Is a 20,000 watt stealth grow even possible...

OGEvilgenius

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Big ass generator. There have been larger 'stealth' grows. There was a shit load of old train cars in BC buried underground running off generators that got busted. It was in the middle of nowhere and not easy to find. Inside snitch = bust. It was a far far larger operation than you're planning.

If you have the right property and capital, you can get stealthy for sure.
 

legaleyes13

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when your meter is stopped or running backwards they have no way of telling what your using...
What do you mean by stopped or running backwards? I don't follow... why would a meter ever do that? Edit: Nevermind, I think I understand what you're saying.
 

legaleyes13

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Big ass generator. There have been larger 'stealth' grows. There was a shit load of old train cars in BC buried underground running off generators that got busted. It was in the middle of nowhere and not easy to find. Inside snitch = bust. It was a far far larger operation than you're planning.If you have the right property and capital, you can get stealthy for sure.
Yeah, generators seem like the way to go, but I would have to haul a shi.t ton of diesel, propane or gas to power it every day (maybe not, I really don't know about generators, I'm just assuming). I'd imagine that there are some generators that I could hook up to the gas line in my house and do it that way, but then the problem goes from being a high electrical bill to a being a high gas bill and I'm thinking that may raise some flags... maybe not. I've been trying to get some in depth research on this stuff but can't.Really though, I'm only parroting what I've seen other people write online, that generators raise flags and blah, blah, blah. But I really don't get why, other than the reason I stated above. I figure if you can power the lights with a generator then you should be in the clear... but what do I know...If you know anything about generators, please elaborate. Thanks man.Just looking at this generator http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/video/0,,1631573,00.html, I don't see how it isn't do able. Maybe this is still on the grid or what not, I don't know, I'm pretty ignorant to this type of stuff, but I'll keep researching.
 

frankfast

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What do you mean by stopped or running backwards? I don't follow... why would a meter ever do that? Edit: Nevermind, I think I understand what you're saying.
i think he means if your useing solar power when they are not under a load and on the grid it feeds back into the HOLE power grid witch makes your meter go backwards, for a small home and enough solar power the power company could have to pay you instead of you paying them witch they usally just give you as a credit on your bill,

but for what your talking you would need like $100k to get enough solar power to even come close to covering that kind of power
 

guy incognito

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The property I live on is maxing a 110 amp service and almost maxing a 200 amp on top of it. It all depends on placement. We use so much because we are on a well and.. well the pump costs quite a bit. So if you can make up an excuse of some sorts like that(its a little higher but there are people who have $1500 electric bills in my area that are on "wells" so...) making small talk at PG&E helps... They kind of let you in on how many other people are paying as much as you
MY bill is around $1000 a month without growing, when I added in 3200w of light not including the other sht it went up to about $1700 so...
Where the fuck are you that 3200w adds $700 to your bill? And wtf kind of pump are you guys running that your bills are $1000 and other people have $1500? Seriously man, $1500 is more than I pay in an entire year including AC (but not including the grow). Seems like it would be cheaper for you to just purchase bottled water rather than run that well pump. Seriously, you can buy a shit load of bottled water for $1000 each month.
 

robert 14617

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everyone who puts in a pool and hot tub would have to be checked out , not to mention any hobbyist who buys a 110v welding machine , people have high electric bills sometimes its not a red flag
 

frankfast

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Where the fuck are you that 3200w adds $700 to your bill? And wtf kind of pump are you guys running that your bills are $1000 and other people have $1500? Seriously man, $1500 is more than I pay in an entire year including AC (but not including the grow). Seems like it would be cheaper for you to just purchase bottled water rather than run that well pump. Seriously, you can buy a shit load of bottled water for $1000 each month.
no shit my none growing bill a month is like $150 and im in a 3200 square foot home
 

legallyflying

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Let me just say this.. You start drawing 130 amps continually for 12 hours at a time (and this is what it will end up being with AC) on a residential line, your going to get a fucking phone call from the power company.

If you think that having your average power consumption can sky rocket by
2,000% and nobody is going to notice; your too stupid to handle a 20k grow in the first place.

I have run this much wattage in legal states but would never dream of doing it in a non medical state. It would take them all of about 5 minutes to get a warrant on that house. And they don't knock, they will kick your fucking door in and trust me, you will remember that moment for the rest of your life
 

ricky6991

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Pretty stupid thing to do BUT you could always wire your meter to a light switch inside your house... you flick the switch and the meter runs in reverse = takes away from power bill... do that everynight for alittle while and you can get rid of the 20kw worth of a bill. Until they notice so much electric used on the neighborhood grid and not being billed. Then they come looking and sue you for it all an some jail time.
 

OGEvilgenius

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Yeah, generators seem like the way to go, but I would have to haul a shi.t ton of diesel, propane or gas to power it every day (maybe not, I really don't know about generators, I'm just assuming). I'd imagine that there are some generators that I could hook up to the gas line in my house and do it that way, but then the problem goes from being a high electrical bill to a being a high gas bill and I'm thinking that may raise some flags... maybe not. I've been trying to get some in depth research on this stuff but can't.Really though, I'm only parroting what I've seen other people write online, that generators raise flags and blah, blah, blah. But I really don't get why, other than the reason I stated above. I figure if you can power the lights with a generator then you should be in the clear... but what do I know...If you know anything about generators, please elaborate. Thanks man.Just looking at this generator http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/video/0,,1631573,00.html, I don't see how it isn't do able. Maybe this is still on the grid or what not, I don't know, I'm pretty ignorant to this type of stuff, but I'll keep researching.
You can get a large reservoir of fuel (a tank) to go with. And the oil and gas company isn't going to raise red flags, they're just going to be really happy to be doing business with you. You definitely need to think through the fuel delivery though.
 

OGEvilgenius

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By the way, using a generator in a residential area for a 20k grow.... if you're in a typical residential area, this isn't gonna be very stealthy.
 

legaleyes13

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By the way, using a generator in a residential area for a 20k grow.... if you're in a typical residential area, this isn't gonna be very stealthy.
Yeah, I figured it wouldn't, but don't know why it wouldn't. Kind of like it seemed to good to be true.But you seem like you know why it wouldn't, so please enlighten me. Noise, exhaust, hauling fuel?
 

legaleyes13

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Let me just say this.. You start drawing 130 amps continually for 12 hours at a time (and this is what it will end up being with AC) on a residential line, your going to get a fucking phone call from the power company. If you think that having your average power consumption can sky rocket by 2,000% and nobody is going to notice; your too stupid to handle a 20k grow in the first place. I have run this much wattage in legal states but would never dream of doing it in a non medical state. It would take them all of about 5 minutes to get a warrant on that house. And they don't knock, they will kick your fucking door in and trust me, you will remember that moment for the rest of your life
I'm not in the house yet, so there would be no increase in usage.
 

writtin

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no shit my none growing bill a month is like $150 and im in a 3200 square foot home
When there are 2 houses on your property and both are being lived in, + finding out after taking the grow room apart that the house that you were using to grow in was maxing out a 200 amp when it wasn't putting out near that much power. I'm in CA and the regular electric bill is right around $875-$900 a month, just for electricity out here in the mountains. I found out we had a lot of problems with the electricity because the lines were melted and it was a major fire hazard(previous owner had it installed, we didn't check it right out) Got lucky I guess.
 

imchucky666

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i think he means if your useing solar power when they are not under a load and on the grid it feeds back into the HOLE power grid witch makes your meter go backwards, for a small home and enough solar power the power company could have to pay you instead of you paying them witch they usally just give you as a credit on your bill,

but for what your talking you would need like $100k to get enough solar power to even come close to covering that kind of power
If your meter is still capable of turning backwards, you got an OLD fucking meter.
I don't think there's any left out there that will do that, not except maybe a few old trailer parks.
 

legallyflying

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I'm not in the house yet, so there would be no increase in usage.
Oh, ok then. It's not like the power company has no data on what the average electricity usage is based on the sq ft of the home. If you guys think that power companies don't look at usage numbers and create spreadsheets and graphs of power usage for different delivery grids, you should think again. What they do with that info is another story but of your running 4k or more lights rest assured that your popping up.
I had a girlfriend that worked for the power company, you would be surprised at what they know. How do you think they bust people stealing power? That was the funniest thing to her, "ummm hello dumbass, we are in the business of distributing and selling power, when there is a discrepancy between loads and billed KWH, we send someone out to locate where the leak is"
 

OGEvilgenius

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Yeah, I figured it wouldn't, but don't know why it wouldn't. Kind of like it seemed to good to be true.But you seem like you know why it wouldn't, so please enlighten me. Noise, exhaust, hauling fuel?
All three of those factors makes it less than stealthy in a typical residential area. Would be quite stealthy in some though, if you don't have close neighbors etc.

Hauling fuel you can do yourself and you could probably make it look stealthy enough, but noise/exhaust would be the main issue.
 
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