Is anyone Pro-War?
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1Shot1Kill
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I could stand for fighting in a war if it is brought to you in order to protect yourself but not being the aggressor. The U.S.A. Gov. starts wars for the wrong reason. Anyone hear what that bullhead Barack is doing with Iran now? I heard he was cutting off anyone who supports them including banks that have something to do with buying Iranian oil. I haven't looked into it because I can't spend my life worrying about corruption anymore. Waste of time to try to stop them
1Shot1Kill
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desert dude
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Depends which war you are talking about, there have been several over the course of man's recorded history.
Moses Mobetta
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Im an American and not at all in your description. The American uppercrust elitists and the government they control do. War is horrible, most here are regular people who make up those killed in wars for the most part and have no say in the government. Just an illusion that what they feel really matters when the reality is very different. If Americans loved war as you say then they would have had the balls to wage revolution upon these crooks that run the country a long time ago. The media here, elitists and the government are no doubt why many feel as you do. Those are the real devils in America. The ones who dont go to war and risk their own lives are always the ones who start wars. American people want freedom to be comfortable.
PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1
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Without war there is no peace,,,With war there cannot be peace. Ya gotta blame someone,,,I got in a war not to long ago,,,dumb ass started and continued to piss me off,,,gave him fair warning,,,still would not stop his shit!,,,,So I knocked him out with Fair warning,,,I won,,,The battle not the war with asshole's everywhere...lol....
RyanTheRhino
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I can say the vast majority of Americans are against "war" and what has happened for the last decade. I put "War" in quotations because the last war actually declared by the citizens was WW II. Every other military action has been at the hand of rich individuals with agendas. They higher lobbyist to convince or blackmail congress to "authorize military action" << that is not the same as going to the people for a declaration for war. Before you go and crap out of your mouth about how Americans are blood lusty, know the average citizen never had a say in it.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I am not a pacifist, but like most sane people I despise war. But since peace cannot be secured without the credible threat, "if you start a war with me, I will certainly finish it", I find myself unwilling to embrace pacifism. It's maladaptive, even more so than war itself. cn
richinweed
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in real life..? we only go to war because someone tells us to.....and i hate to start fire works but you have to be kinda weak minded in the first place to evan think of agreeing to something so stupid ....
Farfenugen
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The big bad gubmint always declares war on something or another. Whether that be crime or pot or guns or hatred, the word itself invites all sorts of feelings, as if saying the word actually means it's an easy win. When in fact a war on something is more or less a statement that it's a failure. However, bearing in mind that as a patriotic Canadian (something that's frowned upon these days), if say for instance, China invaded, then sure, I would support war to defend the shores. But when you look at it, we're already being invaded, albeit in an economic sense. Short of going in to how this came about, I blame multiculturalism, that moronic ideology that swept in like a wave.
War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing.
You damn dirty apes!
War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing.
You damn dirty apes!
Smirgen
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Moses Mobetta
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PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1
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I liked a lot of comment's,,,but unlike "SSmirgen",,,you forgot family and weed and your neighbor.
RollMeOne420
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Its a 50/50 debate. Just like everything else we will never agree on anything. But we can agree to disagree 
ThatGuy113
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Britain tried controlling Afghanistan and failed, the Russians tried controlling Afghanistan and failed and we were right there supplying weapons and training to them to fight the spread of red. Then we get to fight the people we trained because of the cold war now in retaliation for 9/11.
You guys to revisit your history and the actually reasons why we are so many places today. I'd suggest starting back at WWI.
We installed Saddam in Iraq decades ago, then Bush's cabinet basically pushed anyone out of the group that disagreed with Rumsfeld or Cheney.
Anyways. All of the politicians in charge during the 60's and 70's were just becoming politicians in the era (30's) of German lie's and start of even more mistrust because of the Munich agreement (American politicians took that as a learning point and vowed appeasement to enemies is not the answer). So after we defeat Hitler in Europe and the Japanese military in WWII we slowly transition to the Cold War. That was our new Hitler and it must be stopped. They must not spread their message because we thought they would try to take over the world with it using unstable countries to gain influence. America's goal is to always make the world "safe for democracy". So we did what we could. Truman Doctrine (Europe), Marshal plan (Europe), Eisenhower Doctrine (Middle East) and SEATO (South East Asia Treaty Organization). The spot light transitioned from Europe to South East Asia where we really mishandled things.
1. Ho Chi Minh actually pleaded for the Truman administration to bring him to Washington to negotiate American help to kick the French out. After WWII we needed France as a Allie against Stalin so to make France happy we gave into their demands that they keep their South East Asian influence. We said no to Ho Chi Minh even after he explained that America was the first country to throw off colonialism and he loved the government makeup of the United States. We said no, a few years later we got into Vietnam.
(side note: the French wanted us to use nuclear bombs on Vietnam)
2. Kim Il Sung wanted to invade south Korea to reunify his country. Stalin didnt allow him to conduct any invasion until there was a mistake made in a speech mentioning all of the spots in Asia where America would defend and the official left South Korea out of the speech. Stalin said alright, its your time to shine Kim Il Sung. THE GOAL OF THE MISSION IN KOREA WAS TO RESTORE THE 38TH PARALLEL AND NOT TO TAKE THE WHOLE COUNTRY. ​ So when we actually restored the 38th, MacArthur wanted to take the whole country. Truman was being told by his advisers not to go to far north because the Chinese would see it as a threat of a homeland invasion. MacArthur said they would never attack. They did. We then got pushed back and drew out the war even longer leaving a bad taste in our mouth instead of just stopping at the 38th parallel.
(side note - MacArthur wanted to bomb China and made that very public as well as issuing a statement to the Chinese government saying they should directly surrender to himself. He was quickly fired.)
3. Iran - We ousted the Leader of Iran during the Eisenhower administration because the ousted leader tried nationalizing oil fields. Oil prices would of skyrocketed so we changed out the leader. CIA ftw. On top of that you have the whole Jimmy Carter hostage crisis creating a even deeper crack in our relations. (Besides you should be more worried about Pakistan, they have working nuclear weapons and lie to the international community a lot)
4-Hell, we even pushed Castro to Moscow as well.
The fact is that in the failed wars/conflicts the United States has had have been due to a lack of understanding of the people were actually fighting. We are no longer fighting governments that enforce ideology but rather ideology itself. That being said it is extremely hard to change how people live. We learned that from reconstruction of the South after the Civil War. As soon as federal troops left the South it all went back to how it was before at least on a social level. The Koreans and the Vietnamese showed us that "The strongest military in the world" could be taken down by like LBJ said guys in "Black Pajamas".
Once we realized we could not totally eliminate the will to fight in our enemy in both Korea and Vietnam we went to the negotiation table.
That doesn't cover it all but hopefully you guys will get an idea of the fact is we don't just jump into wars. It may look that way but it really shows how little is known about actual American history and foreign politics. The Cold War created an environment of severe distrust and proxy wars that still affect how we live in the world today.
I think another issue here is we seem to end up in a lot of long running civil war conflicts and fighting that has not been settled in the thousands of years they have been going at it. We expect them to change once the see the "city upon the hill". Shortly after we left Vietnam even more civil war broke out.
I could get into the whole China relations thing too. If needed.
You guys to revisit your history and the actually reasons why we are so many places today. I'd suggest starting back at WWI.
We installed Saddam in Iraq decades ago, then Bush's cabinet basically pushed anyone out of the group that disagreed with Rumsfeld or Cheney.
Anyways. All of the politicians in charge during the 60's and 70's were just becoming politicians in the era (30's) of German lie's and start of even more mistrust because of the Munich agreement (American politicians took that as a learning point and vowed appeasement to enemies is not the answer). So after we defeat Hitler in Europe and the Japanese military in WWII we slowly transition to the Cold War. That was our new Hitler and it must be stopped. They must not spread their message because we thought they would try to take over the world with it using unstable countries to gain influence. America's goal is to always make the world "safe for democracy". So we did what we could. Truman Doctrine (Europe), Marshal plan (Europe), Eisenhower Doctrine (Middle East) and SEATO (South East Asia Treaty Organization). The spot light transitioned from Europe to South East Asia where we really mishandled things.
1. Ho Chi Minh actually pleaded for the Truman administration to bring him to Washington to negotiate American help to kick the French out. After WWII we needed France as a Allie against Stalin so to make France happy we gave into their demands that they keep their South East Asian influence. We said no to Ho Chi Minh even after he explained that America was the first country to throw off colonialism and he loved the government makeup of the United States. We said no, a few years later we got into Vietnam.
(side note: the French wanted us to use nuclear bombs on Vietnam)
2. Kim Il Sung wanted to invade south Korea to reunify his country. Stalin didnt allow him to conduct any invasion until there was a mistake made in a speech mentioning all of the spots in Asia where America would defend and the official left South Korea out of the speech. Stalin said alright, its your time to shine Kim Il Sung. THE GOAL OF THE MISSION IN KOREA WAS TO RESTORE THE 38TH PARALLEL AND NOT TO TAKE THE WHOLE COUNTRY. ​ So when we actually restored the 38th, MacArthur wanted to take the whole country. Truman was being told by his advisers not to go to far north because the Chinese would see it as a threat of a homeland invasion. MacArthur said they would never attack. They did. We then got pushed back and drew out the war even longer leaving a bad taste in our mouth instead of just stopping at the 38th parallel.
(side note - MacArthur wanted to bomb China and made that very public as well as issuing a statement to the Chinese government saying they should directly surrender to himself. He was quickly fired.)
3. Iran - We ousted the Leader of Iran during the Eisenhower administration because the ousted leader tried nationalizing oil fields. Oil prices would of skyrocketed so we changed out the leader. CIA ftw. On top of that you have the whole Jimmy Carter hostage crisis creating a even deeper crack in our relations. (Besides you should be more worried about Pakistan, they have working nuclear weapons and lie to the international community a lot)
4-Hell, we even pushed Castro to Moscow as well.
The fact is that in the failed wars/conflicts the United States has had have been due to a lack of understanding of the people were actually fighting. We are no longer fighting governments that enforce ideology but rather ideology itself. That being said it is extremely hard to change how people live. We learned that from reconstruction of the South after the Civil War. As soon as federal troops left the South it all went back to how it was before at least on a social level. The Koreans and the Vietnamese showed us that "The strongest military in the world" could be taken down by like LBJ said guys in "Black Pajamas".
Once we realized we could not totally eliminate the will to fight in our enemy in both Korea and Vietnam we went to the negotiation table.
That doesn't cover it all but hopefully you guys will get an idea of the fact is we don't just jump into wars. It may look that way but it really shows how little is known about actual American history and foreign politics. The Cold War created an environment of severe distrust and proxy wars that still affect how we live in the world today.
I think another issue here is we seem to end up in a lot of long running civil war conflicts and fighting that has not been settled in the thousands of years they have been going at it. We expect them to change once the see the "city upon the hill". Shortly after we left Vietnam even more civil war broke out.
I could get into the whole China relations thing too. If needed.
really comfy slippers
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Pro Civil War
VILEPLUME
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Here is a theory, if China controls most of our debt and we are obviously having big trouble paying it back, could there be a shift where to pay back the debt, America becomes full of sweat shops and China uses us to make its products?
I say this because I also think we as a people are losing more control and power every year, while our government continues to pass new laws that give them more and more power, not to mention our government growing every year as well, could we get to a point where we as a people are forced to work in sweat shops to pay back our debt? I also feel in a way that we would probably deserve it and I also think most other countries would not shed a tear if it came to that.
I say this because I also think we as a people are losing more control and power every year, while our government continues to pass new laws that give them more and more power, not to mention our government growing every year as well, could we get to a point where we as a people are forced to work in sweat shops to pay back our debt? I also feel in a way that we would probably deserve it and I also think most other countries would not shed a tear if it came to that.