If money isn't an option what would you get....

Okay so I am going to outfit totally with LED, thats 4x panels for 4x 2.5x2.5ft max flowering aeroponic units. 9 clones that all finish around 1-1.5ft height and as I said never a larger footprint than 2.5sq-2.75sq.

Money is not an option but I want the best LED option i can get for that coverage requirement. Each aero sits in 4x4ft space by the way in tents. Forget the other enviromental details as they are sorted.

These panels must replace current 600hps in cooled blockbusters. Current yields with same strain, a G13 Haze x OG Kush from 9 plants, cloned and vegged for 2 weeks ((4in) then flowered for 8 weeks (1.5ft) equals around 12oz.

Suggestions must take into consideration the balance between lowering electricity consumption whilst still keeping up realitistically as well as th fact that only 2.5sq needs to covered...cost is irrelevant as the long term benefits outweigh.

What do you think??

I think you would crush your previous yields with this light on it's own:
http://www.feroledlighting.com/af-600-led-grow-light/

I didnt test this light but I have FERO's previous biggest model and it's doing A LOT better than my previous HIDs/LEDs setup with less wattage.

Another option that might be overkill, on this picture, the light on the wall is a HSS (haight solid state) it's kind of a shitty light on it's own, and you still don't want the plants to touch it (although I am not sure it would do damage..) but it can be kept as close as you want , just not touching. Your room might be too small for this, but if I had unlimited money supply, I would have one of those on each wall in my grow, and the biggest FERO you can fit on top (imo, FERO has the best lights for the price/warranty/customer service).



not the greatest picture coze the plant in front of the light has a bunch of not good looking leaves, but I dont think it's the light coze the other plant in the corner seems to love it.



Another project of mine, in a 3x3 tent, I have a FERO adjustable which draws about 340watts, and next to it a Kessil that draws about 90W (maybe less not sure, it's a H350) so about 420Watts in the 3x3 tent, it's just getting started but I have a good feeling about this setup.


I hope my opinion helps! Cheers, happy LED growin whatever you buy!

Endur0xX said:

I think you would crush your previous yields with this light on it's own:
http://www.feroledlighting.com/af-600-led-grow-light/

I didnt test this light but I have FERO's previous biggest model and it's doing A LOT better than my previous HIDs/LEDs setup with less wattage.

Another option that might be overkill, on this picture, the light on the wall is a HSS (haight solid state) it's kind of a shitty light on it's own, and you still don't want the plants to touch it (although I am not sure it would do damage..) but it can be kept as close as you want , just not touching. Your room might be too small for this, but if I had unlimited money supply, I would have one of those on each wall in my grow, and the biggest FERO you can fit on top (imo, FERO has the best lights for the price/warranty/customer service).

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Thanks for the input man, as for the solid state..well I am not a fan of it at all, I don't like the thick plastic the light needs to travel through and I dont think side lighting will aid me at all, the plants are just not that tall for any benefit.

As for the fero...well it sure as hell would crush the 600 but would it not just be OTT overkill considering I need to only cover 2.5sq. Yes I could just throw the big guns in there but is there an option that reduces the power draw yet still taking advantage of the canopy size etc.

At first I thought this was an easy question to answer but as Ive been shopping I have realised it is not that easy an answer..

I edited my first post, if your goal is to use less power, perhaps my other setup in the tent might work good for you. At first you said money isnt an option that's why I went with the big guns!! hehe, If you get more pot out of the same power you were using, it's great too no?

you can check out my journal in my sign, on my last update you can see things are coming along nicely.

Endur0xX said:

I edited my first post, if your goal is to use less power, perhaps my other setup in the tent might work good for you. At first you said money isnt an option that's why I went with the big guns!! hehe, If you get more pot out of the same power you were using, it's great too no?

you can check out my journal in my sign, on my last update you can see things are coming along nicely.

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Yeah I'd like to get away from 2400W. I really like the square shape of the fero's....I was looking hard at the.....http://ferodistributors.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=10&products_id=63

I like the size of it in relation to my required canopy size. Thanks for your input none the less. 1 question though, do the movable clusters make enough of a addition to warrant it being there?

Thanks again..

good question! I guess the answer is no, well not really, I have come to realize that this light is more suitable for someone that has only one room and goes from seed to harvest (because you have the option to use one row of clusters at a time, so you can start with lower wattage on smaller plants, I wish that the cluster would go both ways also (all of them move from left to right, and not 4 directions), great light none the less) so for you requirements, I would probably go for a http://www.feroledlighting.com/189x3w-led/ depending on the lens, I believe this one has the better newer lens. I am not sure.


with that said, when I first got the light I thought I wouldnt use the adjustable feature that much, and as of today, I directed more clusters towards smaller plants to help them catch up, see if that works!!

Endur0xX said:

good question! I guess the answer is no, well not really, I have come to realize that this light is more suitable for someone that has only one room and goes from seed to harvest (because you have the option to use one row of clusters at a time, so you can start with lower wattage on smaller plants, I wish that the cluster would go both ways also (all of them move from left to right, and not 4 directions), great light none the less) so for you requirements, I would probably go for a http://www.feroledlighting.com/189x3w-led/ depending on the lens, I believe this one has the better newer lens. I am not sure.


with that said, when I first got the light I thought I wouldnt use the adjustable feature that much, and as of today, I directed more clusters towards smaller plants to help them catch up, see if that works!!

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I really like this light and it's size, and I think considering the footprint that it should be able to produce at least an ounce per plant, that is more than satisfactory.

I kinda thought that the swivel would be on one axis with them clusters, probably more for people who grow specialist plants and stuff in a bigger area.

Different perspective: Build your own.

If you have a soldering iron, and access to the internet it becomes very easy to put together a led light.
There are some heavy pro's if you have the time, money and patience:
1. No faulty wiring: You did it yourself, quality assurance
2. Price of repair: Repairing an out of warranty light becomes something of ease, now your led lighting can last
3. Face plate arrangement and light design: personally I don't like the way current leds light our plants, and I can experiment with the way I do it.
4. Color rendition: You choose the spectrum, how heavily each diode is run, and when they are run
5. Dimming and timers: with dimmers and timing circuitry we can make our lights pulse with intensity to expose it to doses of higher than average lighting (think clouds)
6. Price: Although right now it's about 1$/watt for the DIY'ers, imagine what it will be two years from now when you've learned how to do it. It's only getting cheaper!
7. Attachment: You get what you earn, if you take time to do it right your light will last a very long time.
8. To people new to the Led growing scene you can choose to build 3000k lights for Flowering. It makes the learning curve easier to start with full spectrum.

With the devil's advocate exercised from my body I can say one thing. Those Fero lights look awesome! Damn, they did a good thing with those adjustable modules. Go with what's good for you, and I'm sure by now you know what's best.
Just remember,
ILovePlants

well if money is no option I would look at the http://californialightworks.com/Products_SolarStorm.htm or http://www.lumigrow.com/products/pro-series-greenhouse-lights/ just my opinion...........fucking great lights

I'm currently looking into selling back my ES330 to get one of those new pro greenhouse series from lumigrow. If it works as well as their previous line it should be a real contender in the high end LED market

@PSUAGRO...Thanks for the input man, californialightworks is a no go as they only do 110V and not our standard 240V....lumigrow looks nice but I can't find a price or a decent video or grow document. What have you seen of them that you like them so much...I do like the product very much though, I like the ability to adjust as it applies to my 4 phase schedule in seperate spaces..

@okcomputer....How have you found the 330?? what are main upgrades in the 336pro? and how much are they?

okcomputer said:

I'm currently looking into selling back my ES330 to get one of those new pro greenhouse series from lumigrow. If it works as well as their previous line it should be a real contender in the high end LED market

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Love the avatar man, I had the same one a while back...I'm sure I've seen him on a beach in Portugal before..lol

I would go with a BD700 from Black Dog.
http://www.blackdogled.com/BD700_p_10.html
I love my Platinum XL's
Sidd

Siddhartha2 said:

I would go with a BD700 from Black Dog.
http://www.blackdogled.com/BD700_p_10.html
I love my Platinum XL's
Sidd

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Thanks man but everyone seems to be missing the point, unlimited budget does not mean that I have to buy the biggest baddest out there, the real question is what is the best light for maximum yield in a 2.5-3sq ft that can still take consumption and snap it in half, I'm thinking about 300W for 9 clones that finish about 1-1.5ft and a 2.75ft max sq coverage over aero.

So the question evolves to what is the best +/-300W LED panel out there, so far fero 189X or the Pro325 from lumigrow looks tasty, any more suggestions folks?

For max output with min watts used, i'd roll with the new lumigrows or a couple apache techs.

puffenuff said:

For max output with min watts used, i'd roll with the new lumigrows or a couple apache techs.

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What do you reckon of those white and red apaches? I get a gut feeling of potential when I see them.. I just spoke to them, 325 is 1499 but is equivalent to a 1000W in intensity within 4x4. So 2.5-3sq would be like god shitting sun poops on my g13 girls..mmmmm

PS. the apaches are great sq but 2x over my space is just not OCD zen man, I get the chills thinking about this, they need to make a 300W unit simply upscaled just for me...and then the world if they want..blame the purple kush man

I am currently running the white and red apache. Haven't finished up the grow yet but the potential is there and reports back on them are outstanding so I have high expectations. The lumigrow 325 pro is goibg to be a beast, im stoked for it

puffenuff said:

I am currently running the white and red apache. Haven't finished up the grow yet but the potential is there and reports back on them are outstanding so I have high expectations. The lumigrow 325 pro is goibg to be a beast, im stoked for it

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What sort of coverage do you think the apache 120 realistically has, I'd love to plop a 160W over my aeros and get 9-10 ounces but will they really do it in 2.75..?

2 posts and you're pushing an unheard-of company in both of your posts?

You Chinese LED resellers make me sick.

Fluffhead420 said:

If money was no option i would deck out with about 4 Rhinogrow 400s in my 5x5 tent. sucks about 750 watts, puts out comparable to 1600. Crazy stuff is going to happen in the next year with all LEDs. Glad to be apart of this.

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