Hi kids my name is FranJan and I think it's time to have a quick lesson for all you newbs trying to sort out all this LED stuff So let's take a moment to dissect this Monkeychief's salesman's routine BS. It's good practice for you as good little LED consumers to remember to think with your heads and not just your wallets, which is what Monkeystains is after.
First off Monkeythief's complete lack of proper English grammar, or even hood-speak ftm, is a sure sign you are entering a world of soulless, remorseless Chinese salespeople, (Shields UP!), who are basically doing the wishes of their communist overlords. And that wish is to separate Americans and Europeans from their money and put it into Chinese banks. There is no BBB in China that's gonna save you from these scheisters. They don't give a fuck about you. Only your money. Also kids, Chinese made diodes cannot compete with American made diodes atm. It's not even close. China puts together people's designs and ideas. Their ideas tend to be pedestrian, stolen and/or perverted by their detestable, corrupt politicians, poor education and their soulless ideology.
Let's sample some statements now:
"A51 A190's Very well american-made panels that offer great price-performance if u want to be patriotic. U can get the same performance going factory direct from china for less than half with Crees if u wish but not needed"
I mean what the fuck is he talking about? No direct panel from some mystery factory is going to compete with an A51 watt for watt. A51 uses Cree diodes because of their efficacy. Which means you don't have to use as many watts to get the light out, unlike the majority of Chinese made diodes. This is why direct panels have high wattage. They need to draw more power in order to compete with more efficient offerings from CREE or OSRAM or Illumitex, or even anything that comes out of The Free Republic of Taiwan. (Oooooo sick burn, Monkeybreath). When a China direct salesperson touts their wattage draw, it's to use the old American "bigger is better ideology" and to confuse draw and radiometric output. This is a Red Herring and the fact is, he's telling you his LEDs suck and need to burn more energy to compete.
"For that price u can even go with a economical Blackstar 240 that will give u 2x the wattage or better yet one of those standard 100x3w factory direct panels that will give u over 200w actual wattage."
You must remember kiddies wattage for panels is their total draw and has ALMOST NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ABILITY OF A PANEL TO GROW WEED. LEDS ARE NOT VACUUM TUBES! Chinese diodes suck monkey balls compared to actual CREE LEDs. And no folks, no 130 watt Blackstar 240 is going to outgrow a Hans 65 watt panel. Hans panels use some of the best diodes available. BS use whatever diodes that some drunk salesman can sell to another drunk salesman this quarter. Blackstars are inefficient POS compared to A51 or Hans. Do they grow weed, yes they do. I've owned some. Do they do it well or cheaply, no they don't. You pay your electrical company the money you're saving up front when you buy direct. So in the long run, direct costs much more.
"The Crees advantage is purely academic because in real life application, it's not even considering."
Statements like this make no sense. It's just declaratory. It provides no proof and is just a smokescreen to help confuse you. Can you find more of his poor use of logic and obvious nationalism? Go ahead it's good practice in rooting out people like this.
So what have we learned kiddies? Please think critically. Do not believe the one sided arguments of salespeople. This person is some kind of Pro-China shill and is not here to help you. He/They are here to confuse you and you must be aware that in the LED world shills like this exist all over RIU.
I'll leave you with this. If a car is as good as a Lamborghini, you don't sell it for 30 or 40 % less. Maybe 10%, but not 30 or 40% less. Only an idiot would do that and you don't want to buy something from some idiot. Right?
. Now if I can just figure out how to rewire my broken Illumitex panel, (I just had to fuck with it 
), in the next two hours before lights on, it'll be a good day for the Franster. LOL See-ya.