Inda-gro Induction...

Blue72 · May 9, 2012

PSUAGRO. said:
Hi Blue.....welcome to RIU first of all.......And I agree with you on most of your points..........Still doesn't change the shitty air lingering all over this unfortunately......

Nice pics Spliff.........looks great as always...........If i grew/made hash/oil like you id be very proud too

Thank you, PSU. I'm a very proud wife.

Oh and I'm sorry for replying with just your quote. It wouldn't give me the option of just replying to the thread at the time. I meant it as a general statement not just at your post.

brotherjericho · May 9, 2012

Splifferous said:
ya Chaz,

that lex fellow on that other site is the quintessence of the reason why i abandoned that site and deemed it worthless a year ago. i don't know if i'll be posting anything further there, as i have personally deemed any response to him as beneath me.

as the saying goes "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink". he can stay thirsty as far as i'm concerned.

on a side note. i was using the mic on the trichs and it seems that some of the ones under the 420 are getting ready ahead of schedule. i was familiar with others seeing (or at least claiming to see) reduced flower time, and now that i am seeing that for myself, im very pleased.

another side note. as i was tending the pineapple the other day, i accidentally over-tweaked a branch. i taped it up, but the weight kept creasing it over real hard. so i chopped it and line dried it. zero flush, 3 day dry in 45%RH. smells like effing jolly rancher candy and tastes so sweet! and stoney... amazing for 42 days imo. i started her on her flush today, and she's coming down when bone dry.

i also took off some of the White Fire branches that were looking ready. again zero traditional prep on that. 2 days into line drying and they smell like citrus jet fuel, for lack of a better explanation. they are sweetening by the hour, and i can't wait to see them when theyre done.

the way things look to be going from here is that the GDP and OK will be ready about when the PK and WF will be, all 4 down in the same day or 2. that will let me turn off that GD HPS and let the 420 sit on that mover and rock back and forth over the PDP for another 2 weeks or so. i heard that she does AMAZING things at week 10-11, if she can get there and stay healthy... mine is downright wicked business... i'll post pics when i'm done watering, which should be within the hour.

good to see you still here buck. you have one on the way? i can't wait to hear your input. i also have a 200 in veg. i have a pic of a blue dream that popped on the 17th of april, the day my Inda-Gros got here, and so the seedling has been under the 200PAR since birth. she's out of control; i'll post pics of her later too. i had intended to get a pic of her every day at noon, but things came up early on that stimied that, and so not i only really aim to get a pic every other day or so. still, it's moving alot at a beast pace, especially considering the 2oow source and the near 2 foot drop... again, pics later ... hour or so

The only complete grow I've seen out there with these PAR 420s was done with supplemental red spectrum LEDs, because the user admitted there just wasn't enough red for them to be viable alone for flowering. At least that person was being honest, and he only used the 420 for vegging. So, as I stated before, they obviously give good results for vegging, but so don't my PLLs as well as T5s, MH, etc.

You might dupe some people on here, but I'll pass on every one of your posts from this point on because of the major ass you've been on here while accusing others of being one.

brotherjericho · May 9, 2012

Mr.ImStoned said:
what is a "PLLs" and do you have pics of your set up? fyi kelvin has nothing to do with PAR flowering

PLLs are basically t5 lights split in two to make a smaller footprint. I use 4 55w bulbs for my veg box which is about 30W x 21L x 30H. I only grow a few plants for myself, so I don't need a big setup. I went with PLLs because they gave me the best bang for my buck for the space I'm using while allowing me to manage heat effectively

Yes, I understand kelvin is not the best measure, but it is what we have for most fluorescents that you can buy readily. I've not seen any indication beyond the seller that these Inda-Gros put off more usable light than any other light source used for growing, so until I see some independent reviews and testing, I remain skeptical of all claims outside of the known for this technology.

Finally, I do not live in a grow friendly area, so I have decided to not post pictures of my set-up or grows. I am not making any bold claims about what I use in any case, I know I could get better results with other set-ups, but I use what works for my conditions and resources.

brotherjericho · May 9, 2012

For anyone who cares to read what appears to be an unbiased grow experience with Inda-Gro 420s, http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=226151

At least no claims of these lights being super-duper, best newest greatest thing to hit the MJ scene...though he did get what appears to be good results. This was the one I mentioned earlier where the grower supplemented the Inda-Gro with red LED for flowering.

^^ This is the kind of stuff I'm looking for.

brotherjericho · May 9, 2012

This is a public forum, if you don't like my participation then take your conversations to PM. You start out nice then you start digging. Sorry, I call it like I see it.

I was skeptical of many posts here that read like these lights were so awesome, but when you trotted out that the supplier gives a 30 day money back guarantee, my radar spiked. As an experienced grower should know, 30 days won't mean shit in the overall picture, and that told me all I needed to know about your position.

Blue72 · May 9, 2012

brotherjericho said:
This is a public forum, if you don't like my participation then take your conversations to PM. You start out nice then you start digging. Sorry, I call it like I see it.

I was skeptical of many posts here that read like these lights were so awesome, but when you trotted out that the supplier gives a 30 day money back guarantee, my radar spiked. As an experienced grower should know, 30 days won't mean shit in the overall picture, and that told me all I needed to know about your position.

Tons of manufactures offer 30 day money back guarantees that don't mean shit in the overall picture. What's your point? Why would that even be "suspicious" to you? lol. It's a basic business practice. Paranoia anyone? LOL! Sorry, I am starting to get amused again.

(oh and I do believe you are one of the ones that started poo slinging first)

Blue72 · May 9, 2012

I mean...I have a "smart" phone that seems to go stupid after it's 30 days go by. Point?

brotherjericho · May 9, 2012

Blue72 said:
Tons of manufactures offer 30 day money back guarantees that don't mean shit in the overall picture. What's your point? Why would that even be "suspicious" to you? lol. It's a basic business practice. Paranoia anyone? LOL! Sorry, I am starting to get amused again.

(oh and I do believe you are one of the ones that started poo slinging first)

That you pointed this out is hilarious. Yes, most offer a 30 day return policy so the fact that your husband cared to even mention it shows me he has affiliation. Only someone trying to sell something would even bother to mention this as this is pretty much standard so not even worth consideration.

brotherjericho · May 9, 2012

Splifferous said:
and i call it how it is seen as well. so far you have done nothing but add worthless opinion. you have done zero actual contribution. if you are still stuck on my passing mention of the return policy, than you are a greater moron that i had accredited you for being. everything on god's green earth has a return policy, even the lights you are using, and every other light out there for you to consider, so move along sir.

BJ, you are just looking foolish here. show me something. i don't understand your fear that posting a pic of your no doubt laughable effort in your nasty little closet would immediately identify you and your activities to your neighbor and your local authorities. your paranoia there is echoed in your paranoia here.

i have changed my mind. please stay around this forum, for comic relief.

for me, i'm off to water veg and take pics, updates later... BJ, you better have a good laugh waiting for me when i come back.

This is fun. Inda-Gro is losing customers with each post. Shall we continue?

jubiare · May 9, 2012

the best worthy LED companies we have around nowadays, as the investment is relevant, they have this 90 / 120 days return policy. That would have been the case for mentioning warranty.... but the way you mentioned that 30 days return policy.. that sounded sooooooooooooooooooooooo cheesy

jubiare · May 9, 2012

also guys, husbands and wifes.... You are preaching such knowledge and good karma towards the world ..... Yet calling idiots others ......... You are playing sooooo smart ......... But still i detect some biased fantastical stories eh

that you had a discount from the owner when you met him 2 months ago is prob the least there is

Blue72 · May 9, 2012

brotherjericho said:
That you pointed this out is hilarious. Yes, most offer a 30 day return policy so the fact that your husband cared to even mention it shows me he has affiliation. Only someone trying to sell something would even bother to mention this as this is pretty much standard so not even worth consideration.

Or someone that thought it was worth mentioning because it was a plus for them. Seriously, who are you to tell someone what they can or can't think is important? Why would you even bother with a statement like that? Do you have affiliations with a different company? Is that why you keep going away from the discussion and adult conversation...to the slinging? Get back to the topic. Get to the topic of watching this grow to it's end...or don't. That's your decision. I really am failing to understand why you continuously keep trying to make the same assumptions, get told that you don't have to participate if you don't like it, but yet...you still are here. Don't want to watch, don't want to listen, don't want to learn, don't want "anything new" to hurt your precious "quantity" so you can sell it like most of those drug dealers on that other site, but yet.....you're still here. So...I've said it on the other site, and I'll say it here. Either bring something intelligent to the forum, or we'll just consider you a troll and start ignoring you.

jubiare · May 9, 2012

I do have a few small induction lights by the way with which I supplement my LEDs ... so don't even start with the HPS monotony story coz I am over HPS already

I really wish everybody a world without this bloody monetary system .... that holds us back to speak the real truth and even holds back technology from really develop! it's gonna happen sooner than what one think, I hope!!! :peace:

brotherjericho · May 9, 2012

Blue72 said:
Or someone that thought it was worth mentioning because it was a plus for them. Seriously, who are you to tell someone what they can or can't think is important? Why would you even bother with a statement like that? Do you have affiliations with a different company? Is that why you keep going away from the discussion and adult conversation...to the slinging? Get back to the topic. Get to the topic of watching this grow to it's end...or don't. That's your decision. I really am failing to understand why you continuously keep trying to make the same assumptions, get told that you don't have to participate if you don't like it, but yet...you still are here. Don't want to watch, don't want to listen, don't want to learn, don't want "anything new" to hurt your precious "quantity" so you can sell it like most of those drug dealers on that other site, but yet.....you're still here. So...I've said it on the other site, and I'll say it here. Either bring something intelligent to the forum, or we'll just consider you a troll and start ignoring you.

This tag team, husband-wife stuff is great entertainment.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I don't grow for weight, just for my own personal occasional use. I value stealth and heat control, so induction seemed right up my alley. I had already researched it before posting in this thread, and knew it gave good results in vegging, but so do many other lighting sources. I am interested in flowering performance, because I'm looking for the best bang for my buck in heat control and cost (wattage and equipment). HPS is not for me right now, so its either LED, standard fluorescent, or induction. What threw me off on induction was the price up front, which I cannot see as being justified for the length of time it has been around. So that tells me that they cannot sell quantity and are trying to make money off of higher prices.

The price of technology goes down over time. LED is dropping. Digital ballasts for HID are much cheaper than even a year ago. But induction? High as hell, and it has been around for a long time. So it better offer something really great to justify the price. Unfortunately, I've yet to see it, not from unbiased sources. All I see are sales pitches.

But do keep up with the assumptions. You folks are building quite a reputation. Sadly, not a good one.

Blue72 · May 9, 2012

jubiare said:
also guys, husbands and wifes.... You are preaching such knowledge and good karma towards the world ..... Yet calling idiots others ......... You are playing sooooo smart ......... But still i detect some biased fantastical stories eh that you had a discount from the owner when you met him 2 months ago is prob the least there is

I don't call idiots anything but idiots. But...I don't think anyone is really an idiot. Ignorant people aren't the same as idiots. Ignorant people can understand things, just choose to cover their ears and not listen.

I don't recall my husband ever meeting the owner in person.

Is this another assumption? My husband does amazing gardening, I mean...he's so anal he gives them pure filtered water (with well thought out organic nutrients of course) and waters them individually with individual bottles....and in a gentle way. This man goes above and beyond for his "babies". He's even shed tears over them. You are putting down someone that is so well loved here. People do offer him great deals in order for him to use their products. They know he's well educated and he's good on his word. This is the only reason why I'm even participating here on this forum. The man does too much for us local patients here, that I couldn't allow him to be publicly slaughtered. I've been tempted to send this thread topic to others in our community just so they can stand up for him. I've gone as far as thinking of a way to post pics to show how legit he is. We could definitely hold up pics with our usernames and our hands (they all look different, ya know)...but then I realized, that's just too damn much work for just being proud. I'm not getting anything out of it, so I'm not proving anything. You can either listen or you can be left behind when the rest of the world moves on from HPS. I know you use LEDs, but....throwing that out there for the others. They work good for you, obviously. Spliff had one, laughed at it, and sent it back. However, that's HIS experience and it was only one little light. We couldn't even see the lights from it over the others (that weren't inda-grow). So, your experience has definitely been different than his. However, you've moved on from consumption, so I don't see an issue with you, other than trying to carry on the drama cloud that the others are still exhausting. But...I could be assuming, and you could be meaning this in a nice way, lol. Sorry in advanced if I was wrong, it's hard to read "personality and emotions" in just typed words.

Blue72 · May 9, 2012

brotherjericho said:
This tag team, husband-wife stuff is great entertainment.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I don't grow for weight, just for my own personal occasional use. I value stealth and heat control, so induction seemed right up my alley. I had already researched it before posting in this thread, and knew it gave good results in vegging, but so do many other lighting sources. I am interested in flowering performance, because I'm looking for the best bang for my buck in heat control and cost (wattage and equipment). HPS is not for me right now, so its either LED, standard fluorescent, or induction. What threw me off on induction was the price up front, which I cannot see as being justified for the length of time it has been around. So that tells me that they cannot sell quantity and are trying to make money off of higher prices.

The price of technology goes down over time. LED is dropping. Digital ballasts for HID are much cheaper than even a year ago. But induction? High as hell, and it has been around for a long time. So it better offer something really great to justify the price. Unfortunately, I've yet to see it, not from unbiased sources. All I see are sales pitches.

But do keep up with the assumptions. You folks are building quite a reputation. Sadly, not a good one.

I could only assume since you started this crap here, from the other site.....that you were tag teaming with that other guy that was only interested in weight. My bad. (but...copying someone's amusement, is so childish)

Kite High · May 9, 2012

glorified fluorescents... chinese for sure as well

Blue72 · May 9, 2012

brotherjericho said:
This is fun. Inda-Gro is losing customers with each post. Shall we continue?

How do you figure? You're the paranoid one. You're the one afraid of posting a pic. I fail to see how you think they'll lose customers over you're failed understanding.

Blue72 · May 9, 2012

brotherjericho said:
This tag team, husband-wife stuff is great entertainment.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I don't grow for weight, just for my own personal occasional use. I value stealth and heat control, so induction seemed right up my alley. I had already researched it before posting in this thread, and knew it gave good results in vegging, but so do many other lighting sources. I am interested in flowering performance, because I'm looking for the best bang for my buck in heat control and cost (wattage and equipment). HPS is not for me right now, so its either LED, standard fluorescent, or induction. What threw me off on induction was the price up front, which I cannot see as being justified for the length of time it has been around. So that tells me that they cannot sell quantity and are trying to make money off of higher prices.

The price of technology goes down over time. LED is dropping. Digital ballasts for HID are much cheaper than even a year ago. But induction? High as hell, and it has been around for a long time. So it better offer something really great to justify the price. Unfortunately, I've yet to see it, not from unbiased sources. All I see are sales pitches.

But do keep up with the assumptions. You folks are building quite a reputation. Sadly, not a good one.

Also, how do you calculate how expensive they are? Have you put into account the money you'd save from the electricity and not replacing your light bulbs for 10 years? We could sit here all day and rehash shit though, and still not go anywhere. Just because of the pure fact that you don't want to get along. So sad.

brotherjericho · May 9, 2012

Blue72 said:
Also, how do you calculate how expensive they are? Have you put into account the money you'd save from the electricity and not replacing your light bulbs for 10 years? We could sit here all day and rehash shit though, and still not go anywhere. Just because of the pure fact that you don't want to get along. So sad.

Ten years? Wait...is this another sales pitch? Sure looks like it. You people just can't resist.

Philips makes induction lighting too, btw. http://www.optimumlighting.com/services/faqs-introduction-lighting/

1) Will Induction lighting really last 100,000 hours?

While induction lighting is rated for 100,000 hours (meaning a 50% mortality rate at that point), this system would have significant lumen depreciation by 80,000 hours. It would only be
emitting 60% of its initial light output by this time. Therefore, unless the system is overdesigned, it would probably need to be replaced at the 40,000 hour point to be even half as effective as a
standard T5HO or T8 fluorescent system.

Please try to sell your pitch to the more uninformed.

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