Is this a hermie?

BongerChonger

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Wow thank you so much for taking the time for your detailed response. Highly appreciated!!
No worries!
If you want some source material I've included some. Of an experiment conducted on Cannabis sex chromosomes, I found a while back.
I think it's really valuable information, happy to share.

p.s. - good luck too, never know. Chance you might only get a few seeds, or, next to none.
 

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Seanf610

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Hello thank you for your answer:) i was asking chatgpt why would they go brown and we came to a conclusion that it might be from physical damage (rough handling) probably while i was plucking hundreds of sacs. Chatgpt also informed that those are pistils growing from the calyxes and their sole purpose is to catch pollen and i shouldn't be worried about them turning brownish as this won't effect the quality/potency of the buds. Do you agree? :)
Yes I agree also, you plucked sacs? So it may be hermie I’m sure there’s a way to get it on track or just use it for more seeds. It’s cool when you have two plants that mix but I guess this one is different. As long as you manicure it, you could probably get some good bud or quality seeds and just regrow those, they’ll be more adapted to your environment so it’ll be like having your own strain kinda. And also the potency shouldn’t be effected I don’t think it’ll probably be at least 15% thc which is good enough for me.
 

Phytoplankton

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I would get the idea of "stress = hermie" outa your head. Honestly you'll feel much better.
And you won't be chasing your tail, trying to fix something which mightn't be there, every time you get an intersex plant.

Seems it's your only plant, so just pluck on, if you can be bothered.
I'd say it'll be very likely you'll get seed. You'll be able to tell soon.
Who knows, might get lucky.


That really depends on what you call female...I'd suggest a dioecious plant lacks the ability to do either of those things, naturally, without human intervention.
Far as I can tell, all plants that hermie, lack the male markers when testing and indicate XX chromosome. Nanners, bananas or balls, it doesn't matter.
I really think dioecy is an important distinction to make, because of this.

Also, I think it's important to recognize the term "hermaphrodite" refers to a perfectly formed, or complete flower in botany and horticulture.
What is referred to as a "true hermie" in the mj community, is actually monoecious by description. (separate M+F flowers on the same plant)
I'm no botanist, when I say I'm having a difficult time visualizing what a perfectly-formed cannabis flower looks like?
Given the flowers we see, are essentially clusters of individual flowers themselves?

It's all monoecy at the end of the day, pretty sure.
In the sense they have both male and female reproductive organs, on the same plant, but not the same flower.
And, that not all monoecious plants are hermaphrodite.

I agree with you, keeping seeds from a hermie, will likely result in more hermie plants. Inevitable if selecting them.
Only disagree with you on the taxonomy.
Also, if we consider for a moment, that you can't distinguish a female cannabis plant from an intersex cannabis plant, by it's chromosome markers. Then it's a very slippery slope, suggesting, plants that grow bananas not balls, will result in female seed. How can we tell?
Or, that the plant showing intersex traits is "female". A dioecious female plant, that grows bananas late stage, categorically isn't dioecious at all.

I don't mean to rant, sorry, if it seems that way!
Every question is genuine, I'm not claiming to be any expert, either.
There's lots of misinformation about cannabis online, as you're more than likely aware. Takes a lot of time to sift through it. In my opinion, plant hermaphroditism is one area that's very difficult to find reliable information on. Lots of contradictions and confusing theories.
I think we're in brutal agreement on most points. Part of the problem is the mixing of botanical terms and horticultural terms, they don't alway mesh. BTW, I am a botanist, at least by education. Cannabis is considered a diecious plant, but, in about 2-5% of the plants they have both sex organs (balls not nanners), which makes them hermaphrodites. Nanners are a different animal, they are not fully formed males flowers and are part of a process called rodelization, and I would not consider them hermaphrodites (but some might). I have often seen perfectly formed male flowers sticking out of mostly female bud. Technically flowers are an "inflourescence" and cannabis flowers are defined as a highly branched compound raceme.
 

BongerChonger

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I think we're in brutal agreement on most points. Part of the problem is the mixing of botanical terms and horticultural terms, they don't alway mesh. BTW, I am a botanist, at least by education. Cannabis is considered a diecious plant, but, in about 2-5% of the plants they have both sex organs (balls not nanners), which makes them hermaphrodites. Nanners are a different animal, they are not fully formed males flowers and are part of a process called rodelization, and I would not consider them hermaphrodites (but some might). I have often seen perfectly formed male flowers sticking out of mostly female bud. Technically flowers are an "inflourescence" and cannabis flowers are defined as a highly branched compound raceme.
Thanks a lot for the clarification, Phytoplankton!

I suppose, I'm confused about the term "rodelization"? As I've only ever been able to find it on Cannabis related websites. And the theoretical distinction, of a Dioecious plant, lacking the natural ability to self-reproduce, throws a big spanner in the works.
It's a very confusing term.

And, I'm not against hermaphrodite / monoecious Cannabis plants. They're fascinating. I personally think there's a lot more of them, in the gene pool, than they get credit for.
Nor, do I deny stress per-se can cause an otherwise female plant to herm. After all, environment does effect a plants own expression.
Though, I believe it's all a big game of numbers and physical space, with varying environments.

To me, there's only 1 semi-reliable way of distinguishing female dioecy, through stress testing?

Thanks and cheers, Phyto.
 

Phytoplankton

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Thanks a lot for the clarification, Phytoplankton!

I suppose, I'm confused about the term "rodelization"? As I've only ever been able to find it on Cannabis related websites. And the theoretical distinction, of a Dioecious plant, lacking the natural ability to self-reproduce, throws a big spanner in the works.
It's a very confusing term.

And, I'm not against hermaphrodite / monoecious Cannabis plants. They're fascinating. I personally think there's a lot more of them, in the gene pool, than they get credit for.
Nor, do I deny stress per-se can cause an otherwise female plant to herm. After all, environment does effect a plants own expression.
Though, I believe it's all a big game of numbers and physical space, with varying environments.

To me, there's only 1 semi-reliable way of distinguishing female dioecy, through stress testing?

Thanks and cheers, Phyto.
I'm an old Humboldt State guy from the late 70's, and I can tell you that 2-5% hermies were about the norm for bagseed (mostly mexican ragweed, occasionally Columbian, Panama Red or Acapulco gold (who knows what it really was, that's just what they called it). It also held true when Indica showed and the "skunkweeds" became popular. Almost all were just crosses of bagseed with indica. Another story, but I had a botany professor that was called in a high profile growing case that prompted changes in the Ca cannabis laws.
 

BongerChonger

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I'm an old Humboldt State guy from the late 70's, and I can tell you that 2-5% hermies were about the norm for bagseed (mostly mexican ragweed, occasionally Columbian, Panama Red or Acapulco gold (who knows what it really was, that's just what they called it). It also held true when Indica showed and the "skunkweeds" became popular. Almost all were just crosses of bagseed with indica. Another story, but I had a botany professor that was called in a high profile growing case that prompted changes in the Ca cannabis laws.
I'm with you on the 2-5% average. I believe it. Sounds about right, honestly.
Lol, good times!
Wish you had some of that 70's seed, I bet.
 

Seanf610

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I'm with you on the 2-5% average. I believe it. Sounds about right, honestly.
Lol, good times!
Wish you had some of that 70's seed, I bet.
I know old timers haze is like that preserved, sorry to interrupt I just had thought about trying that one out, also Kees old school haze is good but it’s so expensive. I might get some seed for those
 

Phytoplankton

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I know old timers haze is like that preserved, sorry to interrupt I just had thought about trying that one out, also Kees old school haze is good but it’s so expensive. I might get some seed for those
For many years I’ve been looking for some old Humboldt skunk weed, found a few that were close, but not quite the same as that old school Humboldt stuff. I can remember driving down the highway in October and it smelled like a herd of skunks had been run over!
 

Seanf610

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For many years I’ve been looking for some old Humboldt skunk weed, found a few
For many years I’ve been looking for some old Humboldt skunk weed, found a few that were close, but not quite the same as that old school Humboldt stuff. I can remember driving down the highway in October and it smelled like a herd of skunks had been run over!
Yea that smell is always nice along the highway must not be the same but I’m sure it’s out there preserved somewhere in someone’s garden or collection. I tried some stuff from a California farm and it showed me the other side of how it can be memorable. It can be completely defining experience so I relate. It must’ve been a good time back in those days.
 

Phytoplankton

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It was the Wild Wild West back then. There were competing interests, the feds wanted to wipe it out, the county wanted to look the other way, since that was where much of the money coming into the county came from. Pretty much if you weren’t obvious and you didn’t cause problems and kept it quiet, you’d be ok.

sorry for hijacking the thread.
 
No worries!
If you want some source material I've included some. Of an experiment conducted on Cannabis sex chromosomes, I found a while back.
I think it's really valuable information, happy to share.

p.s. - good luck too, never know. Chance you might only get a few seeds, or, next to none.
I hope so! I will keep posting updates :) thanks again!
 
Yes I agree also, you plucked sacs? So it may be hermie I’m sure there’s a way to get it on track or just use it for more seeds. It’s cool when you have two plants that mix but I guess this one is different. As long as you manicure it, you could probably get some good bud or quality seeds and just regrow those, they’ll be more adapted to your environment so it’ll be like having your own strain kinda. And also the potency shouldn’t be effected I don’t think it’ll probably be at least 15% thc which is good enough for me.
I found this seed in a bag of Georgia pie (by cookiez) i was wondering how it get there if it's indeed Georgia pie it usually packs thc levels above 24. If this plant will be 20+ i will be happy unfortunately we will never really know the exact level but i wil update about the high ;)
 
It was the Wild Wild West back then. There were competing interests, the feds wanted to wipe it out, the county wanted to look the other way, since that was where much of the money coming into the county came from. Pretty much if you weren’t obvious and you didn’t cause problems and kept it quiet, you’d be ok.

sorry for hijacking the thread.
All good i love hearing these stories :)
 
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