injunction/court case updates

VIANARCHRIS

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Very optimistic. Clearly Manson's attempt to give a court appointed advantage to the LP industry has been a failure. The number of patients approved to use keeps going up, but the LP numbers don't. A small percentage are covered by the injunction so a large number are simply ignoring the ruling.I would be very surprised if the ban on growing is continued. I can definitely see tighter controls, regardless of how unwarranted they are, but I think ALL patients will get to grow.
 

torontomeds

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Many people have questions about the Allard v. Canada Federal Court Trial Division decision coming down Wednesday February 24 at 9am PST. I'll try to touch on some of the more common ones I've seen or been asked today:

1. This is a trial court decision with national effect. If we lose we will appeal to the Federal Court of Appeal and we will seek to continue the protection of the current injunction and/or expand upon it. I don't know if the Crown will appeal if we win. I expect it will and that this fight will continue no matter what the decision is.

2. It is impossible to tell anyone what the impact of the decision will be. In the first place, we don't know if it will be a total win, partial win, partial loss or total loss. We have no ability to impose the remedy we want - we can only ask for relief and the Judge decides what to do.

3. If we lose the Crown argued that the injunction should immediately end and all patients should immediately stop producing medicine or be subject to arrest. We argued that even in a loss situation, the Judge needed to give people time to shut down their gardens and not turn them into criminals overnight. We don't know what the Judge will do.

4. If we win, we don't know what the win will look like. We asked for several possible remedies but the Judge can do what he feels is best according to the Charter. That could include making the current injunction permanent, expanding it, declaring the CDSA invalid and a whole host of other options. It could enable address changes or it may not. He could just declare it unconstitutional to criminalize personal/caregiver medical production, suspend the declaration for 6 months or a year and send it to the government for a response. Any win is likely to include, at least, extending the current injunction because it would be odd to find in favor of a Charter right yet end the injunction that protects patients.
 

OGEvilgenius

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Random inspections! Fear will keep a lot of abusers more in check.
Despite being patients we also have rights. It's one thing to get your electrical work and other stuff looked at on start up. It's a whole other can of worms to make us subject to random government intrusions just because we're sick. Fuck that. That's a bad idea and sets a terrible precedent.
 

TheRealDman

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Despite being patients we also have rights. It's one thing to get your electrical work and other stuff looked at on start up. It's a whole other can of worms to make us subject to random government intrusions just because we're sick. Fuck that. That's a bad idea and sets a terrible precedent.
Absolutely agree!

Read your paperwork people....if you had/have an MMAR grow in your "dwelling", HC could not/cannot just show up demanding immediate access to inspect. They need a warrant to enter your dwelling, and to get a warrant....HC needs to show a judge probable cause of license violation(s).

Any mandated "inspections" for MMJ homegrows are gonna be delegated to the provincial/municipal gov's...IMO. Don't be surprised when the Insurance underwriters get involved as well.
 

Brian Savage

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You would have had to submit to an inspection had the government bothered inspecting anyone under the MMAR. If you think you're going to be able to grow without any restrictions anymore well I don't think you've been paying much attention.
 

TheRealDman

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You would have had to submit to an inspection had the government bothered inspecting anyone under the MMAR. If you think you're going to be able to grow without any restrictions anymore well I don't think you've been paying much attention.
You misunderstand, I'm well aware inspections (but, by who?) and much stricter Reg's are coming.
 

OGEvilgenius

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You would have had to submit to an inspection had the government bothered inspecting anyone under the MMAR. If you think you're going to be able to grow without any restrictions anymore well I don't think you've been paying much attention.
I'm aware of how things are being pushed. I want some push back.

It's the most useful plant human beings grow.

It's no coincidence that the oldest known man (preserved) was found with a bag of weed and seeds IMO.
 
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