Ice, Rocklock and Crystal, grow. Foliar feeding experiment, started 12/12 Sept. 25th

kingofqueen

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Looking good man , I tilled in peletized dolomite in my big tomato plant outside , it was getting blossom end rot ,which is causedby a cal mag
def. Cleared em up within a week I was surprised .

I finally foliar feed the rest of my plants the yellowing on new growth greened right up ! But does that mean I,m not feeding enough N I wonder?
 

jawbrodt

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I finally foliar feed the rest of my plants the yellowing on new growth greened right up ! But does that mean I,m not feeding enough N I wonder?
Yep, that's exactly what it means. That's why I love foliar so much, it fills the gaps that we've unintentionally left open. I like the feeling of safety that it gives, knowing that it'll correct any flaws in my feeding routine, which I admit, don't have down to a science, yet. Since I started using it, a couple weeks into this grow, it's worked flawlessly. I don't mean to sound like I'm bragging or anything, I'm not. I'm just really happy with the results. I've only been growing a little over a year, and this grow, has been the best so far. I attribute that to foliar feeding. I just gave my first root feeding last night,(at more than 6 weeks, from seed) and so far, the plants are flawless, not a discoloration anywhere. Foliar is here to stay, in my grows. :grin:
 

jawbrodt

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Hey Jawbrodt whats going on. Good idea using the cal mag, Ice seem to have a little problem with calcium def, besides being a nitrogen hog. Couple of things that I do for the calcium issue are....Keep the ph of the watering a little higher than usual like high 6s, add steamed bonemeal which is very high in calcium to the mix and also add lime to the soil as a sweetener to raise the ph. Just started doing that recently and helped tremendously.

I have a batch of Ice at 4.5 weeks, the Ice get a little special treatment...they have their own little budroom seperate from the other one lol

Hey I would love to hear, detailed step by step, how you get your clones to root so fast!

Highlander
Thanks man. I haven't had any deficiencies since I started using the Calmag, plus, I like the extra dose of micros, it provides. I would certainly go with bonemeal, if/when I make the switch to organics. For now, I'll stick with chemical nutes, til I get a couple good grows in. :weed: Like you, I keep my PH up, as well. My tap water is 6.8-6.9, and everything else I use, is PH'd to 6.6-6.8, usually closer to 6.8. That seems to help keep the PH in check, along with the lime. I haven't had any PH problems since early this year, and am also happy with lime's qualities.:)

Also, I'd be more than happy to post the details of my cloning process. It's nothing special, just attention to detail, mostly. Would you rather I PM it to you, or post it here? I'm totally fine, with either. :bigjoint:
 

Highlanders cave

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Here would be great.

I do know that the rapid rooters work really well, guess im just frugal lol, or cheap. I use rockwool. Ha ha and I put 2 cuttings per cube. Last batch of clones are coming up on two weeks and the majority are rooted and the rest will be close behind. Started with 62 and most if not all will make it. Going to do a 48 single cola sog with reggaerican, well he's doing 49...san fran 49s fan lol.

And thanks for the tip on foliar feeding, I know my Ice strain could benefit. Later
 

jawbrodt

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^As per requested, I'm going to give ya'll a step by step, of my cloning process. :wink: It's nothing special, just the bare essentials. I currenty have had rooting times of just under 6 days, with all of them ready by day 8(today)...

-First off, I want to say that I don't keep a mother plant. I don't have the room, and it's not really necessary, IMO. After all, I only remove one or two of the lowest branches from my plants,(vegged 4-5 weeks, normally) which'd normally go to waste, during flowering. If anything, they get a few popcorn buds. Usually, they just die off, or get trimmed for airflow.

-I take cuttings that are still soft and flexible,(approx 1/8" in diameter) because they root faster than 'woody' cuttings. Also, I don't take cuttings that have discoloration, or deformed foliage. Heath is important for speed, IMO.

-I snip them about 1/4" from the main stem, then place them in a glass of plain water, for an hour or so, so that they are max hydrated. This keeps droop to a minimum.

-Then I hydrate(expand) my peat pellets, and 'fluff them', so to speak. Usually, the peat is compacted, and I like to break it up before use, by rolling them between my hands, and/or using a large nail to break them up, sorta 'stirring' them from the top. Then, I compress them just enough so that they stay together. I then take that nail, and open up a hole in the center(all the way to the bottom, minus 1/4")(I have duct tape wrapped around the nail, to guage depth), getting them ready for the cuttings to be inserted.

-The cuttings are ready now, after hydrating. I then trim the foliage. Typically, I keep the first two sets of larger fan leaves, and the grow tip. If the fan leave are around 3" long, or longer, I cut them back to around 2", cutting straight across the fingers.

-I use a razor blade to make the 45* cut(have used sharp scissors, with great results, as well)(a razor is preferred, though, because there is no risk of crushing the cutting). I also trim mine in open air, and not submerged under water. I don't believe that submerging removes any "air bubbles", as many believe. I make the cut 1/4-1/2" below a node, having cut the branches very close, even with the rest of the stem. That's it. No scraping, splitting the base, etc... no nothing.

-I use both powder and gel, have been experimenting with that, and they both perform exactly the same. I dip them and make sure an ince of stem, is well-covered with gel/powder.

-They are inserted into the pellets, almost the whole way to the bottom. IMO, depth is important. I've experimented with that, as well. The pellets are them given a light squeeze, and some water will be running out, as they're compressed. This part is critical. It's very important that the cutting is making good contact with the peat, as evenly as possible. I'm very picky about that, making sure it's tight from top to bottom, and evenly around all sides. I then spray them with water again, not so that they tirn to a pile of soaking mud, but close. That'll sustain them through the whole process, except for some mild mistings, after the first three days. Once a day, I'll give them 3-4 pumps with the spray bottle, making sure the outside of the pellets haven't dried.

-The are now ready to be placed in the humidity dome. I mist the tray, cuttings, and dome itself, then cover them, and place them under my light. IMO, less is more, when it comes to lighting. I believe that too much light, increase the tendency for foliage growth, rather than focusing on rooting. Spectrum isn't that important, either. I have no idea what mine is(around 4000K, I think). I use a 20 watt 2' tube fluoro, placed 4-6" above the dome. IMO, the photoperiod is what's important, more than spectrum or intensity. I use 18/6, for a smooth transition to veg, where I also use 18/6. I like to always make things as smooth as possible. It's only logical, IMO.

-Last but not least, is temperature. My room temps have been between 68-75*, fluctuating with day and night. I have my heating pad on a timer, set to kick on and off, every 15 minutes. I don't have a thermostat, and that timing works really well, as a substitute. I just checked the conditions inside my dome, and the temp is 75*, with humidity at 71%. Temps get up into the lower 80's, sometimes, which doesn't hurt at all. I try to keep it below 82*.

That pretty much covers it, and i hope you've found a tip or two, that is helpful. :) It's now close to day 8, and they all look to have started vegging, having grown a little already. They are now ready for transplant, which I hope to get done tomorrow. If I have time, I plan to go directly to my final sized pots, skipping a few transplants. This should save me some veg time. I also plan to use more perlite than usual, due to that decision. I don't want to risk the soil staying too wet for too long(the main cause of overwatering), and am planning to go with 25% perlite, to compensate for that. I know it'll work. They are then ready to be placed under full fluoro light,(I can't offer any advice on HIDs, other than to be careful of the heat. The babies are fragile at this point) and will soon take off. :wink:
 

kingofqueen

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Nice right up ! I want to clone also ,think I,m gonna give it a try this morning I,ve read up alot on it and since I had good luck with your foliar tips , I,m gonna give it a go wish me luck !
 

jawbrodt

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^Best of luck, bro. Cloning isn't all that difficult, actually. Nerve-wracking, for the first couple times? Yes. Difficult? No. Just remember the most important things are, having good stem contact with the medium, temp, and humidity. Those are what determine your rooting times, more than anything. Additives don't do crap, not really. Next time I clone, I'm going to do a handful without any gel/powder, at all, and prove that plain water works great, by itself. :) If you follow my method, you'll be successful, I'm sure of it. I just hope you don't prove me wrong.lol :wink:

Glad you liked it. :grin:
 

kingofqueen

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Yeah got em all clipped and in their new home ,2 Purple Flo ,2 Pineapple Express . They aren't drooping badly it's been about 6 hrs now so I'm optimistic !
 

jawbrodt

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^Awesome man, keep us posted on their progress. :weed:



Also, give 'em another misting. After 6 hours, it's about the right time.:leaf:
 

jawbrodt

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I started some more training yesterday,(day 10 of 12/12) and I like the way the plants are reacting to it. It's sotra like a SCROG/LST/supercrop, cross, but I'm going to call it LST. That fit's best, I think. I'm hoping this stretching period leaves me with a bunch of 6-10" mini-colas, in addition to the mains, once I release them. Not much more to say, othert than they got a foliar feeding before the training, of full strength Dynagro Grow, and Calmag Plus. Today, I gave them a spraying of straight water. Anyway, here's their current state..... :weed:
 

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jawbrodt

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Okay, we're now at day 11 of 12/12, and they look pretty good. The training seems to be producing tons of budsites, and a nice even canopy. Sorta like SCROG, without the screen. My only concern, is that I might've stunted them a little. IDK if it'll hurt bud development, or not. I hope not, but it's early yet, so I have my fingers crossed.:leaf:

I plan to release all my tie-downs soon, and let the main colas rise a little above the canopy. I'm shooting for 6" or so, so we'll see. I'm hoping they grow a little more, first. Be patient, I know.lol :weed:

Also, I gave them another two doses of foliar feeding, right before the lights came on. It was 1/2 strength Dynagro Grow, and 1/2 strength Calmag Plus. I soaked them thoroughly, from top to bottom, let then sit for 1/2 hour, then did it again. They got a full liter, altogether. Another 2-3 weeks, and the foliar will have to stop. Don't want 'em tasting like chemicals, for sure.lol

Anyway, here's some pics, just taken a few minutes ago....
 

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kingofqueen

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Nice can't wait to see them colas form up . I'm 11 days behind u btw just flipped tonight .What are u using for support ? bamboo ?
 

jawbrodt

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^Sweet, won't be long now. It's tough waitin, huh? :weed:


Yeah, those are bamboo stakes. I wrapped wire around them, and used then to hold down the tallest tops, so that the lower stuff would catch up. aI used them sorta like SGROG works, running the taller branches sideways, so that more budsites are exposed to direct light. Seems to be working pretty well. Keeping them nice and short, too, which I like. I'm going to release all the main colas soon, so that I don't lose those. Three haven't been topped or anything, which'll be interesting. My goal, is to have nicely developed side-branches, yet still retain the main cola. If it doesn't go as planned, there's plenty of budsites to keep me happy.LOL
 

jawbrodt

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^Yeppir, definitely did. I wouldn't have believed it was so effective, if I hadn't tested it, myself. Highly recommended. :cool:


BTW, I read about your 'momma dog' biting the head off her weakest pup. Brutal!:shock: Wow man, what a bitch.lol :lol:
 

reggaerican

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yea that girl was a monster my friend had her put down.. after she had her second litter she just flipped out and wanted to kill everything!! good thing my dog has his dads temperament as a gentle giant.. just look @ his pic, his a kitty cat
 

jawbrodt

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Update, day 13 of 12/12:


Just fed them(rootfeeding) with full strength Dynagro Bloom, full strength Protekt,(silica) and some Hygrozyme(helpful soil bacteria), and it took 2 liters each, to get a little runoff. They still look pretty good. One thing I've noticed, is that the Rocklock uses more water than the other two strains. Not a huge difference, 1/2 day or so, before running dry. I let it get to the point of drooping, last watering, and now I'm starting to get a minor die-off, that comes with it. I think I'm going to snap a couple pics, so that guys know what it looks like, when this happens. I've seen many times where this die-off is mistaken for deficiencies, so think the pics might be helpful, to someone. If I'd let it get more droopy than it was, the die-off would be worse. I caught mine, just in time. :cool:

EDIT: Here's what it looks like, 4 days after this plant was allowed to dry a little too much, right to the point of drooping....
 

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