I'm not a connoisseur

Yeah like I said, it wasn't a desired strain at all IMO

It is all about ones personal preference ! When I first started out, I focused on yield mostly. Then after a few grows I began to understand potency over riding yield. I'd rather have 1/4 pound of super potent, than 1/2 pound of average or lower! Then I found out that you can have both( Kandy Kush). My point earlier is I'm not interested in having a contest. I just love finishing a grow and adding to my personal medicine. I do use these forums to research strains, learn techniques, and share opinions with respectful growers. At the end of the day, its all about me having enough jars of quality meds to keep me from ever having to purchase from so called "dealers" again.

Personally I feel like taste is where it's at. I started my ganga experience with a kona gold diet, then went many years on mexi shwag with only the occasional "kind" sack. I got sick of shitty tasting grass and even sicker of getting some that was even bunk. Like some have stated few had names but those kind sacks were often tasty and potent. I lived in Oregon for a time and it seemed like it was hard to get something that wasn't awesome in every way, except sometimes you would get undried/uncured nugs which was balls. I think the art of growing out buds that make you happy is being a connoisseur. That word, lol, the first book about the subject I ever read that got me going back in the eighties was called "The Connoisseur's Handbook." It was an awesome read. The one I read had the U.S. seal on it though, all the ones I have seen since don't look the same.

I've got a friend that love that baby shit smell as well. Too funny! The last time I had stuff that he love with that smell was golden goat. Which is a clone I honestly wouldn't mind running as i truly loved the clean sativa high from it. A fantastic day smoke

Golden goat is not close to the shit smell in my opinion! I love the sweet smell of GG though!

Really? I thought it had a chorizo/sweet skunk smell. Friend said "oh baby shit!"

Taste and smell are all part of the reason why growing cannabis is the greatest hobby in the history of the known universe.
An amazing spectrum of flavor awaits those who grow a variety of strains.
It's great to be alive.

wow, 3 pages and no flame wars or calls of racism. I should hang out on this side of the site more often.

good topic guys.

I think I've naturally gone towards ease of cloning, potency and yield. I suck at cloning so weak plants dont do well for me. I smoke to get high so the higher the better. I also have to pay the light bill so yield is important. But... I grew out some big bud and the yield was not worth the crappy potency so I culled her from the herd. I had some "fire" OG Fire lol, but it was so sickly I finally gave up on it. sucked, it was some chronic. I'm running Bomb Ice now and it clones so easy and is hardy and weight is good, bag appeal is good but its just not the stoniest stuff ever.

So I just popped some RD beans, night terror and scotts og.

bluntmassa1 said:

Whats even worse is subcool he's got baby poop as a smell/taste

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I think he's being a bit of a wise-acre there.

Not all "baby poo" is created equal, so to speak.

I think what Subcool is talking about is baby poo that comes from babies eating baby food. . .which is usually made from pureed fruit.

The same smell, might be more fairly called "overripe" or "rotten" fruit, and I think that's what's going on here.

ilikecheetoes said:

I am admittedly not a connoisseur of fine weeds and whats considered "fire".

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Lets get back to basics.

By definition a "connoisseur" is someone with special knowledge. That comes with EXPERIENCE. If you can intelligently describe the differences between many different kinds of weed based on a wide experience trying all sorts of different ones, then you are a "connoisseur".

I will state for the record, that I am NOT a connoisseur when it comes to weed. That said, I strongly suspect that many of the ones who claim to be connoisseurs of cannabis really aren't. Instead, they're just "poseurs" or "snobs" (or in some cases, both).

I smoke a decent amount and have for years. I can in general taste some differences in strains but for the most part its just good green weed to me. I can visually see what has better bag appeal... not that that is a skill. I grow and dont have any problems getting rid of it.

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IMO, like the differences between wines, a lot of the differences between weed strains are more subtle (or even imaginary) than real.

There are legitimate differences in scent and taste, though I think these greatly decrease when the weed is actually burning, as opposed to sitting in the jar/bag, and many different so-called strains, really aren't all that different from one another. There also are differences in effect, though again, there are maybe a few general classes here, with most being more similar than different.

so how do I refine my pallet and how do you find the keepers?

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"Palate".

The answer is you try a whole bunch of different things, as many as you can, then you decide what the differences are, and what you like, what you don't like, and why. This is largely subjective.

On finding the keepers, same thing. You grow out a wide variety of different plants, learn what you like, what you don't like, why, and then keep the ones that you like. There is no real secret here.

In GENERAL, people do their selections for "keeper" plants based on potency, effect, and flavor; as well as grow characteristics including flowering time, yield, and overall plant structure including stretchiness.

Or are you guys just a bunch of weed snob nerds that have a lot of maybe-history of different strains and like to chat about it on forums.

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I think this is certainly the case of some. . .though clearly not all. . .posters here.

Or should I go back to weed the same way I drink wine. If it tastes good, doesnt give me rot gut the next morning and doesnt cost my left nut, its good wine. I cant tell you if it has an oaky flavor with a hint of blah blah blah.

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I think this is exactly right.

But note that you don't have to know or use the (IMO somewhat pretentious) language of wine snobs to be a conniosseur of wine. That kind of language can help communicate ideas between wine lovers, but its neither sufficient nor necessary to understand the differences or enjoy the wines.

ilikecheetoes said:

i wont smoke bowls... I dont care what weed you put in it. bowls are fucking retarded.

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Heh.

I certainly wouldn't say they are "retarded", but I like where you're going with this.

I also greatly prefer joints. You only light them once, they give you the maximum control over how you're smoking. I also think there is something to be said about "sipping" your smoke, instead of "guzzling" it, like you might do through a bong or pipe.

In terms of smoking, you probably do get the purest best flavor out of a bowl, *BUT* it has to be an absolutely clean one, and I think in practice a lot of people don't clean out their bowls routinely after every use. I also think that no matter what you're smoking (bowl or bong or joint) you really only get the best taste the first few hits. . .the smoke and resin passing through the rest of the bowl/joint from the first hits changes the taste of subsequent ones, and not to the better.

Also, not all bowls are created equal, so to speak. It matters how long the stem is, and what the air flow through them is like, and some are significantly better than others. Most of the small cheap glass "spoons" in my experience, are crap.

I think if you're really after best possible FLAVOR, then what you want is a vape. If you've never tried one, you should, just for this reason. The lack of burning means no bad-tasting products of combustion, and you really do get a much nicer/better taste with all the terpenes and such out of a vaporizer. High quality sometimes changes out of a vape, but that may or may not be a negative, depending on what you like.

Another thing with me is I, like many others are searching for the "Holy Grail". This term to me means a strain that is perfect for ME!!!! It has to 1. Help my pain 2. Not cause heart racing and anxiety 3. Be Potent 4. Taste good 5. Yield good. This is different for everyone Im sure. But for me that makes my grail strain. Out of all the things I have grown, RP Sour Kush is my top strain. Currently I have RP Kosher Kush going. Will see how that one is. I did the Kandy Kush and it rocks!! But for my make up and Neurosis, KK made me a little edgy!!

im a bong guy. glass on glass. straight tube, no ash catcher, dome, hood, twists and turns or other BS. I prefer Roor. Hey I AM a smoking paraphernalia connoisseur. lol

Ive tried vapes more than once. from the cheap ones to the volcano. None give me the same high and I never feel like a i got a cacker type hit. You definitely get more flavor from them though. I should get another one just to taste my strains.

Bowls of any type just never did it for me. Always hot smoke and an ashy mist goes in your mouth. The sherlock type water bubbler bowls are even worse. if you dont get a mouthful of bong water you spill it all over the coffee table. hehe. I wasnt even talking about metal bowls. Jesus does anybody still use those after highschool?

I was at the meat shop today buying my weekly meat and cheese and noticed I am also not a cheese monger. Every week I get a small block of 3 or4 cheeses to have with some potato and sausages. I dont remember from one week to the next which ones Ive had before.

Time to start paying attention.

racerboy71 said:

Lol, yeah.. wtf would you think baby shit would be a good description for anything you'd want to smoke is so beyond me..
And I'm pretty much the same.. I mean, I can say for ex. that og kush has a hashy, earthy, piney taste to it, and that a haze is more spicey, maybe peppery, but that's about all i got.. and oh yeah, blueberry like ssh tastes like blueberry, lol..

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I'd describe Kush similarly but it has citrus undertones which give it the unique smell everyone recognizes.

bluntmassa1 said:

I think I found your problem I've mostly been just smoking from a glass pipe cause it tastes the best. But a blunt, joint, vaporizer and even a dirty bong really diminishes the flavor quite a bit but through a glass pipe it just tastes so good as long as the bud tastes great but the same bud through a joint aint all that impressive still decent just the paper fucks it up a bit.

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I've found nothing tastes better than a good vaporizer. Brings out flavors far better than any kind of smoke ever will.

I think some people just like the taste of smoke, clean burning variety. There are definite differences in flavor of the smoke, but it's still largely smoke in my experience. The vape brings out the flavors more clearly for me. If forced to smoke I prefer joints as well.

IMO the boring strains won't vary much in regard to taste, but the ones that stand out do indeed stand out. Jack Herer for example, and many related strains have a very unique flavor which is completely different yet equally delicious as the chocolate-mint kushy goodness of Girl Scout Cookies. My G-13 Haze tasted just like Lemon Yougert. Big Bud tastes like bud, and it's big.