Is this TMV???

chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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natureboygrower said:
are there any pics of something similiar to this? im having a hard time visualizing what youre doing?a piece of stem? sounds a bit Island of Dr Moreau-ish:fire:
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likely on google, plants from test tubes is a great frikken book on amazon.

healthy clean small cutting is cleaned in a sonic toothbrush cleaner with a 3% bleach/h20 mix for a minute, then plain water for a bit, then 3% iso/water for a minute, water then repeated. masked, in a clean dedicated tent its transferred into sterile test tube with a sterile mix of murishage/agar mix and capped. It sits in there with others in racks under a small t5 fixture, sealed in the tent.
I know how to grow mold really well this way too, and sometimes I get lucky and mold free, sometimes with multiple transfers even. I get luckier over time.
the cutting doesnt root(good luck) but does grow callous and stays alive in an animated suspension(?) forever(?). I remove the cut and take another cut, or a clone, or a bit of stem/top whatever and with cloning gel and a sterile root cube I raise another copy or two.
I repeat those steps with the original cut and sometimes get lucky again when its stored. I've never successfully transferred more than 2x.
these are rootless cuttings, not rooted plants, they are not counted as plant counts only weight. I got choo all covered mang....8)
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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cannn said:
You say this but then you give a link to another thread to prove yourself..

Sorry if im not just taking your word for it, although you have me doubting. I redacted my previous post for now

Any link to info on the genetic condition? I think that would really properly clear things up here..
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Then don't, I don't care...

OH, by the way.....That link is to a thread that I answer! Don't feel like typing that all out again for another doubter.....Next time. How about you go read the damn link before assuming something sport...

Just that for as long as I've been doing this (could be longer then you've been alive), and the time spent talking with grad students and their prof's at MSU and other AG schools. No one has ever seen an actual positive for any MV in cannabis. Our growers "co-op" has sent in over 300+ tissue samples for scanning electron microscope sampling (The real and only way to confirm any virus in plants) and we have never gotten a positive! EVER!

There are only a very small handful of any viral that affects Cannabis or Hops (it's closest relative in the plant world).

NONE of them are Mosaics! NO mosaic viral's in cannabis - PERIOD! College tested!

As far as the shown problem. That is a type of VERIEGATED!

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/variegated

Like I said before. It can be somewhat common. It is most common as a genetic condition.

From HORTMAG:

I’m curious—what makes certain plants have variegated leaves? Is this an adaptation for survival, the way cactus features are or the way flowers are built to appeal to pollinators?

Answer: Variation in leaf color arises because of a lack of the green pigment chlorophyll in some of the plant cells. It isn’t an adaptation to the environment, but instead it is usually the result of a cell mutation, and can be inherited (genetic) or occur randomly (chimeric). If genetic, the color change is stable, which means that if you propagate a green shoot from a plant with colored leaves or sow its seed, the coloring will reappear in the new plant. This applies both to green leaves with irregular markings (variegation), say in white and yellow, and to those of a single solid color such as gold or purple.

They go on to say that it can cause a weak plant..... "I" have not had plants with that condition be a problem. They grew and finished. Clones would express the same thing. They ran as before. The other 2 beans from that order. Did run a bit better....Not much. This was back when that strain first came out.....Long time ago..

Feel better now?
 
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natureboygrower

natureboygrower

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chemphlegm said:
likely on google, plants from test tubes is a great frikken book on amazon.

healthy clean small cutting is cleaned in a sonic toothbrush cleaner with a 3% bleach/h20 mix for a minute, then plain water for a bit, then 3% iso/water for a minute, water then repeated. masked, in a clean dedicated tent its transferred into sterile test tube with a sterile mix of murishage/agar mix and capped. It sits in there with others in racks under a small t5 fixture, sealed in the tent.
I know how to grow mold really well this way too, and sometimes I get lucky and mold free, sometimes with multiple transfers even. I get luckier over time.
the cutting doesnt root(good luck) but does grow callous and stays alive in an animated suspension(?) forever(?). I remove the cut and take another cut, or a clone, or a bit of stem/top whatever and with cloning gel and a sterile root cube I raise another copy or two.
I repeat those steps with the original cut and sometimes get lucky again when its stored. I've never successfully transferred more than 2x.
these are rootless cuttings, not rooted plants, they are not counted as plant counts only weight. I got choo all covered mang....8)
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wow....ima check that book out.

will read again when not baked*:eyesmoke:
 
JaredTheJeweler

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GrowGorilla said:
To the OP. Are you using COBs? I thought I had my COBs turned up too high and burned them but this thread makes me second guess everything.
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I am indeed using cobs, but have zero issues with all 5 other plants growing beside this one. I currently have the vero29 v7 pulling 200 watts for veg and 16-18 inches from the plants. This is a bit of a curve ball for me on my first serious grow.
 
JaredTheJeweler

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Thank you everyone for your responses. As of now I'm going to keep the plant and let it run its course, but still keep it slightly isolated so it cannot touch any others. I would like to note that it has been in contact with at least 4 of my other plants. If this was somehow TMV then my other girls will surely be showing symptoms soon. Something I think that is important to take into consideration is that my tangie plant also leads my other 5 plants in growth by almost a full node. Two of the six beans I've popped were regular seeds, tangie included, all other are feminized. Here are some more pics if any of you would like a slightly closer view.
 

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cannn

cannn

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Dr. Who said:
Then don't, I don't care...

OH, by the way.....That link is to a thread that I answer! Don't feel like typing that all out again for another doubter.....Next time. How about you go read the damn link before assuming something sport...

Just that for as long as I've been doing this (could be longer then you've been alive), and the time spent talking with grad students and their prof's at MSU and other AG schools. No one has ever seen an actual positive for any MV in cannabis. Our growers "co-op" has sent in over 300+ tissue samples for scanning electron microscope sampling (The real and only way to confirm any virus in plants) and we have never gotten a positive! EVER!

There are only a very small handful of any viral that affects Cannabis or Hops (it's closest relative in the plant world).

NONE of them are Mosaics! NO mosaic viral's in cannabis - PERIOD! College tested!

As far as the shown problem. That is a type of VERIEGATED!

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/variegated

Like I said before. It can be somewhat common. It is most common as a genetic condition.

From HORTMAG:

I’m curious—what makes certain plants have variegated leaves? Is this an adaptation for survival, the way cactus features are or the way flowers are built to appeal to pollinators?

Answer: Variation in leaf color arises because of a lack of the green pigment chlorophyll in some of the plant cells. It isn’t an adaptation to the environment, but instead it is usually the result of a cell mutation, and can be inherited (genetic) or occur randomly (chimeric). If genetic, the color change is stable, which means that if you propagate a green shoot from a plant with colored leaves or sow its seed, the coloring will reappear in the new plant. This applies both to green leaves with irregular markings (variegation), say in white and yellow, and to those of a single solid color such as gold or purple.

They go on to say that it can cause a weak plant..... "I" have not had plants with that condition be a problem. They grew and finished. Clones would express the same thing. They ran as before. The other 2 beans from that order. Did run a bit better....Not much. This was back when that strain first came out.....Long time ago..

Feel better now?
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You really overreact man. I just asked if you have info on this genetic condition your mentioning. I couldnt find your mention of it in the other thread, maybe it was there, i missed it. I did check it out. I even said youve pretty much convinced me, to the point i deleted my post out of ignorance, to not continue to spread this bs. I thought it would help your argument if you gave info on the genetic condition you mention in your previous post. Id never heard of it. I get that youve been arguing with a lot of people over this so your frustrated but its not like i was that much of a dick about it. I was honestly just wanting to learn..

The part in green is really all you needed to reply with.

Im doing my best to stay civil here. You really dont need to get so angry. It just makes you look bad. I believe you though.

I dont care if youve been growing since the dawn of time, that doesnt mean everyone has to just listen to you. Theres a guy in my area who has definitely been growing since before i was born. He grows the shittiest bud ive ever smoked, and that is no exaggeration

Edit: after looking through all your posts there i see nothing mentioning the genetic condition. So still id have that question and its perfectly reasonable to ask.
 
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OrganicGorilla

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JaredTheJeweler said:
I am indeed using cobs, but have zero issues with all 5 other plants growing beside this one. I currently have the vero29 v7 pulling 200 watts for veg and 16-18 inches from the plants. This is a bit of a curve ball for me on my first serious grow.
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I wish I was growing something else other then Tangie to see if I had the same results. Is it possible that Tangie is sensitive to Cob lights?
 
OrganicGorilla

OrganicGorilla

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JaredTheJeweler said:
Thank you everyone for your responses. As of now I'm going to keep the plant and let it run its course, but still keep it slightly isolated so it cannot touch any others. I would like to note that it has been in contact with at least 4 of my other plants. If this was somehow TMV then my other girls will surely be showing symptoms soon. Something I think that is important to take into consideration is that my tangie plant also leads my other 5 plants in growth by almost a full node. Two of the six beans I've popped were regular seeds, tangie included, all other are feminized. Here are some more pics if any of you would like a slightly closer view.
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I'm thinking that is genetic because my Tangie looked the exact same and mine are CFF Regs.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Dr. Who said:
Then don't, I don't care...

OH, by the way.....That link is to a thread that I answer! Don't feel like typing that all out again for another doubter.....Next time. How about you go read the damn link before assuming something sport...

Just that for as long as I've been doing this (could be longer then you've been alive), and the time spent talking with grad students and their prof's at MSU and other AG schools. No one has ever seen an actual positive for any MV in cannabis. Our growers "co-op" has sent in over 300+ tissue samples for scanning electron microscope sampling (The real and only way to confirm any virus in plants) and we have never gotten a positive! EVER!

There are only a very small handful of any viral that affects Cannabis or Hops (it's closest relative in the plant world).

NONE of them are Mosaics! NO mosaic viral's in cannabis - PERIOD! College tested!

As far as the shown problem. That is a type of VERIEGATED!

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/variegated

Like I said before. It can be somewhat common. It is most common as a genetic condition.

From HORTMAG:

I’m curious—what makes certain plants have variegated leaves? Is this an adaptation for survival, the way cactus features are or the way flowers are built to appeal to pollinators?

Answer: Variation in leaf color arises because of a lack of the green pigment chlorophyll in some of the plant cells. It isn’t an adaptation to the environment, but instead it is usually the result of a cell mutation, and can be inherited (genetic) or occur randomly (chimeric). If genetic, the color change is stable, which means that if you propagate a green shoot from a plant with colored leaves or sow its seed, the coloring will reappear in the new plant. This applies both to green leaves with irregular markings (variegation), say in white and yellow, and to those of a single solid color such as gold or purple.

They go on to say that it can cause a weak plant..... "I" have not had plants with that condition be a problem. They grew and finished. Clones would express the same thing. They ran as before. The other 2 beans from that order. Did run a bit better....Not much. This was back when that strain first came out.....Long time ago..

Feel better now?
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You are actually saying your "co op" (not allowed in Michigan) sent 300 marijuana plant tissue samples to Michigan State University for testing? (Also not allowed)

Cmon' now doc.


About the plant in question.

I do agree that that is a bad variegation. And I have seen it on Greenhouse seeds northern light auto.

And on some leaves of a diesel cross too a couple of times.
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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There's a large grow op on a main road, been there for years, used to in the news, guys got arrested, but never closed, went to court, think charges dropped, amsdil? anyway changed hands and its an obvious very large operation supplying its members with grow space and bud. its private, meaning you have to buy a membership, little cheesy safeguards, then you're in. is that a "co-op"?
giant multiple greenhouses, sunshine at night, trees seen through the plastic, they heat with wood, large wood processing plant out front......its huge
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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chemphlegm said:
There's a large grow op on a main road, been there for years, used to in the news, guys got arrested, but never closed, went to court, think charges dropped, amsdil? anyway changed hands and its an obvious very large operation supplying its members with grow space and bud. its private, meaning you have to buy a membership, little cheesy safeguards, then you're in. is that a "co-op"?
giant multiple greenhouses, sunshine at night, trees seen through the plastic, they heat with wood, large wood processing plant out front......its huge
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I guess a co op is a bunch of caregivers all growing together to cash crop in a warehouse or something.

They have all been shut down and growers arrested in my area. They used to try to get you to sign up with them so they could have your plant count.

But the U of M sure didn't take their samples for testing. Lol.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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MichiganMedGrower said:
You are actually saying your "co op" (not allowed in Michigan) sent 300 marijuana plant tissue samples to Michigan State University for testing? (Also not allowed)

Cmon' now doc.


About the plant in question.

I do agree that that is a bad variegation. And I have seen it on Greenhouse seeds northern light auto.

And on some leaves of a diesel cross too a couple of times.
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First off. You should read up the background to these statements.

The "co-op" is simply a group of us longer term growers. We go back to before Medical. We call it a "co-op" for shits and giggles.
Many of them were present at the pig roast.

As for sending in samples:

#1: The grad students and the prof (new one, after the old retired) are a kind of an "ignore it" group. They are interested in the science.

#2: The samples are sent unlabeled and the reply is mailed. The samples are also not recognizable for what they are.

#3: The old prof had a lot to do with industrial hemp back from the early 40's until the early 50's. He stated that the hemp war production was huge in 43&44. It tapered off until the later 50's, when it was stopped. Both from "drug" pressure but, mainly because of synthetic fibers coming of age.

He retired in the 90's. He had a great interest in our quest for answers. He saw some interesting things going on with the industrial hemp back in the day, problem wise that is. And, I was directed to him from another person at Ole Miss. Whom "we" first asked about the subject....

I have been told that other schools of higher learning will also test for plant viral's by sending them in without revealing the genus. Simply ask for a Mosaic viral test. All they do is put it under a scanning electron microscope and look for the virus DNA strand. They then tell you Neg or Poss and what viral strain they found.
Cal Poly
OU
OSU
UC
UT
OM
and the list goes on.

Time to quit the assuming game MMG......

You bowed out respectfully.
I politely suggest you keep it that way.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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MichiganMedGrower said:
I guess a co op is a bunch of caregivers all growing together to cash crop in a warehouse or something.

They have all been shut down and growers arrested in my area. They used to try to get you to sign up with them so they could have your plant count.

But the U of M sure didn't take their samples for testing. Lol.
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Again - NOT what our "co-op" is.
I actually lined that out in a post here,,,,years ago.
You where not a member yet, you would have read that.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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cannn said:
You really overreact man. I just asked if you have info on this genetic condition your mentioning. I couldnt find your mention of it in the other thread, maybe it was there, i missed it. I did check it out. I even said youve pretty much convinced me, to the point i deleted my post out of ignorance, to not continue to spread this bs. I thought it would help your argument if you gave info on the genetic condition you mention in your previous post. Id never heard of it. I get that youve been arguing with a lot of people over this so your frustrated but its not like i was that much of a dick about it. I was honestly just wanting to learn..

The part in green is really all you needed to reply with.

Im doing my best to stay civil here. You really dont need to get so angry. It just makes you look bad. I believe you though.

I dont care if youve been growing since the dawn of time, that doesnt mean everyone has to just listen to you. Theres a guy in my area who has definitely been growing since before i was born. He grows the shittiest bud ive ever smoked, and that is no exaggeration

Edit: after looking through all your posts there i see nothing mentioning the genetic condition. So still id have that question and its perfectly reasonable to ask.
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Your correct and I apologize for the harsh retort. My fault.....Hang'in with buds drink'in and the resulting hang-over is no excuse for being gruff.

Thanks for the civil part. Really!

Sometimes I feel like I've been growing from the dawn of time.....Now it's time to share.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Dr. Who said:
First off. You should read up the background to these statements.

The "co-op" is simply a group of us longer term growers. We go back to before Medical. We call it a "co-op" for shits and giggles.
Many of them were present at the pig roast.

As for sending in samples:

#1: The grad students and the prof (new one, after the old retired) are a kind of an "ignore it" group. They are interested in the science.

#2: The samples are sent unlabeled and the reply is mailed. The samples are also not recognizable for what they are.

#3: The old prof had a lot to do with industrial hemp back from the early 40's until the early 50's. He stated that the hemp war production was huge in 43&44. It tapered off until the later 50's, when it was stopped. Both from "drug" pressure but, mainly because of synthetic fibers coming of age.

He retired in the 90's. He had a great interest in our quest for answers. He saw some interesting things going on with the industrial hemp back in the day, problem wise that is. And, I was directed to him from another person at Ole Miss. Whom "we" first asked about the subject....

I have been told that other schools of higher learning will also test for plant viral's by sending them in without revealing the genus. Simply ask for a Mosaic viral test. All they do is put it under a scanning electron microscope and look for the virus DNA strand. They then tell you Neg or Poss and what viral strain they found.
Cal Poly
OU
OSU
UC
UT
OM
and the list goes on.

Time to quit the assuming game MMG......

You bowed out respectfully.
I politely suggest you keep it that way.
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Who bowed out? I don't trust you or the people you met with. I never even considered meeting with you. You are obviously not cool doc.

People still go to jail for this. The person you met with texts amounts and weights. And is constantly drunk and hurting for money. Good luck. He has also changed his story often. Depending on who he is trying to get pot from.


And your explanation has as much fantasy as the first post did.

Live with it or go hide on rm3 dot com. You are obviously making your history up as you go.

boring and slow over at that site isn't it?
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Dr. Who said:
Your correct and I apologize for the harsh retort. My fault.....Hang'in with buds drink'in and the resulting hang-over is no excuse for being gruff.

Thanks for the civil part. Really!

Sometimes I feel like I've been growing from the dawn of time.....Now it's time to share.
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Man you are wishy washy and undecided about everything. It is you with the anxiety disorder. And it shows more every day.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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MichiganMedGrower said:
Lol. Years ago is when I noticed you are full of shit on here.
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The only real person full of shit here - is YOU Med!

2 years of reading books to be "educated" on growing. Pot growing books.
Barely just 4 years of actual growing.
Fucking idiotic claims of being around "mob protected" grows in corn fields in NJ...Come the fuck on!

You lie about what you "know" and lied to me and everyone else about DC and just where you got pulled over!
YOU were speeding! Now how fucking smart is that - Right after you smoked and you were carrying! That right there says volumes!


Your narcissism plainly did not allow you to see the truth and you had to blame someone else for your fuck up!
 
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