Iced Grapefruit, Skunk#1, Menage a Trois, Flower from day 1

mycomaster

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I'll make oil from air dried trim the next day after harvesting if it's dry enough. I try not to make too much oil out of my dried flowers, like I did today, but some times I have been known to do it in a bind. Whenever I do make any oil though I always use my best as to get the best out the end product. The first time I made oil I had just had a great harvest, and someone helping me trim was talking about it. The next day we had a giant pvc pipe, and some coffee filters on the end blasting it with like 6 cans of Ronsonol butane, Ha Ha. Never again with that crap, but I remember I was toasted for the rest of the week puffin on that stuff with no purge to it or anything, just scrape, and smoke. Ahh the good ol days! I got some pics for everyone. I want to show everyone what a superior end product should look like out of the tube. I blasted one tube with my Skunk#1, and another with something my friend gave me that I didn't want to smoke on. The one looks like a beautiful amber jewel just dug up and polished, and the other looks like a turd polished.
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I'll tell you right now the one that looks like amber is gonna be fire, and the other will be getting mixed with bowls of flowers. I have to stress people these are small runs of just like 8 grams of flowers, and it's all personal. I didn't use one sugar leaf in any of this, just flowers, and even though the other doesn't look good now I promise you my friend is a good organic grower, he just has a ways to go yet is all, and it will look and smoke good after I'm done. I just wanted to let you guys see that there is a difference where you start from, and it does make a difference in where you end up with this as far as potency. You just can't shoot crappy smoke and come out with fire in the end, it doesn't work that way. You will come out with a concentrate of what you had which will be stronger though. I'll have all this whipped later and also purged, although that amber stuff would be a great start to some shatter if i do say so myself, and i wouldn't want to whip it if I'm gonna go in that direction would I. IDK what I'll do with the amber now, but I am gonna whip the other for sure and make me a little vac purge cookie. I don't like to smoke it until I can handle it without feeling like I grabbed a fly trap. I will though to test and see where I'm at as far as potency. Even after a purge I like to let it air out for a day or so sometimes to get what looks like a pile pf melted trichs in the scope. Oh I wish my usb scope pictures would load for you guys! You really are missing out if you haven't seen that, quite trippy and surreal looking I think. alright everyone take it easy, and I'll post some more pics as this oil progresses through the processes. BTW Good to see you again Hamish. I like having someone to chat about oil with, only me and Slipon make it around here as far as I know. I don't make alot but I try to make the best I can. Peace and Love.
 
GandalfdaGreen

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Myco, I love you man. You have opened my eyes to making my own oil. I am going to throw my hand in this week. I have never made my own oil. Can you list the things I will need and get me going? Thanks bro. You are talking to a complete oil noob. I am an oil virgin. :shock: Hamish and Slipon, any tips?

Myco....do you have a link to the usb scope?
 
Slipon

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well I just use normal propane gas as you can buy for lighters (be careful)

then a small container, first I used one I made out of a pice of plastic tube, then I made one at work in stainless steal

both I made small, just enough to hold like 3-5 gram of cutting, reason, so I never have to empty more then 1/10 of a bottle of gas at the time

I do it under the hood at my cooker, at max, and no lights on or open fire wile you do it

beside the gas and a container you need a pice of fine netting, I got some at work, agin in stainless steal in 150my or sumthing along, some I have seen use naylon stockings or even coffee filters

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reason why I make it so small, is so I can do it a bit at the time, so I don't blow up my apartment or myself, and out of 5 gram nice trimming you can easily make 1/2 of oil, enough to get you wasted, I use a few drops in my mix to pimp up the Bud`s a bit when I feel like it, pure oil is almost to much

if you have a house with a backyard I would advice you to go outside and do it, have seen nasty accident over the years in the news, tho every time it seem`s like its some moron pothead with a cig in the side of his mouth wile emptying 2 bottles of gas indoors

hope this help some, there are other ways of making it, but this is the one I find the most easy, both to get the gas and to make it, just have to be careful
 
mycomaster

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Glad to hear you say that Gandalf. I think you'll like making your own oil bro, I know you're good at making meds. First you'll need a tube I use a stainless steel turkey baster,http://www.ebay.com/itm/Stainless-Steel-Turkey-Poultry-Baster-Set-w-Injector-Kitchen-/290944658351?pt=Kitchen_Tools_Gadgets&hash=item43bda72baf, this one. Alot of people use glass, but I'm clumsy and would just break it anyways. The baster holds about 7-9 grams depending on how well your flowers are broke up. I took the bulb and cut the bottom off like a rubber ring to hold the screen. Now for the screen alot of people just use paper coffee filters, but I use two paper and a patch cut from a metal coffee filter screen. I just wrap them around the end with the metal patch on the outside, and then put the ribber ring on. I then take a zip tie, and you can also use a hose clamp on the end to secure it.http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-Cans-Power-5X-Butane-Gas-300ml-5-X-Super-Filtered-Refined-Lighter-Refill-Fuel-/130689467137?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e6db30301 Here is the butane I like to use, there are lots of different kinds, but you want at least a 5x refined. The link here is new and also a good price I think for a case. When you place your flowers in the tube you want to make sure it's not too densely packed, but it's not loose either, you'll get a feel for this over time, as it's hard to explain without reference. If you pack it too hard you'll get it spraying back out the end of the tube, so be careful. I always go outside to blast my material in a well ventilated area. Make sure nothing is around that can spark or anything like that. No a/c units or anything like that. Make sure you have a clean pyrex dish, the bigger and flatter with the least amount of rounded edges. I.E. square not round, as it's easier to scrape out the intensely sticky, thick oil out of. I like to use a pancake hot plate, or griddle whatever you call it. Put it on about 150 degrees, then put your dish on it and let it warm. Spray your butane through collecting it in your warm pan. After your done you let the gas vape off until it's dry essentially, and warm it until you can work it some, and then put it on a slicone mat like this.http://www.ebay.com/itm/SLICK-SLAB-Best-Product-High-Times-Cannabis-Cup-SF-Oil-Slick-Duos-pads-stackers-/321155126878?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ac656565e Doesn't have to be this big or this brand, but this kind is really nice. You then work it whipping it with something like a spooned dental tool, and aerating it, with the low heat on. After you work with it for a little bit, and get some of the gasses out, you put it in a vacuum chamber and purge the remaining gasses.http://www.ebay.com/itm/VACUUM-CHAMBER-STABILIZE-BURL-WOOD-DEGASSING-SILICONES-RESIN-CACTUS-JUICE-MAPLE-/121147665765?pt=BI_Pumps&hash=item1c34f6ad65 something like this, with a pump. I usually go about 6-8 hours depending on how it looks, and what I started with and the amount and all that crap. I'm sure I left a bunch of stuff out, but that's the whole potato without much peeling. I'm sure others will jump in and let you know what I left out. If anybody has info please post it, as my fimgers are getting trired from typing. Any questions please just ask. Peace out. BTW there are lots of ways and products to use to do this, this is just my way.
 
GandalfdaGreen

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And so the project begins. I am throwing down an entire plant with your method. I won't be able to start with that until she finishes but I am going to be running into a bunch of trim in the next few days. Thank you so much. I am jumping up and down. kiss-ass
 
Mad Hamish

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mycomaster said:
I'll make oil from air dried trim the next day after harvesting if it's dry enough. I try not to make too much oil out of my dried flowers, like I did today, but some times I have been known to do it in a bind. Whenever I do make any oil though I always use my best as to get the best out the end product. The first time I made oil I had just had a great harvest, and someone helping me trim was talking about it. The next day we had a giant pvc pipe, and some coffee filters on the end blasting it with like 6 cans of Ronsonol butane, Ha Ha. Never again with that crap, but I remember I was toasted for the rest of the week puffin on that stuff with no purge to it or anything, just scrape, and smoke. Ahh the good ol days! I got some pics for everyone. I want to show everyone what a superior end product should look like out of the tube. I blasted one tube with my Skunk#1, and another with something my friend gave me that I didn't want to smoke on. The one looks like a beautiful amber jewel just dug up and polished, and the other looks like a turd polished.
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I'll tell you right now the one that looks like amber is gonna be fire, and the other will be getting mixed with bowls of flowers. I have to stress people these are small runs of just like 8 grams of flowers, and it's all personal. I didn't use one sugar leaf in any of this, just flowers, and even though the other doesn't look good now I promise you my friend is a good organic grower, he just has a ways to go yet is all, and it will look and smoke good after I'm done. I just wanted to let you guys see that there is a difference where you start from, and it does make a difference in where you end up with this as far as potency. You just can't shoot crappy smoke and come out with fire in the end, it doesn't work that way. You will come out with a concentrate of what you had which will be stronger though. I'll have all this whipped later and also purged, although that amber stuff would be a great start to some shatter if i do say so myself, and i wouldn't want to whip it if I'm gonna go in that direction would I. IDK what I'll do with the amber now, but I am gonna whip the other for sure and make me a little vac purge cookie. I don't like to smoke it until I can handle it without feeling like I grabbed a fly trap. I will though to test and see where I'm at as far as potency. Even after a purge I like to let it air out for a day or so sometimes to get what looks like a pile pf melted trichs in the scope. Oh I wish my usb scope pictures would load for you guys! You really are missing out if you haven't seen that, quite trippy and surreal looking I think. alright everyone take it easy, and I'll post some more pics as this oil progresses through the processes. BTW Good to see you again Hamish. I like having someone to chat about oil with, only me and Slipon make it around here as far as I know. I don't make alot but I try to make the best I can. Peace and Love.
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Take my advice, seeing as you are doing perpetual you can keep some aside:

The better your herb is cured, the better the oil! I keep my bags of trim for about 4 months before they get the gas. Thing is, the oil is a CONCENTRATE of whatever the bud is. So to get a full connoisseur flavour, you need to still give the weed the best treatment it possibly can get, including drying.

Also, you need a sealed pressurised tube to get it nice and economical. A mate of mine makes them out of stainless steel, one end has got a valve like a bicycle tyre, the other end has a screen and some holes that fit over another set of holes with rubber seals (think rings) so you seal the tube by tightening the bottom ring, and loosen the ring to loosen the seals and let the gas through. You end up using less than 1/10th to extract the same amount of oil...

Once you've got your herb and pressurised gas in the tube (you can hear liquid gas sloshing) chuck it in the freezer... Freezing the herb before you make will ALWAYS increase yields of your oil too, btw, even with the oldschool tube and screen method.

And take my advice on this one too: OIL CURES. Make it, but don't touch it for a week. I bet you it'll scrape off as crystals that can be pressed together into a nice ball you can actually play with, no more runny mess...

If your oil comes out runny, that's usually fresh or flash-dried herb. It's the chlorophyll that makes it runny. The less of that stuff you can have in the oil the better. At least in oil it doesn't quite taste green, but it does cover the insane DANKNESS of a well-cured oil.

If it's perfect, it shuld taste EXACTLY like the cured bud, except much stronger flavour ;)

Told ya, OIL FREAK lol...
 
Mad Hamish

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I'll ask my bud if he's got some in stock, the extractor tubes. If not I'll have him make for you guys, I have no problem sending anywhere in the world. High quality stuff. Damn I need a camera NOW lol...
 
mycomaster

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Really great info Hamish! I would love to get one of those tubes you're talking about I could really see the benefits of it. I always try to get the best seal I can get, so as not to waste the butane. I also try to use frozen product as well, I can tell a difference for sure. I have to agree as well with the final product being better with the better cured or processed product going in. Alot of times I am just going for strength, and am sick when making oil so I kind of make do. When I feel better I always end up with alot better oil in the end though. My vacuum chamber for some reason won't seal though so I guess I'll just winterize this batch, I really wish that thing was working:wall:. I've always had a vac chamber so I don't know where to get ethanol where I live at. Good grief it's always something. I'll do what I can, but this batch might not get purged. i hate not to do it, but I'm not waiting for a new one to get here, I could whip the gas out before that. Prolly not all of it, but alot of it. OH WELL. Anyways, thanks for all the great info man, what a help. Wow you are an oil freak bro, but I always say "If you're gonna do something, do the sum bitch right!" Let me know any info on those tubes man, as I don't have a problem paying for a good product. If I can get my oil to a better plateau I'm all for it. Good looking out, I thought someone would come in, and help me with anything I was leaving out, and sure enough The Right person seems to have come in at the right time. Any more info you feel like typing, go nuts bro we're all ears and eyes! Peace out.
 
Mad Hamish

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Hehehe, I only became an oil freak because of a stretch of 9 months where I could only find bush-weed so me and my buddy went a bit mental with it.
Props to the G-man though he really refined it to some kind of artform. He's made more batches of oil than I've crushed a section to toke. And it was an Israeli buddy that figured out the whole curing thing and to use dry bud etc... Can't take much credit for any of the info, just passing along what a group of guys figured out together :)

TBH, I had to get SICK of oil before I could have the patience to cure the herb etc. Trust me when I got my first crop after smoking oil only for almost a year I forgot all about hash oil... What I made until last year I've been giving away, this year I kept a small bit for emergencies. I like it, but nothing beats good bud, it makes me feel full, oil works it's just missing a little something doesn't feel like weed quite...
 
mycomaster

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I have to agree, there's nothing like good flowers when it comes to marijuana. I enjoy concentrates, and edibles very much, but it always comes full circle to my flowers in the end. You'll just never get that full effect you're talking about with the concentrates, at least not yet that I know of. I'll always make them and enjoy it, and until there is a more complete feeling concentrate I prefer a properly made bho ATM. I always stream movies off of netflix if I'm not listening to music while online, and today it's C&C "up in smoke". What a friggin classic, and it's at the part in the beginning where they're in the car smokin the Q.P. joint. Anyways, I seen you came in Hamish, and wanted to thank you for the extra info yesterday on the oil. I know Gandalf appreciated it as well. I'm pullin down my Iced Grapefruit today, and will be making some oil out of that after the trim dries, and does a little cure;-). I'll also be using some of the lower flowers as well after they get a little cure to them I think. You were saying that if you leave what you spray in the dish, and let it sir out it's best? Do you purge this after you let it sit as well? I would assume you would heat this on a hot plate or something to facilitate removal. I always use a griddle I have works great. I'll try and post some pics later, I have a bust day though. Peace out.
 
Slipon

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mycomaster said:
I have to agree, there's nothing like good flowers when it comes to marijuana. I enjoy concentrates, and edibles very much, but it always comes full circle to my flowers in the end. You'll just never get that full effect you're talking about with the concentrates, at least not yet that I know of. I'll always make them and enjoy it, and until there is a more complete feeling concentrate I prefer a properly made bho ATM. I always stream movies off of netflix if I'm not listening to music while online, and today it's C&C "up in smoke". What a friggin classic, and it's at the part in the beginning where they're in the car smokin the Q.P. joint. Anyways, I seen you came in Hamish, and wanted to thank you for the extra info yesterday on the oil. I know Gandalf appreciated it as well. I'm pullin down my Iced Grapefruit today, and will be making some oil out of that after the trim dries, and does a little cure;-). I'll also be using some of the lower flowers as well after they get a little cure to them I think. You were saying that if you leave what you spray in the dish, and let it sir out it's best? Do you purge this after you let it sit as well? I would assume you would heat this on a hot plate or something to facilitate removal. I always use a griddle I have works great. I'll try and post some pics later, I have a bust day though. Peace out.
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try to look up "Fare out Man" on Netflix also a pure classic



edit: found first part on youtube, take a look ;)

[video=youtube;SKG1itLvKYA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKG1itLvKYA[/video]
 
Mad Hamish

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mycomaster said:
I have to agree, there's nothing like good flowers when it comes to marijuana. I enjoy concentrates, and edibles very much, but it always comes full circle to my flowers in the end. You'll just never get that full effect you're talking about with the concentrates, at least not yet that I know of. I'll always make them and enjoy it, and until there is a more complete feeling concentrate I prefer a properly made bho ATM. I always stream movies off of netflix if I'm not listening to music while online, and today it's C&C "up in smoke". What a friggin classic, and it's at the part in the beginning where they're in the car smokin the Q.P. joint. Anyways, I seen you came in Hamish, and wanted to thank you for the extra info yesterday on the oil. I know Gandalf appreciated it as well. I'm pullin down my Iced Grapefruit today, and will be making some oil out of that after the trim dries, and does a little cure;-). I'll also be using some of the lower flowers as well after they get a little cure to them I think. You were saying that if you leave what you spray in the dish, and let it sir out it's best? Do you purge this after you let it sit as well? I would assume you would heat this on a hot plate or something to facilitate removal. I always use a griddle I have works great. I'll try and post some pics later, I have a bust day though. Peace out.
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I use a two-step cleaning method: Firstly, I use a Pyrex glass bowl to make the oil in. Before even starting, I heat a big pot of water with the pyrex bowl floating right inside it (you can already see why it HAS to be Pyrex), not all the way to boil but just before. I usually move this outside and I also use a respirator because of the amount of gas that evaporates off and it tends to go towards my face (vacuum I guess), not essential but I'm a stickler for safety.
Run the butane straight into the HOT pyrex bowl, it starts bubbling off really fast, if only small drops hit the bowl the gas literally 'poofs' away instantly. You can let it run and run in there, it will all 'boil' off in under 3 minutes leaving you with clear bubbling oil at the bottom of the bowl.
Leaving it out will let the last gas dissipate over 3 days or so, it takes a while. Alternatively, you can DIY a little vacuum chamber, and put the bowl STILL WARM straight into there and switch on your vacuum pump. It just rises up and bubbles again, amazing how much butane is left trapped in the oil mate.
And after that comes the cure, which I am pretty much 100 percent certain removes the last gas anyhow but yeah we had a lot of time on our hands. Just leave it open, I usually cover the bowl with one of my old silk screens so it can breathe but no bugs can fall in. I once made a bowl of oil only to find hundreds of fungus gnats in it the next day. That was NOT cool lol...

If you're going to leave it to cure, one word of caution: DON'T use plastic to scrape it! If it actually goes to that crystalline state, the plastic scrapers tend to shoot the fine crystals you scrape off all over the place. I use a leatherworking chisel, you can work slow and easy.

I'd love to see comparative microscope pics of the oil and the oil gone crystalline. I can tell you, if you get the honey crystals you will be staring at the stuff for ages. If it doesn't want to stick together, very very good, just keep at it for a minute it'll warm up.

Best one I ever made got squished into what looked like a throat lozenge, it was amazing you could see right through it yet play with it like hash. If you took a corner of it to 'break' off, it would stretch pretty much infinitely without breaking, till it was thinner than a hair. I only got it like that ONCE in my life. If I told you the story you wouldn't believe me, let's just say there is a reason I only do the extractions outdoors lol...
 
Mad Hamish

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... One last tip to try out: Better than pipes and screens, you can make a very quick disposable oil tube using plastic soda bottles, the 500ml ones. All you need to do is drill a bunch of tiny holes, and I mean TINY, in the bottom end, and one hole in the bottle cap to make the hole for the gas' nipple. I used to just slice little 'fins' using a stanley knife.
I double-checked with a chemical engineer buddy and as long as it is NEW plastic there is nothing that reacts or gets put into the product at all. So it's a disposable tube, you only use it ONCE, after that it might not be 100 percent pure and safe.
Nice thing is it pressurises a decent amount and you get a LOT of liquid gas running through. You need a bowl for it, otherwise it's too much liquid. Use about half a bottle of gas at once so the bowl fills nicely with liquid gas, it helps spread it out thin and it cleans easier when thinned out a bit.
Pressure is good when it comes to oil, but be careful for blow-back when removing the gas from your 'valve'. I let it just fit real snug and used to leave the gas bottle on there between flushes.

And you get the highest amount of oil with the tube filled just under 3/4. I don't know why, but if they are too full, it doesn't yield as much :/
 
mycomaster

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Another great movie as well, yes. What a slobbenly sum bitch you know. I'll have the Green Poison in the flower tent by the end of the night hopefully. Either way I'll have the Iced Grapefruit out, and getting her chopped on. My wife has the day off, and offered her services with the trimming. I can't even tell you guys how cool that is, considering my dang arthritis and crap. I'll also be taking out the Menage a Trois soon. She's been alot of fun, but she's not doing anything anymore, no more swelling, no more trichs, no more stay in my place. @$$, cash, or gas no one rides for free, so to speak. That will open a little room for a bit, and let me spread my girls out some. I'm not quite sure when I'll do this, prolly over the weekend. I do know I want to leave a little space open for a minute, and let the girls open up some. I just want the girls down stairs to get a little bigger, and I also want my girls in the tent to have some light get to the lowers they have. In hind sight I should have used a big net and just supercropped and scrogged the Blue O.G. under it opening the whole thing up. Oh well, she'll do good enough in the cage, and I'd never mess with her this far along in flower. I was looking at the Iced Grapefruit earlier, and it's starting to get little fox-tails on the upper flowers which is usually a sure sign of being done. More details to come. Peace out.
 
Mad Hamish

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My apologies if I got outta hand with that. My wife's away for a few months and I get real bored lol. Kinda went apeshit on RIU what can I say TV sucks lol...
Anyhow, diggin checking out how you guys train your plants, I'm a training noob I only know outdoor trees and SOG. Trained plants are PRETTY. You say it is too late to mess with your blue OG. Where's the limit there, when do you definitely not fiddle anymore? Very curious.
 
mycomaster

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If you have great info like you're posting, feel free bro. I usually do one last trim about 2 weeks in after the girl shows me which flower spots, and even which branches are gonna be worth their salt. After that I really try to have all my training, tying, and cutting done. I've seen too many herm issues come from people messing with a girl after the 3 weeks into 12/12. Ask Slipon and his cache of LSD seeds. not a bad way to get free seeds, but nothing you want to find in your medical stash, you know. I'm in no way insulting you Slip, just a reference I know to use is all, and I know you like your seed stash. If I knew I could do controlled seed runs like that, I would in a heart beat with the way things are with my customs right now, believe you me. I'm having Herbies send another package since the first one was snagged, or whatever happened to it. It still says processed through sort facility in Chicago. Oh well, now it's going to another person at a business at another addy in another state. I hope like all get out it comes through, if not Herbies said they'll refund my cash, so no worries. I'm also not just shipping it to the same name and address and pissing off whoever is keeping track of all this cause you can bet your sweet @$$ they are. What a world. No I should say country to be correct. If nobody remembers the order was for G-13 x Skunk#1, Afghani x Skunk#1, Lemon Thai Kush, Lemon Kush, White Widow x Skunk#1, and another 2 I can't remember at the moment. Good grief old age is a witch guys. As you can see I love Skunk#1 strains, they never disappoint in my experiences. Hopefully soon enough Gage Green gets a hold of me with their tester genetics. Until then I have 8 ladies in veg, 2 being the Bay11 regs, so I'm not sure of their sex yet, but have high hopes. I can't say their really impressing me at this point, with the one having a bad leaf mutation, and the other just being slow. They were both free so we'll see. I'll be able to stock up some with the others so I'm not worried about those 2 for the most part, they do what they do. Hamish if you can apply your love of oil to love of plant training you're gonna be good bro. DSC03032.jpgDSC03033.jpgDSC03035.jpg I think it's alot of fun to train a plant like a bonsai, and get her how I want. Peace out.
 
Mad Hamish

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I've been watching the threads and noticed you guys are having a tough time with the customs in Chicago. It really sucks for you guys, bigtime. I'm certain the good folks at seed banks everywhere will outfox them soon.

I have not yet read the review where the poor chap doesn't get his beans on the second go, so the odds are in your favour, Sir! How could the universe not send a garden like that it's dank? I know that sounds like hippie bullshit, but, I AM kinda a hippie lol... It'll get there bro.
 
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