im considering quitting in the middle of flowering and starting all over. here is why...

hello all. im curious to know you guys opinion on this situation. first, im not a new grower. ive been growing indoor using the dwc method for years with many successful grown under my belt. this time however is the first time ive ever grown a sativa strain. OK so im growing 6 super silver haze plants. pretty ideal conditions, from nutes, lighting, ppm, etc.these plants were in veg for a long time. about 70 days. using 18/6 600 watt hps/mh grow light. every single plant was healthy throughout veg. not a deficiency, or root problem at all. OK, now im about 60 days into flowering. all of the proper changes have been made, nutes, light bulb, 12/12 etc. every plant is extremely tall which is normal. but heres the problem, every single plant looks different. they all look healthy but have weird things going on. 3 of them are well into flowering, 2 look like they just started, and one is just now showing its sex. some plants hairs are turning orange already, while on the same plant, a branch over, all the hairs are still white. the plants that do have buds, the buds look very weak to be this far into flowering, and to be turning orange already at that. a lot of my upper fan leaves only have one finger. the other plants have no buds at all yet. i was told that this plant strain takes a long time to flower because its a sativa, and a haze, and me having them in veg so long, but that doesn't explain why every plant looks different when they all get the exact same treatment and nutes. im considering starting all over, but have to much time invested to get nothing out of it, but if i keep going and get nothing im wasting even more time. or am i being impatient? they all do look healthy, just way to different. the growing conditions are ideal, just the room maybe is 10 to 15 degrees hotter than id like due to location and a weak ac. what do you think? thanks for reading! ill try to attach pics but my camera isn't the best.

if they are from seed, it is because they are different Pheno Types. think of it as twins that aren't identical
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1. the set of observable characteristics of an individual resulting from the interaction of its genotype with the environment.

Dr.Nick Riviera said:

if they are from seed, it is because they are different Pheno Types. think of it as twins that aren't identical
phe·no·type
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noun
BIOLOGY

1. the set of observable characteristics of an individual resulting from the interaction of its genotype with the environment.

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Yea they are from seed. The phenotype can vary that greatly within the same strain?

Here are some pics. My camera isnt the best

60 days in flowering and they look they that and just now you are questioning what's up??? They should only be 10 days away from finishing, instead it looks like week 2 of flowering. I suspect light leaks have delayed the onset of flowering and that's why you are getting such a weak response from the plants. You'll see my name is sshz, cause I grew up growing this strain and I'll say one last thing: GROWER ERROR!!! This happens to be an easy strain to grow so you are doing something drastically wrong.

I would say you should check for light leakage as SSHZ suggests above.
If the problem is light leaks and they're left unaddressed, it will probably repeat itself next grow.

What is the grow enclosure? A tent? A closet? A specially built room?

aceloc said:

Yea they are from seed. The phenotype can vary that greatly within the same strain?

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Depending on breeding and the plants genetics, there can be stable strains with one or two phenotypes or there could be dozens of phenos.

I dunno how many phenomes are commonly expressed by SSH though, I bet SSHZ would know something about it.

SSHZ said:

60 days in flowering and they look they that and just now you are questioning what's up??? They should only be 10 days away from finishing, instead it looks like week 2 of flowering. I suspect light leaks have delayed the onset of flowering and that's why you are getting such a weak response from the plants. You'll see my name is sshz, cause I grew up growing this strain and I'll say one last thing: GROWER ERROR!!! This happens to be an easy strain to grow so you are doing something drastically wrong.

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I have 3 other plants of this strain from clone and they look amazing. The way they should look. These. Idk. I feel like something is wrong. Just dont know what. Im using the exact same space, light, nutes, EVERYTHING, Ive always used. Never had these issues. I probably am doing something wrong. No clue what being that nothing has changed.

aceloc said:

I have 3 other plants of this strain from clone and they look amazing. The way they should look. These. Idk. I feel like something is wrong. Just dont know what. Im using the exact same space, light, nutes, EVERYTHING, Ive always used. Never had these issues. I probably am doing something wrong. No clue what being that nothing has changed.

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from the look of the salad type leaves, you have a light leak or other problem as that is a sign of revegging.

Ive checked that though. My room is pitch black when the light is off. Not a single light leak.

aceloc said:

Ive checked that though. My room is pitch black when the light is off. Not a single light leak.

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Check your timer to make certain it's not kicking the lights on for 15 minutes in the middle of your dark period. It's happened to me.

If you are 100% sure it's not a leak, I will say I have seen similar plants like yours in my gardens in the past. Not recently though, and I don't remember the strains it happened on- but when I see it I usually just kill it off knowing it will be a problem plant. If I had to guess, I would say it's something in the Haze genetics- you know, some hazes would just never finish no matter what you did. They sometimes use other signals to start flowering instead of the onset of 12/12 lighting like less available water, lower humidity, root bound or something along those lines......

SSHZ said:

If you are 100% sure it's not a leak, I will say I have seen similar plants like yours in my gardens in the past. Not recently though, and I don't remember the strains it happened on- but when I see it I usually just kill it off knowing it will be a problem plant. If I had to guess, I would say it's something in the Haze genetics- you know, some hazes would just never finish no matter what you did. They sometimes use other signals to start flowering instead of the onset of 12/12 lighting like less available water, lower humidity, root bound or something along those lines......

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i think thats what im going to do. It sucks. ive been growing white widow, sour diesel, and super skunk, forever. As soon as i add a new strain to the rotation i have issues. Here is a pic of my other super silvers. From clone from the bad ones. About 2 weeks into flowering now. Same setup. Just led lighting, and alot more topping and super cropping. I think its definitely grower error. I just cant pinpoint the error. If i am able to find the error by chance, do you think its to late to save them? Or just start over?

ttystikk said:

Check your timer to make certain it's not kicking the lights on for 15 minutes in the middle of your dark period. It's happened to me.

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Thats the first thing i thought! Unless i have a bad timer that isnt reading itself correctly at some point in my off hours, thats fine.

Plants look great..........I'd be really looking for light leaks again, specifically close to the area in the room/tent where the problem plant is located. I would also consider maybe it's a too high of dose(s) of N at some point which can delay flowering, especially in sativa's. As to the plant itself, if it's so far behind everything else, it's best to cut your losses, kill it off and move on. Who is the breeder of the Super Silver Haze you have, that may help. I did remember I had a few plants from Reeferman that this exact thing happened too, maybe 3-4 in a room of 24. Still trying to remember the strain.......

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Plants look great..........I'd be really looking for light leaks again, specifically close to the area in the room/tent where the problem plant is located. I would also consider maybe it's a too high of dose(s) of N at some point which can delay flowering, especially in sativa's. As to the plant itself, if it's so far behind everything else, it's best to cut your losses, kill it off and move on. Who is the breeder of the Super Silver Haze you have, that may help. I did remember I had a few plants from Reeferman that this exact thing happened too, maybe 3-4 in a room of 24. Still trying to remember the strain.......

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I usually get all my seeds from i love growing marijuana . Rob b. Never had an issue before. I let these go so long because ive never really dealt with an all sativa grow, so i didnt know what to expect. Add that to me bieng told this is one of the longer flowering strains in general.Im going to tripple check for light leaks asap. Hopefully i can save them. If they are still in veg maybe there is hope. Its just hard to fix a problem when you dont know what it is! Lol. I appreciate all the tips! About how long do you usually veg this strain? Flower? So i have an idea. Now i am growing indoors so if your method is different i get it

I've grown a number of different breeders SSHZ out and I think I went around 28 days veg and around 75-77 days flowering on most of them. Sativa's, except the most extreme ones, will normally only take 2-3 weeks longer than an average indica.

SSHZ said:

I've grown a number of different breeders SSHZ out and I think I went around 28 days veg and around 75-77 days flowering on most of them. Sativa's, except the most extreme ones, will normally only take 2-3 weeks longer than an average indica.

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Yea im definitely doing something wrong. Im checking for light asap. If thats not it, ill just clone these and start again.

aceloc said:

Yea im definitely doing something wrong. Im checking for light asap. If thats not it, ill just clone these and start again.

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Try 14 off and 10 hours on, let them get dry, and ease way back on the nitrogen in your feed. These were suggested above as ways to encourage the plant to flower and finish and they're proven and widely used.

aceloc said:

Yea they are from seed. The phenotype can vary that greatly within the same strain?

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Yes...mostly because of pollen chuckers...

Take some pollen from strain A then throw it on a female from strain B then harvest the seeds and call it a new strain...thats what pollen chuckers do. The problem is that it takes several generations to make a stable cross... it takes years. But few take the time...

The result is that each "new strain" is unstable and is capable of producing several phenos... and if those unstable phenos are used to cross breed again you get another "new strain" that is capable of producing several different phenos x2... and so on.

It has gotten to the point now that buying seeds is fn crapshoot. You just dont know what youre going to get... unless you buy seeds from a reputable breeder. But even some of them are falling into the same trap trying to keep up with the pollen chuckers.