Is This Ca Casued By Lockout Due to Previous Overwatering??

As per my previous post about the mother plants in flower. It was pointed out that these clones were in soil too hot to be directly planted in as well as being over watered. A couple days ago my wife transplanted them into a balanced professional nursery seedling mix. They don't seem upset with the move. But the latest pic she sent me show a better example of the damage already done. I am just trying to get better at diagnosing my problems. Any input would be of great help.

They are a clone each from the three Bubblegun's I have in flower. The three in flower were started from seed. When she transplanted my wife didn't think to move the label sticks. But I know the center clone is from the plant doing the best right now in flower. So I think I'll be flowering the other two clones here pretty quick, after i have given them a chance to bounce back a bit, and turning the center into my mother plant for this strain. It seems to be more idiot proof than the other two.

Bumplestilskin

They were nute burnt and stressed so the topping stressed them even more giving you slow growth. They will come back but the necrotic leaves wont. Only water when the plant has recovered and drinking again.

Thanks Buds.

They are on straight pHed water with 2 drops per gallon Superthrive to bump up the roots. Watered in with soluble Myco. There is still a rather large hunk of the original super soil they were in that burnt them. Told the wife to water them in the sink when they are dry and put the pHed water to them generously to try and leech out the excess and then let them completely drain in the sink before putting them back in the cabinet.

Topping wasn't the best idea. but the new growth looked healthy and I was out of room to raise my lights in the lower cabinet. I, well my wife, cloned the cuttings and they seem to all three have taken and struck roots.

Yes either nute burn or possibly a Potassium deficiency. hard to tell without a closeup on the sick leaves. Adding a high quality rooting promoter will help. ryzotonic, ryzofuel etc will help bucket loads.

I have some root stimulator on order. I'm just super leery about feeding much of anything now considering I fried the living shit out of the mothers and got the clones from them off to a bad start by sticking them in the exact same high nute soil. The soil had a pretty fair spread of nutes but I think I locked a lot of it out by over watering. I've learned my lesson though. Seedlings and clones go in nursery soil only from here on. Only using the SS in the bottom 1/3 of my finishing container.... Still seriously fighting the urge to toss in a cup or so of the SS in my clone planting mix to give them a little extra to gnaw on while they veg up to flowering size. The whole point with using the SS is to avoid having to dose nutes as they grow and I'd like to keep as close to that as possible.

Have you thought of using Coco? good water retention and none of the problems associated with soil nutes and young plants!
Just a thought.

I've given most all the common growing mediums/methods pretty serious thought. I'm not selling, so max possible yield isn't my primary concern. My wife and I both are drawn to organic growing. And I can admit it's purely for philosophical reasons. We are recreational consumers. I do use MJ for pain management and to help me deal with PTSD.... but these are just additional side benefits to getting high because I like to be high. So the "chemicals this" and "patients deserve clean medicine" bit doesn't apply to us. We just like knowing we are growing and using organic weed purely for the satisfaction of knowing it's natural and for the taste. Nothing beats the taste of good organic (and properly cured) weed.

The early drawbacks to dialing in are going to be worth the long run benefit of having the "just water and grow" capability of organic soil.

You can easilly grow coco organicly.

Maybe my version of organic is a little more hardcore than most. If I can't recognize the source product it isn't organic to me. Bottled organic nutrients may be organic as organic can be. But it's the bottle bit I have issue with. I locally source almost 100% of the components I use in my growing. That's part of my connection with the growing process. Hell, even the perlite I use is from mica mined in my area and processed here. I produce 100% of my own chicken, horse, sheep, cow, rabbit & goat manures. I raise my own worms and use all my own castings. The compost I use is from my own garden/yard waste. The bloodmeal I use is from a local meat processor and 100% of what I purchase from him is from blood processed from animals I have raised and sent to him to be processed. I have pounds of crushed egg shell from raising my own chickens. I collect and compost tons of moss harvested from our local irrigation canals gladly delivered to my property by the irrigation district workers. Hell I even make my own fishmeal from harvested carp I process from fish taken during the three bowfishing tournaments I organize here annually. I save all my wood ash from my wood burning stove. About the only thing I use that isn't from here locally are peat, azomite rock dust, epsom salt, agg lime, agg sulfer (from the other side of the state though) and agg gyp...

I am not trying to be high and might nor think my garden is better than anybodies. I do it because I enjoy doing it. I have half of the year off...... so doing stuff like this is how I keep myself occupied and entertained. Turning compost piles by hand can get pretty intense when you are higher than a giraffes ass.....

All that organic rhetoric aside. I do use stuff like Superthrive, bottled kelp extracts and fish emulsions. But if I can help it I like to know where it's coming from.

No worries. I admire your organic tendancies and local loyalty. dunno maby try growing your clones/seeds in a almost bare no nutrients whatsoever soil in very small pots till you can then upgrade to like a seedling mix or something.

it doesnt look like burn to me, it looks like a lockout causing deficiancy. i would need a close up of the leaves to give you some exacts.

can you post a close up?

I'll have to have my wife send a close up pick as I am 2 states away from home at work. It very well could be a lockout.... we were over watering. That can cause a lockout right? The clones were transplanted out of the hot soil I had then in into a very mild seedling nursery mix made here at a local nursery. All I did to the new soil is cut it with an additional 1/3 of perlite to improve drainage.

Here is a close up of the affected leaves. I'll also post pics of the youngest clones that were also in the hot soil and them now that they have been in the nursery seedling mix for the better part of a week.

The first is the problem plant in question. The third is the little clones (and bigger) before being taken out of the hot soil. The second is the two little clones a almost a week later in seedling mix cut with perlite.

Looks like deficiency. magnesium or phosphorus. quite possibly due to root rot! I went through my notes,pics etc and compared and thats what I came up with. me personally I would fongarid to make sure there is no root rot then flush with ph'd water and let them dry out somewhat and take it from there.

My wife up-canned them when she swapped out the hot soil for seedling mix. She said all three had fairly descent white root balls. I made sure she inspected the roots for browning and slime after she washed the roots clean of the old soil. She did say that the center clone (best looking) had a very dense root structure and she couldn't gently shake any of the dirt loose w/o dipping the root ball in pHed water w/ Superthrive. The other not so swell looking plants had OK structure but she was able to get a fair amount of the SS to shake free before dipping. They are all in a balance mild soil mix now. On the pH lockout issue. I my wife purchased a new soil pH probe because the one I had wasn't showing a lick of difference between the pH of the old Super Soil and that of the new seedling mix. Turns out my old meter was whacked out. The pH of the damned Super Soil was 8.5...... Pretty damned well says my soil was pH locked and not allowing the roots to uptake nutrients that were present in abundance in the soil. The next watering they will get a dose of soluble Myco and a pinch of epsom. Thanks for the help

Pleasure to have helped buddy. Good Luck.