Is cannabis use a sin?

Zaehet Strife said:

Until you release your attachment to certainties about god, souls, an afterlife.... then the purpose of your life is not based on honesty with self, it is based on something entirely different. Like i said before, this is neither good nor bad... it is merely your decision, nothing more, nothing less.

We must all walk our own path through life, just because you choose differently than i do, does not make you any more or less of who you are, it just makes you who you are.

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...hey strife, you can't say "it's who you are" and "your life is not based on honesty with self" and not expect that to be taken as something nearly offensive. Do you see that? How are you so certain that my life is not based on honesty with self? Mine, and other's selves You're limiting yourself with your own philosophy, I think. Kind of cancels itself out. Not being a dck.

Because anyone who claims to know for certain that we have souls, or that god exists, or doesn't exist... is not being honest. It seems preposterous to me, and humorous as well, that all of these people in the world who believe in things they can't see, who believe in the possibility of supernatural occurrences of all sorts, do not give credence to any possibility other than their own.

What if, all the experiences you have ever been through, everything that made you think god exists, and spirits and souls exist... what if there is an entity out there, a supernatural one, maybe an evil one... or shit maybe just a neutral one, that is making you think those thoughts and experience those experiences at your expense, just to give this neutral entity pleasure.

Does that seem like a preposterous notion?

It is no more preposterous than the notion that gods, souls, and an afterlife exists.

How can you be certain gods, souls, spirits, an afterlife exist... when the possibility exists that a neutral supernatural entity could merely be filling your head with these ideas and experiences to fool you?

Certainty is not a privilege for those of us who seek honesty with self above all other things in our lives.

It's ok bro, i'm not trying to be mean either even though sometimes it may sound like it.

...cool

Dependent Origination. You have parents, right? Everything depends on that one act. That, my friend, is certain

...as to the preposterous all I can say is, you'll have to eliminate all vices and defects to see that clearly. Me, I'm not quite there. Your soul / psyche is dependent upon all its parts. Cannot negate. Only assimilate - you must.

Yes, but we are not talking about anything based in "reality" here. We are talking about supernatural concepts.

I can be certain that everything in this reality that we can observe in the universe is made up of atoms. (And that i came from my parents)

I cannot be certain that god exists, or doesn't exist, or if we have souls or if there is an afterlife... even if i do want some of those ideas to be true, even if i THINK they are true... if i am to be honest with myself, i have to accept the fact that no matter how much i want there to be an afterlife, or a god, or souls (and i do!)

There might not be....

Zaehet Strife said:

Yes, but we are not talking about anything based in "reality" here. We are talking about supernatural concepts.

I can be certain that everything in this reality that we can observe in the universe is made up of atoms. (And that i came from my parents)

I cannot be certain that god exists, or doesn't exist, or if we have souls or if there is an afterlife... even if i do want some of those ideas to be true, even if i THINK they are true... if i am to be honest with myself, i have to accept the fact that no matter how much i want there to be an afterlife, or a god, or souls (and i do!)

There might not be....

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...the deeper levels (hehe) of spiritual texts describe the act of 'love making' as 'God' - the generator of our race - I believe in Him / Her / It. Without that numero 1 step, no universe for me to observe. The reality is that your psyche / soul is responsible for handing your reality to you. It has an agenda that you'll always be left wondering about.

"You are a slave to what you need in your soul" - Jung (remember that Jung was big on solving the problem of mind - the supernatural)

...I don't think it is a fair assessment to keep "GOD" in a place that you cannot reach him, only to say that He is not there.

I am not trying to say that your beliefs are wrong Eye. All i am trying to say, is that if you want to choose to base the purpose of your existence on honesty with self, you must have enough courage to admit to yourself that your beliefs....

They could be wrong. (Not that they are wrong)

That doesn't mean that you should believe in them any less, or be less passionate about them either. It's just a statement of honesty with self, and ultimately with others, when you realize, understand and accept the fact that everyone's beliefs could be wrong.

There is one main difference between my spirituality and mainstream spirituality. I accept, and understand, that my beliefs... could be wrong. Where others refuse to accept this.

Whichever way you choose is nor more good or bad, no more right or wrong than any other path... it is how we cope with existence, with ourselves, and with uncertainty. Few acknowledge uncertainty, most ignore it... both paths do not differ by much, it all all depends on how much emphasis we choose put on honesty within ourselves.

It would be a sin Not to use cannabis ,
you must take care of your body and soul , and cannabis is really good for you
thats why its here for us

Zaehet Strife said:

It's just a statement of honesty with self, and ultimately with others, when you realize, understand and accept the fact that everyone's beliefs could be wrong.

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...strife, the people who are 'realized' have no need for honesty with everyone including their 'self'. They ARE all of those people - the rest is icing on the cake. The most rare of people have achieved it. That's why billions of people follow those person's teachings. Full of Nothing - Pleroma.

...to the bolded, I wonder what it is that you've realized. Realization is a step up the ladder. It takes snakes below your feet to climb up. That is why you see snakes below the feet of saints. They've done it, they 'know'. As I've said before, there are varying levels of those who know, they occupy the spaces ascending and descending the ladder.

...when you realize that only other people matter, and you want to help them out of 'hell' (the modern mind), when you have nothing but compassion for all sentient beings, when you've tamed your mind - then you can say 'realize'. To make real.

...how many magnetic draws are there to one's mind? Can we even count them? I've started to. It sucks

As i keep trying to explain over and over, if you want to base the purpose of your existence on honesty with self, you must release attachment to certainty.

Too many people find it too difficult to bare uncertainty, this is neither good nor bad, it just is.

Some people need to pretend to know that god exists, that we have souls and that when we die there is an afterlife... some people can be honest with themselves and accept that this might not be the case, but even if we do accept this (as i do)... that doesn't mean we have to stop believing (because i still believe).

It all depends on how honest you want to be with yourself.

We all have two choices;

Accept that our beliefs hold the possibility of being wrong.

Or pretend that our beliefs are certainly true.

One of those choices is more honest than the other, it is up to each individual to choose which path to fallow, both paths lead to the same exact place... who are you are, and who you want to be.

Although in my humble opinion, it takes more courage to live in uncertainty... than live as if you know the answer.




*I believe we have souls, that there is a god and that when i die there is an afterlife so magnificent it can never be explained in words... but i understand that just because i believe these things, does not make it true, i could be wrong. This is true honesty with self, believing... while also accepting the fact that my beliefs could be wrong.

Because the truth is, that no matter what i believe... or what anyone else believes, it doesn't matter... we could ALL be wrong! lol! It's not that scary once you get used to it though, it's actually extremely enlightening, to be able to be so honest with yourself about everything.

It can be a sin if you abuse it, being high all the time is not advisable and could be considered a sin. Using herb for medicinal or spiritual reasons, as long as it it doesn't cause one to stumble seems good to me. Genesis 1: 29. Smoking is harmful to the body, which is God's temple, so that would be considered a sin. But vaporizing or ingesting cannabis seems okay to me.

Zaehet Strife said:

As i keep trying to explain over and over, if you want to base the purpose of your existence on honesty with self, you must release attachment to certainty.

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...I'm going to say one more thing about this. I've said since the very beginning, here, that I am certain we all originated in the sexual act. You seem to think that the religious texts of the world are not there, as if they are imaginary. They're real. So is the deepest message they contain. Any religious truth can be interpreted in 7 ways, and each of those 7 in 7 more ways. Funny how it all comes back to one point, though. So, no, I'm not afraid to say that I know what gives life on earth *shrugs*

Yes, but reproduction is something within this reality. I think you are being honest with yourself if you tell yourself you are certain you came from your parents. We have irrefutable evidence that this is what happens.

If you tell yourself you are certain that god exists, or that we have souls, or if there is an afterlife.... that is NOT being honest, because you could be wrong. I'm not saying you ARE wrong, because it very well could be that god exists, that we have souls and that there is an afterlife.. i sure as hell hope that is the case. My point is, that it very well might not be the case, and if you try to tel yourself you are certain of any of those things... you are not being honest with yourself.

eye exaggerate said:

...I'm going to say one more thing about this. I've said since the very beginning, here, that I am certain we all originated in the sexual act. You seem to think that the religious texts of the world are not there, as if they are imaginary. They're real. So is the deepest message they contain. Any religious truth can be interpreted in 7 ways, and each of those 7 in 7 more ways. Funny how it all comes back to one point, though. So, no, I'm not afraid to say that I know what gives life on earth *shrugs*

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I won't be able to resist, so here goes. The plurality of interpretations of religious texts ... how do we know which one is right? The texts themselves are generally replete with warnings against wrong interpretations. cn

cannabineer said:

I won't be able to resist, so here goes. The plurality of interpretations of religious texts ... how do we know which one is right? The texts themselves are generally replete with warnings against wrong interpretations. cn

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...it's obvious that many interpretations are available. From the basis of existence, which is 'the act' (yeah, I'm tired of saying it), to the rest of what we know. We know the origin is unknowable. We only have the 'tools' of the unknown originator to use for the purpose of making 'itself' known - to itself. Humanity has had it's way with that act, this is also obvious. All of them are right, neer, as far as I can coordinate. Written to the consciousness within, not to the mind. But, how to listen to that voice?

eye exaggerate said:

...it's obvious that many interpretations are available. From the basis of existence, which is 'the act' (yeah, I'm tired of saying it), to the rest of what we know. We know the origin is unknowable. We only have the 'tools' of the unknown originator to use for the purpose of making 'itself' known - to itself. Humanity has had it's way with that act, this is also obvious. All of them are right, neer, as far as I can coordinate. Written to the consciousness within, not to the mind. But, how to listen to that voice?

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They cannot all be right if they keep calling each other wrong. At some point, the sword of discernment needs to be wielded, and the kinetically-processed pile sorted into "keep" and "discard" according to a protocol. Figuring the protocol has eluded me, but if two things contradict, at least one will need to be on the Discard pile. Jmo. cn

cannabineer said:

They cannot all be right if they keep calling each other wrong. At some point, the sword of discernment needs to be wielded, and the kinetically-processed pile sorted into "keep" and "discard" according to a protocol. Figuring the protocol has eluded me, but if two things contradict, at least one will need to be on the Discard pile. Jmo. cn

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...I can dig that. I guess I see contradiction more like a koan

eye exaggerate said:

...I can dig that. I guess I see contradiction more like a koan

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They're lemon ... really ... cn

cannabineer said:

They cannot all be right if they keep calling each other wrong. At some point, the sword of discernment needs to be wielded, and the kinetically-processed pile sorted into "keep" and "discard" according to a protocol. Figuring the protocol has eluded me, but if two things contradict, at least one will need to be on the Discard pile. Jmo. cn

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They can all be right and wrong at the same time. The reason they are or aren't is only because of one thing - you. I don't think right and wrong is the question we should be asking though, because the answer is so much simpler, yet much beyond that.

Cheers,

MS

^circular logic ,everything still comes down to perspective but it is the conveying quality of that perspective that determines whether or not there is any meaningful discussion that can take place,you cant have it both ways when it comes to finding meaning behind answers.

Mister Sister said:

They can all be right and wrong at the same time. The reason they are or aren't is only because of one thing - you. I don't think right and wrong is the question we should be asking though, because the answer is so much simpler, yet much beyond that.

Cheers,

MS

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If they can be all right and wrong... how can you be certain your answer is the correct one?