Is healthcare a right?

Yeah its funny, in the south all soda is called Coke, in the east its soda and in the north its pop. West coast its a beverage.

Nobody has a right to another persons life, possessions or labor. All transactions that do not involve us are none of our business. All transactions should be consensual. You have a right to healthcare. Others have a right to buy theirs, yours or not participate at all.

Yes, nobody has a right to trespass on or take another's property. But we are trying to have a society here. Do you have a "choice" to give "consent" on fuel taxes, 911 surcharges; things like that, which benefit everyone even though you don't use all of the roads and may go your entire life without calling 911?

Get over it, they aren't going to NEED to take jack shit from you. We've been fleeced for decades through wage slavery. Do you really think a person with a billion dollars has really worked hard to earn it?

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Yes, nobody has a right to trespass on or take another's property. But we are trying to have a society here. Do you have a "choice" to give "consent" on fuel taxes, 911 surcharges; things like that, which benefit everyone even though you don't use all of the roads and may go your entire life without calling 911?

Get over it, they aren't going to NEED to take jack shit from you. We've been fleeced for decades through wage slavery. Do you really think a person with a billion dollars has really worked hard to earn it?

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Hello. Thought I'd respond to your post.

The kind of society I would like and will participate in is one where extortion is not used or condoned. Do you advocate another kind?

I do not participate in wage slavery. How hard a person works or doesn't work is not justification for taking something that doesn't belong to you, it is a rationalization. If I had a billion dollars, I'd likely put alot of it to use helping others. Since I don't have that kind of money, I help others in different ways, by my own choice. I'd never force anybody to "help" somebody though. Would you?

I wouldn't put a gun to their heads or anything, but I do believe the need to sit on billions of dollars and collect a return on every penny is a mental illness and a crime against humanity.

Did you read all of my posts in this thread? I'm sorry, nice to meet you, I didn't want any of that to come off in any sort of negative way or anything. Gimme a little more time, I have a much better way I could be putting this but it's on the tip of my tongue.

How long will it take for our Health care system to opperate as well as the public school system does?
The idea that Goverment should do what people don't want to do for themselves is a foolish idea.
I have an idea to motivate thoose who abuse the system: Work, or starve. How's that for a basic right? It's all about choices, best of all it's freedom.
If you feel no desire to help yourself, then why should anyone else feel the need to help.
To many people who want to help themselves to waste time on a few dirt bags we'd all be better off without anyway

There are much, MUCH deeper issues at play, when you look at the public school system. Don't shit yourself. I'm not saying this government, as it is, should have control over what it's already got.

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I wouldn't put a gun to their heads or anything, but I do believe the need to sit on billions of dollars and collect a return on every penny is a mental illness and a crime against humanity.

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You won't find any Billionaires sitting on their money. Rich people got that way by making their money work for them, not by losing a percentage every day to inflation from it just sitting there. You are very naive if you think rich people have done nothing to deserve what they have. Perhaps your ill will is directed at those people who inherited great wealth and never had to work for it in the first place.

THAT is ridiculous. Practically all of the wealth transfer in this country anymore happens that way.

Social mobility? Didn't I go over that?

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I wouldn't put a gun to their heads or anything, but I do believe the need to sit on billions of dollars and collect a return on every penny is a mental illness and a crime against humanity.

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Certainly sharing is a noble thing to do and if a person had a billion dollars it would be easier to help others . I agree putting a gun to somebodies head is wrong if they have not initiated aggression against you first. That is why I oppose forced "charity". A crime against humanity might be to institutionalize violence and call it "government".

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THAT is ridiculous. Practically all of the wealth transfer in this country anymore happens that way.

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Most wealth transfer happens by government decree, to the tune of about 1.4 trillion a year.

That's not true, you've taken that entirely out of context and it doesn't fit.

I'll never be able to explain what I'm trying to say to people wouldn't have wanted to see in the first place. This thread was clearly started for no purpose, I've been drawn into a talking points fight and it's completely ridiculous. No hard feelings though folks, honest to everything.

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I'll never be able to explain what I'm trying to say to people wouldn't have wanted to see in the first place. This thread was clearly started for no purpose, I've been drawn into a talking points fight and it's completely ridiculous. No hard feelings though folks, honest to everything.

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I'm not sure which points you disagree with, but absolutely no hard feelings.

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I'll never be able to explain what I'm trying to say to people wouldn't have wanted to see in the first place. This thread was clearly started for no purpose, I've been drawn into a talking points fight and it's completely ridiculous. No hard feelings though folks, honest to everything.

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Its not a fight, its a discussion. I have no hard feelings at all bro, in the next thread I might be 100% behind you.

Now as far as 1.4 trillion dollars of wealth taken by government and given to someone else every year? Entirely true. Taxes. Far Far Far more money is involved in taxes than inheritance.

I understand that, but a lot of those go to services we all know and love and benefit from. It's not all a bad thing, it's a society. Our government is a total joke and they've squandered and continue to squander so much money it's just unimaginable practically. That needs to change, drastically.

But another thing that needs to change is the attitudes of the people, and it takes a shift in perspective to do that. If we're to have a society, if this country is to survive. It is literally doomed otherwise. These attitudes aren't even doing any good for US, and I include myself in that, I never claimed to have all the answers or solutions. Just ideas at best. This country is breathtakingly narcissistic, from top to bottom almost, it's actually the #1 way the government screws us.

A person that gets the shit kicked out of them for no reason by a cop or by a group of cops will definitely see police brutality as a serious issue, guaranteed.

There are far better men and women than us out there, rotting alive, as we speak. If you could rescue THE DUDE (or DUDETTE or whatever) that could single handedly get us set forever with sustainable electricity, he probably wouldn't look to you like much of a lazy slob parasite. It would be in your best interests to do something. I can argue with "success", it doesn't make anyone right necessarily.

It's basically what Jesus was saying, what modern Christians seem to like to just pretend isn't all that important. To ME, even the most Christian people in this country always seem to be rooting for THE ROMANS, with their bibles and all. Ignorance is the greatest enemy we have. You can't have hatred without ignorance. Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's. Hate the game, not the player, yet still do something about it. It's in your best interests and everything. Ever walk around in a dark room you're not real familiar with? It's the things we THINK are there that make up our reality, right up until we fall through them anyway.

I was baptized and kinda raised Catholic-ish, but I don't really buy into any religion or anything, I've just ended up taking a better look at it all recently and actually found some good stuff in there lol. I'm sorry about the talking points comment, I really didn't and don't want it to come off that way. I don't like it when I say things and they have to be equated to socialism or to Stalin or to Mao or even to Hitler (it fucking happens....). I'm none of those things. I'm me.

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Now as far as 1.4 trillion dollars of wealth taken by government and given to someone else every year? Entirely true. Taxes. Far Far Far more money is involved in taxes than inheritance.

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Wait till they make the inheritance tax more "fair". It will be all tax revenue, and no inheritance to speak of.

There is no inheritance tax right now. It's due to expire soon though. Just so we get this one out of the way right away, it would only affect people who inherit $250,000 or more. It's something narcissistic and wealthy people absolutely cannot stand because they have a need to decide what happens even after they're dead.

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Er wait I think I have that wrong. They did repeal the state tax temporarily, but I think I've got it wrong as far as what it's going to be like if it comes back. Reading up on it now....