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Straight up G

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Are you using one of those portable a/c units. If so just Try to get some of that dryer duct and keep the unit in another room if possible. If I could visualize your setup I might be able to help a little bit better. I assume everyone has the same setup as me and forget that some people live in small apartments and flats.
Erm I have a 2x4 closet mayb bit bigger within a 8x10 room its a large a/c 1.5x2.5 I guess no mylar just white paint. If I put it in a different room will it still have an effect?, and will the reccomended temp 4 growing without Co2 (75ish I think) raise suspicion?

Also what would a normal person do to vent a/c in their room y r they not scrutinized for that?
 

LUDACRIS

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Contributed by: Smokey bonger

How do I add ventilation to my grow area?
There are a couple of considerations to observe when planning your ventilation, they’re pretty simple concepts; but they are often overlooked.

· First, remember that warmer air will naturally rise to the top of any container, and that cooler air will naturally settle towards the bottom.
· Also remember that when ventilating any space, the volume (VOLUME, in cubic feet or cubic meters... [L x W x H]) of air that goes IN, also has to come OUT.
· You can’t expect to ventilate a grow space by simply forcing air in, and not providing an exhaust vent.

Since the object is to remove as much warm air as possible, and replace it with cooler air, it will be most efficient to place the exhaust as close to the top of the space as possible, and place the intake as close to the bottom as possible.

Should I place the fan in the exhaust, intake or both?
The fan should be placed in the exhaust, and the intake should be a simple hole (or light trap, if light getting out is a concern).
This type of system is known as an Active Exhaust, Passive Intake System.
Mounting the fan in the exhaust, sucking air out of the room accomplishes a couple of things...

· Since the exhaust is at the top of the area, the fan will suck the hottest air out of the area first.
· The fan is actually lowering the air pressure inside the area. Any incidental pinholes or leaky seams will simply draw air in. If the fan were blowing IN, those pinholes and leaks would allow potentially smelly air OUT.
How big should the passive intake be?
It should be slightly larger than the exhaust. Remember, the volume of air being blown out, will be replaced through the intake. Using a bigger intake hole allows the incoming air to be at a lower velocity (speed), which minimizes mixing up of the air in the area. It will also allow the fan to operate more efficiently.

How big should the fan be?
Fans are rated in either cubic feet (CFM) or cubic meters per minute in North America. In Eurpose, metric fans are rated in m3/hr - cubic metres per hour (m3/hr).

That means a 70CFM fan will move 70 cubic feet of air in one minute.
Your fan should be big enough to move the volume of your area 2 to 3 times every minute. A 70 CFM fan would be adequate for a 35 cubic foot area, and would be optimal for roughly a 23 cubic foot area.

· To figure your area’s cubic volume, multiply (in feet) the length by the width by the height.

What if I have more than one fan? Should I use one to blow air in and one to suck air out?
Not if the object is to provide as much ventilation and cooling as possible.

· If you have two 3-inch diameter fans, and you mount one in the intake, and one in the exhaust, you have a total intake area of one 3-inch hole and a total exhaust area of one 3-inch hole.
· If you use both fans as exhausts, you have TWO 3-inch exhausts and two 3-inch intakes (actually, two 3.3 inch intakes. They should be bigger than the exhausts, remember?).
· Twice as many holes, twice as much airflow.

Enhanced Blower Mods

Timer Options

If you find that the "Lights off" temps are lower than you'd prefer, you can simply run the fan from the same timer as the light by using a multi outlet power strip connected to the timer. Plug the lights and the fan into the power strip, and the fan will turn on/off with the lights. If you're using more than one fan, you could connect some or all of them, remembering that the more fans you have running, the lower the temps will be.
* SAFETY NOTE: The timer must be able to handle the additional electrical load, or an additional timer must be used. SAFTEY FIRST.

Sound Suppression
Making the ventilation system quieter can be an important consideration, and it's important to remember that the air moving through the intakes and exhausts make noise, as well as the fan itself. Some of the fan noise from vibration can be overcome by mounting the fan in a non-rigid manner. The fans can me mounted using rubber grommets to help dampen the vibration. Self-adhesive foam rubber window insulation can also be used. In some installations, it can be mounted by threading a bungee cord through each mounting hole, then attaching the other ends of the bungee cord to the exhaust hole.

· Generally, air moving through ductwork or tubing can become noisy, particularly if the air has to move at a higher velocity. More, larger diameter intakes and vent tubes will generally be quieter than fewer, smaller diameter intakes and vents. The fans also don't have to work quite as hard.
· Finally, although popular and easy to use, flexible "Accordion" type hose, commonly used to connect clothes dryers to external vents are not always the best choice, as they cause a great deal of drag, (making the fans work harder) and generally air flowing through them is noisier than smoother ductwork.

Filtering\Odor Control
Connecting a Carbon scrubber is a good method of controlling the odor that can be a dead giveaway to an otherwise stealthy installation. A carbon scrubber is simply an expansion chamber (box) into which the smelly air from a flower chamber is pumped. The chamber has a large exhaust vent, which is covered by an activated carbon air filter. The chamber must be big enough to provide a damping effect of the incoming air. If too small a scrubber is used, the fan will not be capable of pushing air through the filter. Here, you actually want the exhaust vent to be considerably bigger than the intake.

· There are also several DIY Odor killers available, which work to varying degrees to provide an "Odor Cover-up."
· Remember, the term "Low Odor Strain" is relative.
· Even the low odor strains generally still stink pretty badly near the end of flowering.

LUDACRIS.
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LUDACRIS

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Added by: MedyManic

Each fan has a rating that tells you how many cubic feet of air per minute (CFM) it will move. When dealing with above average temperatures you will want your fan to exchange the grow room air 3-5 times in one minute, so for a room that is 40 cubic feet, a fan that is capable of moving 120-200 cfm (cubic feet per minute) is recommended. If you only want to replace depleted levels of co2 and are growing in a closet using fluorescents, one room change per five minutes (divide room size by 5) will be adequate.

To calculate your room size, multiply Width by Length by Height, this will give you the CFM rating required for one room change per minute.

Air that’s exhausted will be replaced by fresh air, which is drawn from Passive Intakes-
located opposite the exhaust at the floor of your grow room (Recommended for closet grows) or forced in using another blower (recommended for larger grow rooms).

For internal circulation oscillating fans are In my opinion the most efficient devices for circulating air in a room. The gentle back and forth sway of the fan is very beneficial for the developing plants. These fans tend to keep anaerobic moulds down by constantly freshening any potentially stagnant air. Home improvement centres carry a large array of various types and styles of air-moving fans, there are wall-mounted styles available and most are relatively inexpensive.

NOTE: To convert CFM to CMH use the folowing formula CFM X 0.03 X 60 = CMH

LUDACRIS.
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LUDACRIS

New Member
contributed by :greggy j
submitted June 9, 2007

How do I install a duct fan to operate most efficiently?
(principles of effective ventilation)

Many growers own fans powerful enough to move air of a city block in Manhattan, but has failed to install it properly, causing greater pressure reduction. This extra pressure drop is called the system effect or system dissipation, and can cause the fan to produce a smaller volume of air than indicated in the fan diagram.

The following factors must be considered in order to avoid system dissipation:

At the Inlet

The distance to the nearest wall must be more than 0.75 the inlet's diameter.
The inlet duct's cross section must not be greater than 112% or less than 92% of the fan inlet.
The inlet duct's length must be at least 1 x the duct diameter.
The inlet duct must no have any obstacles to the air flow (dampers, branching or similar).

At the outlet

The angle at the reduction of the duct cross-section must be less than 15 degrees
The angle at the enlargement of the duct cross-section must be less than 7 degrees
A straight length of at least 3x duct diameter is required after a duct fan.
Avoid 90 degree bends (use 45 degree)
Bends must be shaped so that they follow the air stream after the fan.

If the connections are different from this, there could be a greater pressure reduction.





Circular duct fans for example, are propulsive, pushing the air. And should be installed so that the long duct is after the fan itself.

LUDACRIS.
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Straight up G

New Member
Thankyou and by the way the way you hav been treated as much of it as I have seen is totally uncalled for. A childs mind looks for a reaction hopefully his 'rents have put him to bed and turned on the Safesearch. Pathetic.

Peace.
 

LUDACRIS

New Member
Erm I have a 2x4 closet mayb bit bigger within a 8x10 room its a large a/c 1.5x2.5 I guess no mylar just white paint. If I put it in a different room will it still have an effect?, and will the reccomended temp 4 growing without Co2 (75ish I think) raise suspicion?

Also what would a normal person do to vent a/c in their room y r they not scrutinized for that?
i run a 400w hps in a similar set-up (room and grow space size) why do you need to add co2 or a/c ?????????.

LUDAGRASS.
 

Geozander

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Was askin for myself mate! Cant see it happening again this year but there was a couple of weeks we had silly temps. Even with a cooltube and decent ventilation i still struggled to keep temps below 100
 

Straight up G

New Member
i run a 400w hps in a similar set-up (room and grow space size) why do you need to add co2 or a/c ?????????.

LUDAGRASS.
I was using a/c to regulate the temp to 75 and not using Co2 I am dealing with U.K. temps I also have a 400w HPS my temps peaked at over 100 before the a/c but the weather has changed somewhat since I would rather not grow than get caught by a pig how the fck are all these other guys getting away with it : )

Goin2bed now

Thanks4 all your advice +Rep
 

LUDACRIS

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Was askin for myself mate! Cant see it happening again this year but there was a couple of weeks we had silly temps. Even with a cooltube and decent ventilation i still struggled to keep temps below 100
in scotland ?????????????.
are you using an extractor fan ?????????

CHRIS.
 

Geozander

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Yeah mate!in scotland. Would of been june time. My ambient temps in loft were sitting at over 100. In turn temps in my grow area were impossible, i have since moved so do not know if i gonna have same problem, would rather be prepared just in case. Of course i am using an extraction system! Come on man, i aint an amateur! Lol.
 

whitewidow2

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Ok... so this is a really interesting thread as its one of the things that worries me most of all is the heat signature getting picked up by the police helicopters.

Ive heard that insulaton helps, what we need is an example ie someone off here that has efficiently insulated their grow room so that the heat signature is masked... details of exactly what kind of insulation we should use and where its available would help a lot of people on here.

Most folks would be using grow tents id imagine and they cant be very thick, i myself use a couple of converted cupboards at the moment with ventilation holes etc.

We all know its an issue - we need to pull together and help each other out so that we are doing evverything we possibly can to stop detection.

If anyone has successfully insulated their then share with us what materials you used etc.

I grow with cfls and i keep the temps down with passive vents and a carbon filter as well as the oscillating fan inside but im still worried about heat signature - hell you would be crazy not to be!!!
 

whitewidow2

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Also while im here... i got told that you shouldnt leave the carbon filter on during the dark phase of 12/12 - is this true?

thanks peeps.
 

Geozander

Well-Known Member
Would imagine that properly insulated room, ie kingspan insulation material. Then properly lined with reflective material, would radiate no heat, modern insulation materials have to be hyper efficient, what with climate change and such like. Although i may be wrong!
 

THE PIRATE

New Member
If your doing a small grow you pretty much have nothing to fear.
Another key fact is a good fan will through your heat over the area and growers have to take into account most house hold appliances also put off heat, tv's pc's and the number 1 being the home fire, the eye in the sky cant see through walls or roofs, a flir camera or thermal image almost work in the same way but 99% of the time the eye in the sky is above through something that was started on the ground, any bust would be out the question just from a flir camera guess work as there is more heat from lets say a tv thats been burning away for a few hours.
Any chopper thats in the sky looking at one house is nothing more than a police car in the air, and would be acting on information received from the ground.
But a small grow from the air is not worth worrying about, question is, what is a small grow ? a small grow to one perosn could be a large grow to another.
Another large note to take into account is, on the ground police have many many police cars, but in the air they have 1 chopper, thats for a reason, cost, their never ''just in the air for home grow searches'' way to costly on fuel, thats a fact, they only scramble for a reason, just dont give them a reason from the ground.
 

THE PIRATE

New Member
I did have a snigger at this story i found online, hope its not old news to you folks.


Gipsies Trash Police Helicopter 14-May-09
The mob set about Surrey's helicopter with axes after weeks of aerial surveillance of a travellers’ site...
A gipsy mob trashed a £5million police helicopter — to stop officers spying on them.

They set about the Surrey force’s chopper with axes — putting it out of action by smashing five windows.

The attack followed weeks of aerial surveillance on a travellers’ site where swish stolen cars and nicked goods are believed to be stashed.


A police source said last night: “The gipsies were furious because they kept getting buzzed by the helicopter.
The mob struck at 10pm after leaping over a 4ft wall surrounding the force’s helipad at Fairoaks airport, near Woking.
They threatened staff in the operations room before wrecking the chopper.
The damage caused was estimated at tens of thousands of pounds.
The aircraft, which is expected to be out of action for another two weeks while repairs are made, is the only cop chopper in Surrey.
The neighbouring Met and Sussex forces are having to provide air cover for the county’s one million residents.
Detectives were ready to raid the gipsies’ site on the back of evidence filmed from the air.
The source said: “We suspect it is being used to store expensive stolen cars and other goods. Before a raid is conducted we will observe the criminals from the air.
“That way we get an idea what we are likely to find, identify suspects and locate entrances and exits. Maybe we got too low.”
Security at Fairoaks is being beefed up following the attack.
The helicopter was airborne 214 times during April — an average of seven flights per day.It is mainly used for chasing crime suspects and their cars, finding missing persons and pre-planned surveillance operations.
A camera fitted under its nose beams broadcast-quality footage to the control room.
In just 12 minutes, the copter can search an area that would otherwise take 450 man-hours.
A Surrey Police spokesman described the identity of the mob members as “unknown”.
He said: “The incident is part of an ongoing investigation and security measures are being reviewed as part of this.
“We are working with a maintenance contractor to ensure the aircraft is back on line as soon as possible.”
 
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