Hollatchaboy
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Bugs and mold.
Is this over watering?
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Herb & Suds
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Aeration causes rapid growth even roots
I’ve never heard of trying to grow in coco the way you are trying to do it
I have. Unfortunately it usually leads to failure
So a pk boost during early veg for roots to grow? For how long do you use pk and what doseage? Thanks.
So you fully water pots until runoff with clones and a small root system put into new pots and the roots still develop?
What's a rail?
mudballs
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Well what i do may not be advisable in the public space. Curious2garden may be able to set you up with exact numbers, im throwing her under the bus on this one and obviously more knowledgeable than i on this.
Rails are slang for NFT, nutrient film technique.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. However you may not wish to listen to me. I'm known for having to post rescue me threads to get bailed out by the pros.
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Treesomewanted77
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Yup I sure do it this way and have roots taking over all the coco within a week or 2 at most. Coco is meant to be kept wet so water the whole pot till runoff. Better yet do a couple one way and a couple the way your doing it and see what works better and report back your findings.
mudballs
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You made me think one day when i had an extra germinated seed. I threw it in a leftover used rockwool block and been spraying my 16oz cup seedling mix to see how much it affects root growth as people say a high phosphorus mix stimulates roots....you be the judge.see the dead cotyledons? Proof it's not a clone or other trickery.
So this is GH Flora trio at
1ml Micro
6ml Bloom
Per gallon
That's it, no FloraGro bottle used. I only do that for my 16oz cup seedlings until i transplant them to 1gal or whatever i had planned for it. I dont do the FloraGro cuz if you look it has 6% potash and the Bloom has 4% and a better ratio when mixed out...the Gro is a waste in this application.
Hollatchaboy
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The gro is a waste. Period. I use the micro and bloom(Lucas formula) for a whole grow.
That's wild the growth just exploded.
So are the nutrients you mentioned pk? I don't know about GH nutrients, I'll go look.
FloraGro NPK ratio: 2:1:7/ FloraBloom NPK ratio: 0:5:4 / FloraMicro NPK ratio: 4:0:1
So basically npk of what you used was 4:5:4? Am I getting this right? So there is N its not just a PK for roots. A small plant in veg would need N to explode with growth like that tho wouldn't it. Sorry if I'm not getting this.
mudballs
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Close. Doing a 1:0:6 mix of the GH gives an NPK of 5-30-25...big ole phosphorus ratio offset. It doesn't need as much N to grow roots as like in the pic. It had just enough N to keep those leaves healthy and growing while the ratio offset triggered more focus on root growth. I read somewhere it's the ratio that signals the plants more than the NPK numbers themselves. I could be wrong.
So that seedling exploded with growth from you spraying it with a ratio of 5-30-25? It doesn't have to be GH nutrients right? Any NPK mixture that comes to that ratio would work? That sounds interesting, I'll try that on some cuttings. Thanks for your help mudballs!
7CardBud
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MAP is commonly used P booster.
Monoammonium Phosphate 12-61-0 fertilizer 1 lb.-MAP-1lb
customhydronutrients.com
Oh hey I thought I understood how you got to that ratio but I don't. How does using the micro and bloom become 1:0:6 and then that gives a 5-30-25 NPK? Maybe that question is even wrong I don't know, I don't get it.
Thank you!
mudballs
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So im on a jobsite answering, forgive me...the
Micro is 5-0-1 i think
Gro is 2-1-6
Bloom is 0-5-4
So 1:0:6 is ratio shorthand for 1part Micro to 6 parts bloom...no matter what volume you do it in that's the ratio you keep.
Now add up the parts...1 part of micro+6 parts bloom gives what NPK values?
Yes you do need all factors to be told,
for diagnosing
give you an an example they could be over watered
In soil of coco
The photos do exhibit that but it could be Ann array of other things like go low of a temp when lights off or on or all
or you could even be in deep water culture and running nothing to add oxygen and suffocating your roots
hope you find your answers keep on learning
for diagnosing
give you an an example they could be over watered
In soil of coco
The photos do exhibit that but it could be Ann array of other things like go low of a temp when lights off or on or all
or you could even be in deep water culture and running nothing to add oxygen and suffocating your roots
hope you find your answers keep on learning
Ahhh I get it, nice. thank you mudballs! Er, um, isnt 4 x 6 = 24?
ah just teasing, I get it tho man thank you ill try this. You use this all the way through veg? What about flowering? Have you tried this on clones?
mudballs
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4 x 6 = 24 +1 from the NPK of Micro gives us the 25 potassium. Yes, clones is what made me go looking for increased root production actually. I only use that for about 2 weeks or so, then i go to 2ml Micro 4ml Bloom mix. i just want to get more roots in those 16oz cups so i can transplant sooner. If i just leave them (seedlings/clones) alone without feeding, they don't get a nice rootball fast enough.Ahhh I get it, nice. thank you mudballs! Er, um, isnt 4 x 6 = 24?