Is a 'nanner-made seed the same as an "S1"?

tstick

tstick

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Is it the same thing if a female plant is chemically-induced to make a few male flowers that are then used to pollinate a female flower on that same plant....AND...a female plant that throws a few 'nanners and produces a seed? In either case, there is no way to get a male plant....right? This is how seeds are feminized....right? I do know from experience, that I've mostly gotten all-female plants from the bag seeds I've grown....with a couple exceptions where I got plants that had both male and female flowers (not just 'nanners)

Furthermore, aren't most all modern hybrids traceable to some kind of "bag seed" if you go back far enough into the early breeding days -the Chemdog story, for example?
 
Fangthane

Fangthane

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When I've had plants that just threw a few seeds (1-5 total), I usually kept them. Only grew a handful of them out over the years, but they were always fems and I don't recall them ever producing a plant that went full hermaphrodite.
 
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conor c

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tstick said:
Is it the same thing if a female plant is chemically-induced to make a few male flowers that are then used to pollinate a female flower on that same plant....AND...a female plant that throws a few 'nanners and produces a seed? In either case, there is no way to get a male plant....right? This is how seeds are feminized....right? I do know from experience, that I've mostly gotten all-female plants from the bag seeds I've grown....with a couple exceptions where I got plants that had both male and female flowers (not just 'nanners)

Furthermore, aren't most all modern hybrids traceable to some kind of "bag seed" if you go back far enough into the early breeding days -the Chemdog story, for example?
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Its luck however u can find stable plants in bagseed but chances are they will carry the herm trait be it dominant or recessive in most of em and imo there is a difference between chemical reversals and stress/rodelization in chemical reversals the ones you wanna use are the ones that dont reverse great or poduce lots of viable pollen as there very stable and wont herm so easy the uk cheese or triangle kush or the north london white rhino cut are good examples of this obviously you will get less seeds but id take quality and sexual stability over numbers any day also plants that throw nanners at the end or near it arent always viable some are some aint depends on the genes i suppose
 
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conor c

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Sativied said:
Most yup. Though sometimes that bag seed is the result from not removing all males early enough and thus not hermie offspring.
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Pretty much your right all the popular american stuff is all bagseed specials but yeah occasionally you might find a male in bagseed just most are accidental s1s ime but then again in theory its possible to find a true male in s1s im not sure about that myself but plenty think its possible kinda like if you reverse a male like you would a female you end up with reg seeds genetics can be a tad quirky i guess at times lol
 
NanoGadget

NanoGadget

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Sativied said:
Most yup. Though sometimes that bag seed is the result from not removing all males early enough and thus not hermie offspring.
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Yup. I am a big softy and hate culling plants that I've raised and I've come close to leaving males too long. I just had to pull a male this morning and I'm bummed because it's a beautiful plant with amazing structure and stem rubs smell heavenly. I really wish I had a space to grow him out because I'd love to harvest pollen, but I have no open spaces at the moment.
 
Sativied

Sativied

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NanoGadget said:
Yup. I am a big softy and hate culling plants that I've raised and I've come close to leaving males too long. I just had to pull a male this morning and I'm bummed because it's a beautiful plant with amazing structure and stem rubs smell heavenly. I really wish I had a space to grow him out because I'd love to harvest pollen, but I have no open spaces at the moment.
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I know the feeling. If you remove a male just before it starts dropping pollen, you can cut off a branch or the top, place it in a glass of water. Cover the glass with alu foil. Place behind window (in a room away from the grow room of course), et voilà, you got a pollen collector. Depends a bit on the season and climate but usually they will continue to flower well enough regardless of the outdoor light (sun's) schedule.
 
madvillian420

madvillian420

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tstick said:
Is it the same thing if a female plant is chemically-induced to make a few male flowers that are then used to pollinate a female flower on that same plant....AND...a female plant that throws a few 'nanners and produces a seed? In either case, there is no way to get a male plant....right? This is how seeds are feminized....right? I do know from experience, that I've mostly gotten all-female plants from the bag seeds I've grown....with a couple exceptions where I got plants that had both male and female flowers (not just 'nanners)

Furthermore, aren't most all modern hybrids traceable to some kind of "bag seed" if you go back far enough into the early breeding days -the Chemdog story, for example?
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the chemdog story is a complex one. For example one Chem (D, i think) is known to have balls however the pollen is almost always non viable.

Also i think chem is known to specifically throw late nanners, even the timing might play a part i believe.
 
NanoGadget

NanoGadget

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I know the feeling. If you remove a male just before it starts dropping pollen, you can cut off a branch or the top, place it in a glass of water. Cover the glass with alu foil. Place behind window (in a room away from the grow room of course), et voilà, you got a pollen collector. Depends a bit on the season and climate but usually they will continue to flower well enough regardless of the outdoor light (sun's) schedule.
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That's a great tip actually! Thanks for that.

To address the OP, I've created and run a ton of s1 and they are as reliably female as you can get. Never had a true male from an s1 and the only time they tend towards throwing nanners is if they come from a lineage prone to it.
 
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