Is it ready or not? Trichomes pics attached

matakumbaPro

matakumbaPro

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Hi,

this is my first/experimental grow and for last week or two I'm watching trichomes and now they seem mostly cloudy to me, but I don't know maybe I just crave it too much and my judgement is cloudy rather than the trichomes.

I took pics with USB miscroscope on several different buds. Pistils looks similar on both plants, on upper buds are like 75% dark orange and lower buds aprox. 55% dark orange.

Pics attached are:
- Gorilla Glue Auto on pics 583, 615 and 650
- Blueberry Auto on the rest

Also a question about harvesting.
- I'll try to make some butter from the trim left overs
- But what do I do with the fan leaves? Are they any good? Hash maybe or?
 

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Midnight Warrior

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matakumbaPro said:
Sorry, I'm new and I fucked up a lot already, don't want to harvest at wrong time as well so I decided to take some photos and ask for help :(
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I understand I have a post here as well not too far down. More than welcome to peruse the kind of help you can expect. I would love to help, but I am still new at this myself.
 
Thundercat

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Midnight Warrior said:
These threads are kind of a waste of time, all anyone ever says is 2 weeks. Better off finding someone you know to get help.
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Thats not true at all. I regularly tell people 3-4 weeks, and explain exactly why thank you very much. Many times it is 2 more weeks, but most times I think people say that out of habit with the expectation that the person will be posting again in a week and it still not being ready. It isn't usually an exact science, especially when you equate in the factors of environment and plant phenotype. Some cultivars will mature in a 1-2 week period, some take 3-5 weeks to properly ripen.

To the OP: I see tons of clear trichomes still, which makes me want to see the whole plant before I even give a guess on time frame.

Most plants mature with pretty typical chain of events. FIRST the plants will get to a point where they seem to stop growing. Then the stigma(pistils) will turn reddish and shrink back towards the buds.

This is when you start checking trichomes on the buds no sooner!! Try to make sure you look at them from an angle so you aren't seeing the trichome stalks magnified through the head. That will make them look cloudy even when still being clear, and I think that is what is happening to you here.

After the stigma shrink, the buds won't seem to be growing much, but they are swelling internally. The individual bracts(calyx) will swell up and look fat, and the trichomes will ripen with the buds at this point. This whole process usually takes between 2-3 weeks, but some strains it might happen a little faster or slower.

Now here is an important thing to remember..........

You will not OVER ripen these plants! Period, I've never seen someone accidently overripen plants. It takes SEVERAL weeks of ignoring your plant to get to that point.

It is very easy to harvest early, it is very hard to wait till the plant is ripe, and even harder to let it go too long.

Take a deep breath and relax, plants have multiple weeks as a harvest window. I would love to see whole plant pictures, and I'll be glad to help you dial in when that is for your plants. :)
 
jungle666

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Thundercat said:
Thats not true at all. I regularly tell people 3-4 weeks, and explain exactly why thank you very much. Many times it is 2 more weeks, but most times I think people say that out of habit with the expectation that the person will be posting again in a week and it still not being ready. It isn't usually an exact science, especially when you equate in the factors of environment and plant phenotype. Some cultivars will mature in a 1-2 week period, some take 3-5 weeks to properly ripen.

To the OP: I see tons of clear trichomes still, which makes me want to see the whole plant before I even give a guess on time frame.

Most plants mature with pretty typical chain of events. FIRST the plants will get to a point where they seem to stop growing. Then the stigma(pistils) will turn reddish and shrink back towards the buds.

This is when you start checking trichomes on the buds no sooner!! Try to make sure you look at them from an angle so you aren't seeing the trichome stalks magnified through the head. That will make them look cloudy even when still being clear, and I think that is what is happening to you here.

After the stigma shrink, the buds won't seem to be growing much, but they are swelling internally. The individual bracts(calyx) will swell up and look fat, and the trichomes will ripen with the buds at this point. This whole process usually takes between 2-3 weeks, but some strains it might happen a little faster or slower.

Now here is an important thing to remember..........

You will not OVER ripen these plants! Period, I've never seen someone accidently overripen plants. It takes SEVERAL weeks of ignoring your plant to get to that point.

It is very easy to harvest early, it is very hard to wait till the plant is ripe, and even harder to let it go too long.

Take a deep breath and relax, plants have multiple weeks as a harvest window. I would love to see whole plant pictures, and I'll be glad to help you dial in when that is for your plants. :)
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Well said cat , as I said earlier maybe in another thread,I thought my plant had a week to go, that was 3 weeks ago I’ll post some pics of it Monday
 
Thundercat

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jungle666 said:
Well said cat , as I said earlier maybe in another thread,I thought my plant had a week to go, that was 3 weeks ago I’ll post some pics of it Monday
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I really try man. When I started out growing I didn't have anyone to learn from or talk to. Then a few years later I found this site, and there was lots of really knowledgeable growers that were very helpful in my journey to find my way. After a few years and a few hundred plants, I got to a point where I was starting to really understand the plants better, and I could start helping others avoid some of the usual mistakes we all made at one point.

This whole process is about understanding the biology of the plants and what they are trying to say. Avoiding common weed grower broscience and mistakes is often harder then the actual growing though.
 
matakumbaPro

matakumbaPro

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Thundercat said:
Thats not true at all. I regularly tell people 3-4 weeks, and explain exactly why thank you very much. Many times it is 2 more weeks, but most times I think people say that out of habit with the expectation that the person will be posting again in a week and it still not being ready. It isn't usually an exact science, especially when you equate in the factors of environment and plant phenotype. Some cultivars will mature in a 1-2 week period, some take 3-5 weeks to properly ripen.

To the OP: I see tons of clear trichomes still, which makes me want to see the whole plant before I even give a guess on time frame.

Most plants mature with pretty typical chain of events. FIRST the plants will get to a point where they seem to stop growing. Then the stigma(pistils) will turn reddish and shrink back towards the buds.

This is when you start checking trichomes on the buds no sooner!! Try to make sure you look at them from an angle so you aren't seeing the trichome stalks magnified through the head. That will make them look cloudy even when still being clear, and I think that is what is happening to you here.

After the stigma shrink, the buds won't seem to be growing much, but they are swelling internally. The individual bracts(calyx) will swell up and look fat, and the trichomes will ripen with the buds at this point. This whole process usually takes between 2-3 weeks, but some strains it might happen a little faster or slower.

Now here is an important thing to remember..........

You will not OVER ripen these plants! Period, I've never seen someone accidently overripen plants. It takes SEVERAL weeks of ignoring your plant to get to that point.

It is very easy to harvest early, it is very hard to wait till the plant is ripe, and even harder to let it go too long.

Take a deep breath and relax, plants have multiple weeks as a harvest window. I would love to see whole plant pictures, and I'll be glad to help you dial in when that is for your plants. :)
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Nice read, that's what I am after => information <=

I will take some pics of whole plant and upload tomorrow, been working 16h shift today and too tired to do it now (bed in a minute).

I'm thankful and I really appreciate your post!
 
matakumbaPro

matakumbaPro

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Thundercat said:
I really try man. When I started out growing I didn't have anyone to learn from or talk to. Then a few years later I found this site, and there was lots of really knowledgeable growers that were very helpful in my journey to find my way. After a few years and a few hundred plants, I got to a point where I was starting to really understand the plants better, and I could start helping others avoid some of the usual mistakes we all made at one point.

This whole process is about understanding the biology of the plants and what they are trying to say. Avoiding common weed grower broscience and mistakes is often harder then the actual growing though.
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Pics; BB is Blueberry and GG is Gorilla Glue.

They are 3 days from 13 weeks (12.5 weeks), since sprouted. On seed provider website they claim for both of these two strains (Gorilla Glue Auto + Blueberry Auto), aprox. 9-10 weeks from seed to harvest.

RH in tent is aprox. 45-47% and temp is 23-24C
 

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Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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still way too many white hairs, still way too many clear trichs.....3 to 4 weeks...and it looks like you've been overfeeding...that "fade" looks like at least half of it is tip burn from too much nutes.
you can't trust the breeders "estimate"...i've yet to see one come within a month of being right...
is the "swell" over? have most of your pistils turned color and drawn up? and finally, are, at the very least, half your trichs good and milky?
 
matakumbaPro

matakumbaPro

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
still way too many white hairs, still way too many clear trichs.....3 to 4 weeks...and it looks like you've been overfeeding...that "fade" looks like at least half of it is tip burn from too much nutes.
you can't trust the breeders "estimate"...i've yet to see one come within a month of being right...
is the "swell" over? have most of your pistils turned color and drawn up? and finally, are, at the very least, half your trichs good and milky?
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Thanks for your input.

I will give them just PH-ed water today to mediate the nutes burn.

I don't know what the "swell" would be, but watching trichs is really hard for me (they look milky to me, but then again I propably look at clear trich at wrong angle (tried all angles) and I guess the light plays a role in making it look cloudy/milky). I guess I will learn with time =)
 
Thundercat

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Yeah pretty much agree with roger. They could use some more time.

The "swell" happens to the individual bracts(calyxs). They will each fatten up and look plumper then they ever did the rest of the grow.

All breeder times are very loose guidelines. But frankly any breeder that states a time from seed to harvest is extra Loose lol, and verging on total bullshit.

The breeder might have had a plant that finished in that time in their grow, but it will not be the same in your grow. Your environment will effect how the plant grows and how long it all takes.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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matakumbaPro said:
Thanks for your input.

I will give them just PH-ed water today to mediate the nutes burn.

I don't know what the "swell" would be, but watching trichs is really hard for me (they look milky to me, but then again I propably look at clear trich at wrong angle (tried all angles) and I guess the light plays a role in making it look cloudy/milky). I guess I will learn with time =)
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the "swell" is the clayxes fattening up, when your buds can just about double in size and weight, usually about a month before they're going to be ready, roughly
and the angle you look at trichs is important, they have a ring around the bottom,that ring and the base of their stalk can make them look milky when viewed from directly overhead, you have to look at them from the side to see if they're really milky ripe or not
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see how the ones you see from the above look whitish, but the ones you can see from the side are obviously still clear?
Trichomes_6.jpg the stipe cells, secretory cells, and the basal cell will reflect light, and make them look milky when they aren't yet...
 
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