even though one cannot grab them with one's hands, light rays are physical because they have a physical effect, light rays from the sun heat up our skin.
Both gravitation and light rays, even though non material, are physical and do exist or occur in reality because they act on matter; we clearly perceive their respective effects with our body; and in return we are able to concisely describe these effects as just done above.
Our perceptions then our descriptions of gravitation and light rays corroborate their physical existence.
Even though we have no idea what matter, gravitation and light rays are (in reality), and even though our human interpretations of these things are only ideas (concepts and pictures) we know that these ideas do coincide to real things! We can touch matter, gravitation makes an object fall and light from the sun heats our skin.
Both perception and description are needed to be confident that something is real or does exist in reality.
We can neither perceive physically our mental concept of time, nor describe it, ...
as such time doesn't exist!
For one, our idea of time doesn't run the clocks that "give" us the "time"! Is that not puzzling? In reality, metal springs or batteries and not time activate clocks.
Ask yourself this question: Why do I believe a clock gives me the time whereas time doesn't run that clock? Time is clearly missing from that specific reality that is a clock!
Then time is neither controlling the time duration of our life that is at the mercy of an accident, nor our aging, which runs on biological processes such as the physical duplication of cells.
Obviously time is not involved in our so-called aging process! Now choose any word, within our human language that implies time, you will find out that time is never involved! Even simultaneity and instantaneity must occur elsewhere than in time as both involve no time!
Besides there has to be a reason or some doubt, for which so many, including you and I, do ask the question:does time exist? And by the way, for which this page is so popular!
Here is an answer:
There is no physical interaction whatsoever between our concept of time and any physical phenomenon.
As a consequence we cannot perceive physically our concept of time.
And as a consequence again we are unable to describe the alleged entity time.
Time fails both aspects of the double condition that could establish it's physical entity.
And that is true in the science of physics too! Richard Feynman, a renown physicist, suggested that "time runs independently of everything else."
Not connected to anything real, "time" is only a word of our language and "t" only a mathematical symbol in physics.
Time is non physical. Time does not exist in reality!
THENUMBER1022
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No. we had top constantly adjust, or else it would be 5am when the sun goes up and 5pm when it goes down and eventually 1am at sunrise and 1pm sunset.. or roughly. Its not a precise measurement of a day, and the earth sometimes speeds up or slows down. Some earthquakes even recently have shifted our earth axis by .3 seconds..
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Unless you mean .3 seconds/millennium, earthquake effects on terrestrial rotation aren't that big.
Leap seconds ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second
<edit> Looked it up ... Japan earthquake shortened the day by 1.8 microseconds. This figures to 650 lilliseconds per millennium. Of course, earthquakes are sudden adjustments of the slow day-lengthening effect that is caused by the strain that drives earthquakes in the first place. This strain tends to lengthen the day by "stacking" crustal mass.
Finshaggy
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But we didn't adjust for that. The days just change like that. EVERYDAY IS LONGER OR SHORTER THAN THE DAY BEFORE IT. That's why there is almanac's. And we didn't adjust for the earthquake either, that just happened. We changed our calendar for Ceasar I'm pretty sure (August=Augustus, he made up the 12 months and everything), and that's the last time we changed it. Like those people are the ones that made leap year, and besides daylight savings, wasn't that the last alteration?
Finshaggy
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Wait. Then there's proof. If time can just "Be changed" by a shift in the planet. Then it is obvious, it is just a measure of movement.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
No, Fin. The day's length can change (by changes in the earth's angular mass distribution), but the measure of underlying time (the SI second) remains the same.
Length of day is a property of the planet relative to the sun.
In any case this is all about measuring time (natural and artificial clocks) and not about its nature. Time itself isn't changing or being changed.
Righteous nwew avatar btw! cn
Finshaggy
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The "Day's length changing" is not different than what I said. I was just saying the measurements of time can be changed, by a different in angle or length of something. That means "time" "days" "hours" "weeks" "years" are just a measurement of something that can be altered due to a difference in something that we can look at. But we can not look at, or do anything inside of the time itself. It is just a concept to be played with.
Finshaggy
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And I understand the underlying measurements stay the same (seconds, milliseconds) but they are no less of a whim to change than the days or years, if we ever needed, and I bet one day we will, when we figure out something better than time.
olylifter420
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if i were you fin, i would gather up all your work and present at a symposium or something and see what that says. seems you are really set on this and i think if you get good funding, you could do your necessary research to prove your hypothesis
THENUMBER1022
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so what was the reasoning behind the photons acting differently because they were being observed? that sounded like complete bullshit..
Finshaggy
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How am I supposed to get the funding? And (If it's going to be really hard, and time consuming) I've got more important things to do than prove time doesn't exist, I've got a plant to free, and a state to raise up. If people want to be stuck in time, they can do that. I've planned out years of other stuff.
Finshaggy
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Because that's "Just what happens". But really that's just, "What happens when gold foil and photons are used in a certain way".
THENUMBER1022
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....that doesn't really explain anything. Why did it make intricate patterns when projected through the slits until observed? why would a camera observing the photons force the photons to act differently? why did they just drop the main concept of the entire illustration without explanation? like most mayan bullshit on youtube...
THENUMBER1022
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I think, if anything, the illustration of the photons and marbles through the slits describes the anomalies in photons based on seemingly harmless condition alterations.. Meaning possibly some type of gravity bars or force exists that we are blind to, that photons tend to follow... Vortex's are incredible just as much so. I think there is definitely a key to stimulating photons through a vortex or specific pattern/shape.. possible answers to many questions to do with gravity, but hardly explored. Extremely small alterations in the patterns or environment can clearly have a profound effect on the actions of particles.
Finshaggy
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First off, that isn't Mayan shit at all. That's Quantum Physics bullshit.
And Because we are different than a camera. A camera is just glass, accepting light. We are a thing, that has electric fields and everything. Like, it knows when it is being "watched". But it's just something that happened when they played with gold and photons.
And Because we are different than a camera. A camera is just glass, accepting light. We are a thing, that has electric fields and everything. Like, it knows when it is being "watched". But it's just something that happened when they played with gold and photons.