Is it time for flowering???

mrvexx

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So I have a plant growing in a closet in my room under 1 14w cfl, its about a month old now, around a foot high with about 8 branches....is it time to start flowering?? o0 and i just topped it last nite because i didnt want it to grow any taller....

i kno i kno, i should be using like a 25w cfl, ive been told many times but this plant still grew and i read that the bulb i have now if perfect for flowering so it works out just fine...

Also ive been reading about molasses, what mixture of water nd molasses should i use and what exactly does it do??

*Put pics up*
 

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Woomeister

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1. Topping wont stop it growing taller
2. Your lighting is totally insufficient and will not produce more than a few grams of bud
3. Molasses will be of know use without increased lighting and does nothing anyway.
4.waiting for pic....
 

Nike617

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yeah dude you''ll be lucky if you yield a nug lol I would get on getting at least 125 watts minimum if not a 250 watt hps grow light and spend like 190 on your light setup its totally worth it
 

mrvexx

Member
eh i think i stated the watts wrong, cause the bulb is a 14w but it isnt actually 14 watts its alot more i think...i read somewhere thats a good lighting for flowering, and the 25w cfl i should have is labeled as "sunny day" or sumthin like tht on the package, im pretty sure the lighting is aright from what ive read....and yes i kno it could be way better but i dnt have the space so for right now thts what im stuck with....ill go get sum pics now and post it in a minute
 

anberlinaddict

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So I have a plant growing in a closet in my room under 1 14w cfl, its about a month old now, around a foot high with about 8 branches....is it time to start flowering?? o0 and i just topped it last nite because i didnt want it to grow any taller....

i kno i kno, i should be using like a 25w cfl, ive been told many times but this plant still grew and i read that the bulb i have now if perfect for flowering so it works out just fine...

Also ive been reading about molasses, what mixture of water nd molasses should i use and what exactly does it do??

p.s.- ill post pics a lil later

1 14w cfl? are you fuckin dumb ?h hahaha come on dude.. thats common sense bro.
 

northwoodsmoker

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you should 1 to 2 tblspns of molasses to one gallon of water it should hellp fatten up ur budz. i use it for my two girls n the budz got real fat..
 

Brick Top

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3. Molasses will be of know use without increased lighting and does nothing anyway.
So …. Molasses "does nothing anyway?" I find that to be exceeding interesting.






“Molasses and Plant Carbohydrates”
Sugars relating to plant functions for maximum economic
production

Printed by permission of Texas Plant & Soil Lab, Inc.


ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS that affect when and how much sugar to use:

a. How much nitrate is in the soil, and plant sap (petiole test).
b. Soil moisture conditions.
c. Sunlight intensity.
d. Temperature.
e. Wind
f. Fruiting stage / load
g. Growth / vigor [shade lower leaves]
The right amount at the right time can improve fruiting and produce normal plant growth with less attraction for disease and insects.

Needed for healthy plants - fruit production - plant development &
maturity.

Roots take nutrients from the soil and transport them up the stalk thru the
petiole (stem) to the leaves where the sunlight aids the production of
photosynthates (sugars are not the ONLY product of photosynthesis)
carbohydrates (C, H & O), principally glucose (C6H12O6) and then other sugars and photosynthates are formed.

Plant Sugars and other photosynthates are first translocated (boron is essential to the translocation) to a fruiting site.

If fruit is not available, the sugars, along with excess nitrates, spur the rapid vegetative growth of the plant
at the expense of creating fruiting bodies (first sink) for the storage of the sugars.

Once the proper balance of environmental factors (heat units, light intensity, soil moisture, nutrient balance, etc) are met, the fruiting buds form and then fruit formation gets the first crack at the sugar supply.

Any excess sugars are then translocated to the number two sink, (growing terminals,) to speed their growth.

The left-over sugars, etc. then go to the number 3 sink, (the roots,) to aid their growth. Here the new root hairs take up nutrients to help continue the cycle of sugar and other photosynthate produc-
tion, fruiting, growth of terminals and roots.

ADDED SUGARS CAN AID THE PLANT IN SEVERAL WAYS:
-
MOLASSES is probably the best outside source of many sugars, such as table sugar, corn syrup and several more complex sugars such as polysaccharides found in humus products.

- Sugar can be added to the soil in irrigation water, drip & pivot being the most effective.

  • * In the soil it can:
  • - Feed microbes to stimulate the conversion of nitrates to the more
  • efficient NH2 form of N to synthesize protein more directly by the plants.
  • - The roots can directly absorb some of the sugars into the sap stream to
  • supplement the leaf supply to fruit where it is most needed, and ALSO directly feed the roots for continued productive growth.
  • - This ADDED sugar can also help initiate fruiting buds in a steady-slow
  • fashion while maintaining normal growth.
  • -EXCESSIVE amounts of ADDED SUGARS applied foliarly can shock the
  • plant resulting in shortened growth internodes, increased leaf maturity & initiation of excess fruiting sites. This can be a short term effect lasting only a few days.
  • Pollination, soil moisture, nutrient balance and sufficiency as well as
  • adequate light for photosynthate production decide how much of the
  • induced fruit can mature.
 

Nocturn3

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eh i think i stated the watts wrong, cause the bulb is a 14w but it isnt actually 14 watts its alot more i think.
No, it's 14 watts. What you have read is that they are "equivalent to 60 watts" or some such shit.

That is meaningless for growing purposes, since they are being compared to normal incandescent bulbs, which are highly inefficient. 14 watts of CFL is 14 watts, no more.

You will yield next to nothing from that bulb alone.
 

mrvexx

Member
Aright so what cfl bulbs do u recommend?? because ive been growing with that bulb nd it seems to be working fine....take a look at the pics and lemme kno what u think...
 

Mizuta3

New Member
you need to invest in some real lights man. or just find one( i found a 650 watt bulb in a 1000 watt light with built in ballast on the side of a fucking building and have been growing dank indoor with it ever since.....)
 

Nocturn3

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That plant will yield virtually nothing. If you think it is growing okay, it's because you have nothing to compare it to. It's tiny, stretched, and light deprived. I'd guess that it will yeld 2-3 grams at most.

If you use lots of those lights, you may be in with a chance, but one 14 watt bulb really isn't worth the effort. You should aim for around 60-80 ACTUAL watts of CFL per square foot of grow space, if you want it to grow to it's full potential.
 

Hogg

Active Member
Grab at least 2 more 42w (actual) 2600k (AKA Soft White) CFL bulbs, you can get these at Walmart for like $8. This should be enough to get you a quarter or so off your one plant.
 

donkeyote

Active Member
go to home depot, spend 2.50 and get a y socket splitter, then spend 5 dollars on 2 26 watt 2700k CFL's. 2700k is the 'color temperature', it is clearly labeled. For less than ten dollars you might actually get something decent from that plant, if not, then you might as well be growing oregano for all bud that you will get with a 14 watter.

Molasses will add a few micronutes and a tiny bit of N as well as feeding any microbeasties in the soil. As long as you aren't overwatering and getting good drainage, then by all means, use it, just make sure its backstrap molasses.

The pic is what i was able to with 2 26 watt cfls, at three weeks of veg. You said your at one month, see a difference?
 

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mrvexx

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go to home depot, spend 2.50 and get a y socket splitter, then spend 5 dollars on 2 26 watt 2700k CFL's. 2700k is the 'color temperature', it is clearly labeled. For less than ten dollars you might actually get something decent from that plant, if not, then you might as well be growing oregano for all bud that you will get with a 14 watter.

Molasses will add a few micronutes and a tiny bit of N as well as feeding any microbeasties in the soil. As long as you aren't overwatering and getting good drainage, then by all means, use it, just make sure its backstrap molasses.

The pic is what i was able to with 2 26 watt cfls, at three weeks of veg. You said your at one month, see a difference?

damnn i deff need more lights...ive done a good amount of research and simply reading around this site nd i never realized tht the amount of lights effect the yeild....or i jus smoke too much lol....

thanks everyone ill try nd upgrade my lighting today...i appreciate the help alot
 

Brick Top

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damnn i deff need more lights...ive done a good amount of research and simply reading around this site nd i never realized tht the amount of lights effect the yeild....or i jus smoke too much lol....

thanks everyone ill try nd upgrade my lighting today...i appreciate the help alot

If you want to know what it takes in CFL lighting (in actual watts) to equal HID lighting (which hands down totally blows away CFL lighting when it comes to grams produced per watts used) check out the attached chart. The comparison on the chart is made to a 400-watt HID light but with some simple math skills someone can pretty much figure out what their CFL light capabilities are compared to whatever amount of light they would like to have if using HID lighting.
 
But even equaling HID lighting will not equal production. It will only get you closer to doing so.
 
Also notice that when you total up the actual wattage used by CFL when equaling HID lighting CFLs will use more wattage.

The less efficient your type of lighting is the more wattage of it will be needed to equal HID lighting.
 
No, it's 14 watts. What you have read is that they are "equivalent to 60 watts" or some such shit.

That is meaningless for growing purposes, since they are being compared to normal incandescent bulbs, which are highly inefficient. 14 watts of CFL is 14 watts, no more.

You will yield next to nothing from that bulb alone.
ok so this seems to be turning out be be just an arguement over wattage...so as far as my bulbs go im running (3) 26 watt cfl's which are producing a total of 300 watts....my baby seems to be growing pretty quick... so back to the original question....when is the perfect time to start flowering? i have read that when the plant gets its 6th set or so of leaves, that would be a good time to switch over? correct?
 

Woomeister

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You are very handy with scissors... I havent read one post based on your personal experience only cut and paste. Molasses does nothing imo based on my experience in growing and study. If it were so necessary then why do the top growers onhere not use it and why is it not a staple in all gardening shops in general? In high doses molasses will actually cause root fungus and other problems.
 
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