i think im driving myself insane

Beefbisquit

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Perhaps we have encountered different Atheists
i would not assume all atheists practice their belief exactly the same as each other, different degrees (sects) of atheism lol
Atheists deny the possibility of supernatural beings
Atheism says nothing about the supernatural. Atheism literally means without theism, or non-theist. It says nothing about beliefs, only the lack of belief. Any belief that an atheist has, is not a product of their atheism, but of some other factor in their life.

Atheists can be just as susceptible to mystical thinking in other areas of their lives, and being an atheist doesn't necessarily mean you're inherently intelligent.

this is a belief system in itself, anything that can't be proven either way, but considered by an individual to be true is a belief system

i can't prove there are no supernatural beings, so i am not an atheist
That's not what atheism means. Someone either believes, or they do not believe; there is no middle ground. Just like there's no 'kind-of' pregnant.
Atheists have either not been convinced by the available evidence for the existence of god, or they simply never had a concept of god conveyed to them to begin with.

I don't identify myself as "A-Santa Clausiest", or "A-Loch Nessiest", it's just assumed I don't believe in these things until evidence actually supports those beliefs.

atheists are often more dogmatic than the most hideous Christian fundamentalists
There is absolutely zero doctrine for being atheist. Again, any beliefs that an atheist might have are not a direct product of atheism, as atheism is simply a lack of belief.
i would waste about as much time on both of them

peace :)
See ya?


A common misunderstanding of many people is a lack of belief in god, and the belief that god does not exist. They are distinct from one another.

To say, "I have no evidence to formulate a belief in god", is not a belief in and of itself.

Just like if a murder happened, and you blamed "Bob" but had no evidence, it doesn't mean "Bob" didn't do it; it just means you can't prove it.
 

Nice Ol Bud

Well-Known Member
Just start learning and keep learning..
Life's only meaning is how you decipher it personally and what you make of it.
It can be as simple as the bible.. or you can break it down into complexity and try to find... well... whatever it is.
I'm not too big on discussing the fundamentals of life..
I just believe life has sacrificed a lot of living beings throughout millions of years for us to become able to make wise and loving and radical decisions.
That's why it makes me so sad to see all this fucking hatred and shit in the world.. we have the power to do so much in this life.
Yet we focus on the fundamentals so badly and try to get ahead.. and fight and argue about our beliefs.. when we should just enjoy what were experiencing.

People seem to forget one thing...

"Everything's just for a while.."
So enjoy it.. spread the love.. and teach ignorance.

Every single person on this site can achieve greatness.. and already have..
:peace:
 

GreyLord

Active Member
yeah seems like a massive misundestanding about what the word athiest means .
I think the misunderstanding is some confuse agnostic & atheist as the same thing.
Simply put - an atheist believes there is no god.
-an agnostic is unsure either way, maybe there is, maybe there isn't.
 
The way i see it, if we don't know why we are here, and there is not even an inkling of an indication as to what the point is, then that gives us the freedom to do whatever we want :)
if only that was true. we have the choice to be free but it comes and the cost of living in a small empty room.
 

Beefbisquit

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I think the misunderstanding is some confuse agnostic & atheist as the same thing.
Simply put - an atheist believes there is no god.
-an agnostic is unsure either way, maybe there is, maybe there isn't.
That's not completely true.

Atheism and theism are both regarding belief, that is; not having one or having one.

Agnsoticism is about knowledge. There are agnsotic atheists and agnsotic theists, and gnostic theists and gnostic atheists.



1)If you're an agnostic atheist you don't have a belief in god, but don't claim to know doesn't exist for certain.
2)If you're a gnostic atheist you don't have a belief in god, and you claim to know he doesn't exist for certain.

3)If you're an agnostic theist you have a belief in god, but don't claim to know he exists for certain.
4)If you're a gnostic theist you have a belief in god, and claim to know he exists for certain.


Most atheists are 1, most theists are 4.

The claim that some people "don't know what they believe" isn't accurate either. There is either a belief or there isn't, there's no in between.
 

Zaehet Strife

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well yes that much we know , but why ? and where is earth ? you can say where we know it to be but we dont really know WHERE we are , all we know is we are on a cooled down piece of rock spinning around a source of heat and energy , we dont know why or where we really are .we only have a small amount of knowledge no where near enough to undestand these things .
Kind of a long read Sativa, but it may help with what you are looking for. It sure has helped me out when existence just seems too much, when the pointlessness of it all breaks my mental barrier, and ending it seems all too easy. Hope you give it a read, and hope it helps.






In philosophy "the Absurd" refers to the conflict between the human tendency to seek inherent value and meaning in life and the human inability to find any. In this context absurd does not mean "logically impossible", but rather "humanly impossible".The universe and the human mind do not each separately cause the Absurd, but rather, the Absurd arises by the contradictory nature of the two existing simultaneously. Absurdism, therefore, is a philosophical school of thought stating that the efforts of humanity to find inherent meaning will ultimately fail (and hence are absurd) because the sheer amount of information as well as the vast realm of the unknown make certainty impossible. And yet, some absurdists state that one should embrace the absurd condition of humankind while conversely continuing to explore and search for meaning. As a philosophy, absurdism thus also explores the fundamental nature of the Absurd and how individuals, once becoming conscious of the Absurd, should respond to it.

In absurdist philosophy, the Absurd arises out of the fundamental disharmony between the individual's search for meaning and the meaninglessness of the universe. As beings looking for meaning in a meaningless world, humans have three ways of resolving the dilemma. Kierkegaard and Camus describe the solutions in their works, The Sickness Unto Death (1849) and The Myth of Sisyphus (1942)

Camus considers absurdity as a confrontation, an opposition, a conflict or a "divorce" between two ideals. Specifically, he defines the human condition as absurd, as the confrontation between man's desire for significance, meaning and clarity on the one hand – and the silent, cold universe on the other. He continues that there are specific human experiences evoking notions of absurdity. Such a realization or encounter with the absurd leaves the individual with a choice: suicide, a leap of faith, or recognition. He concludes that recognition is the only defensible option.
For Camus, suicide is a "confession" that life is not worth living; it is a choice that implicitly declares that life is "too much." Suicide offers the most basic "way out" of absurdity: the immediate termination of the self and its place in the universe.


The absurd encounter can also arouse a "leap of faith," a term derived from one of Kierkegaard's early pseudonyms, where one believes that there is more than the rational life (aesthetic or ethical). To take a "leap of faith," one must act with the "virtue of the absurd", where a suspension of the ethical may need to exist. This faith has no expectations, but is a flexible power initiated by a recognition of the absurd. (Although at some point, one recognizes or encounters the existence of the Absurd and, in response, actively ignores it.) However, Camus states that because the leap of faith escapes rationality and defers to abstraction over personal experience, the leap of faith is not absurd. Camus considers the leap of faith as "philosophical suicide," rejecting both this and physical suicide.


Lastly, a person can choose to embrace their own absurd condition. According to Camus, one's freedom – and the opportunity to give life meaning – lies in the recognition of absurdity. If the absurd experience is truly the realization that the universe is fundamentally devoid of absolutes, then we as individuals are truly free. "To live without appeal," as he puts it, is a philosophical move to define absolutes and universals subjectively, rather than objectively. The freedom of humans is thus established in a human's natural ability and opportunity to create his own meaning and purpose; to decide (or think) for him- or herself. The individual becomes the most precious unit of existence, representing a set of unique ideals that can be characterized as an entire universe in its own right. In acknowledging the absurdity of seeking any inherent meaning, but continuing this search regardless, one can be happy, gradually developing meaning from the search alone.


Camus states in The Myth of Sisyphus: "Thus I draw from the absurd three consequences, which are my revolt, my freedom, and my passion. By the mere activity of consciousness I transform into a rule of life what was an invitation to death, and I refuse suicide.

"Revolt" here refers to the refusal of suicide and search for meaning despite the revelation of the Absurd;

"Freedom" refers to the lack of imprisonment by religious devotion or others' moral codes;

"Passion" refers to the most wholehearted experiencing of life, since hope has been rejected, and so he concludes that every moment must be lived fully.
 

GreyLord

Active Member
That's not completely true.

Atheism and theism are both regarding belief, that is; not having one or having one.

Agnsoticism is about knowledge. There are agnsotic atheists and agnsotic theists, and gnostic theists and gnostic atheists.



1)If you're an agnostic atheist you don't have a belief in god, but don't claim to know doesn't exist for certain.
2)If you're a gnostic atheist you don't have a belief in god, and you claim to know he doesn't exist for certain.

3)If you're an agnostic theist you have a belief in god, but don't claim to know he exists for certain.
4)If you're a gnostic theist you have a belief in god, and claim to know he exists for certain.


Most atheists are 1, most theists are 4.

The claim that some people "don't know what they believe" isn't accurate either. There is either a belief or there isn't, there's no in between.
I use the term in it's generally accepted sense - Agnostic noun 1. a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence of or nature of God.
Google search.
 

Hepheastus420

Well-Known Member
i think im driving myself insane with questions about why we are here , its becoming a serious burden on my life .:-|
i just cannot stop questioning in my mind what the fuck we are doing here? ,where the fuck are we?,why does this life as we know it even exist? why does it exist ?where is space ? and why is it there ? why am i here ? what the fuck am i doing here what am i ? all that i know is at about 5 years old i started to realise i existed , but thats all we really know ,we dont choose to be born we just come into existance , we dont know anything , we dont know why life exists or where we are or even what we are , we say we are humans etc but we dont know why humans exist , why does anything have to exist why cant there just be nothing ?was there allways nothing before life here existed ? how can there just be nothing ? oh man the questions are driving me insane and i just cant shake them off .most people put these questions to the back of there mind and forget about them or answer them using ancient religions but for me i just cant find answers that sit easy with me .
I've been afraid I was going insane for a while now. Things are getting better though. Why do you feel insane because you're asking these questions? Take each question at time. Alot of times you have to admit that you just do NOT know. Nobody knows why we're here. Ever thought of the possibility that there doesn't have to be a reason and the only reasoning done in YOUR life is done by YOU and nobody else? This is your reality, make whatever reasons you want for life to exist. The truth as I know it is that everybody is searching for a reason but there isn't a universal reason for the will to live life. We all search for the meaning and we all share our views. Life is like a giant picture and we're all describing it the way we see it. But nobody is ever right.

You probably didn't like sunni's response because she was straight forward. But that's all the truth and explanations we have. It's not satisfactory since it doesn't answer our questions on WHY we experience the things we do. And why we choose to continue the experience day to day. All we know is that we're here now. It's as simple as that. And now it's up to us to change what we can.

I hope I didn't confuse you (because I'm not that great at explaining my thoughts).. and I also hope I'm on the same subject as you or else I'll sound like a nut.
 

Beefbisquit

Well-Known Member
I use the term in it's generally accepted sense - Agnostic noun 1. a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence of or nature of God.
Google search.
That is exactly correct.

The key word is known.

That says nothing about what they believe, that's where theism and atheism come into play.
 

DMTER

Well-Known Member
i think im driving myself insane with questions about why we are here , its becoming a serious burden on my life .:-|
i just cannot stop questioning in my mind what the fuck we are doing here? ,where the fuck are we?,why does this life as we know it even exist? why does it exist ?where is space ? and why is it there ? why am i here ? what the fuck am i doing here what am i ? all that i know is at about 5 years old i started to realise i existed , but thats all we really know ,we dont choose to be born we just come into existance , we dont know anything , we dont know why life exists or where we are or even what we are , we say we are humans etc but we dont know why humans exist , why does anything have to exist why cant there just be nothing ?was there allways nothing before life here existed ? how can there just be nothing ? oh man the questions are driving me insane and i just cant shake them off .most people put these questions to the back of there mind and forget about them or answer them using ancient religions but for me i just cant find answers that sit easy with me .
The question should not be "why are we here", thats just not a proper question...it's like asking why is the mountain there, it just is.

We need to dig deeper and see what is really going on...I see consciousness "the self" working when you let that go a little bit you start to see different questions like "what should I being doing here" or "why should I being doing that here" much more useful questions...

Although the process to arriving at the question "why are we here" is natural and has been in many cases to the benefit of mankind, it can also lead to our demise. It gets that anthropocentric "ego" working and that is all fine and dandy in a lot of day to day action...but overall in life I think it drags you down and doesn't benefit you, your community or the world as much as the process of arriving at "what should I be doing here".

The biggest point is not the questions themselves but processes you control that lead to your questions...at least through my eyes

lovin you :eyesmoke:
 

Zaehet Strife

Well-Known Member
Just because nothing matters, doesn't mean you don't matter to a lot of people. Doesn't mean you don't matter to yourself. In less than 100 years you will be gone, in less than 4 billions years our sun will die, along with all of humanity, if we do not venture into the outer reaches of space. And even then, our extermination is inevitable. What we do, doesn't really matter at all in the big scheme of things, but it does matter to ourselves and those around us who care about us.

Why live? What the fuck else is there to do?

Better to be alive then dead, imo. Though that may change in time, if i live longer than everyone i care about... i may not want to live anymore.

Find something to believe in if you are gullible enough to take in some bullshit idea and make it your own reality.... if you can, if i could i would. I just can't accept something i am not sure of is all.






We are all responsible for making our own peace within ourselves, whether or not we face it, or make a belief up to replace it, it is your decision my friend.

It's your life.
 

Grovhakket

New Member
I think what you are experiencing is very normal. I have had the same "condition" i was almost depressed and did not care about anything at all.

Because i realised like you did, that there are no purpose at all. None. We are here because certain atom combinations were allowed the right conditions. They then became sentient as a mechanism for survival. We are only smart because of the way our ancestors hunted and the way intelligence helped us to do that. Survive.

But as some remarked, you find a solution to it. You do at some time, but it reguires you to think deeply. I had a week off school were i could just toke up and walk and think to help me. The people postings opinions might be unsatisfactory for you, and so will mine be to you. But you will find one when you start to chill and think, but enjoy the thinking, dont force it and remember to try and answer questions as well as ask them.
Also remember to do some stuff to distract you in your every day. I took up weightlifting to fill this void you feel, its really all about just doing stuff.

And if i can give my opinion anyway ;) I feel that if we have no purpose at all, and nothing matters, then only what feels good matters. So do whatever to have a good life, dont let yourself be stopped by anything, because as you now have realised, nothing fucking matters at all and its enjoyable as hell to be so free.

The marijuana helped me greatly. Love to the fellow tokers.
- Grovhakket
 

bluerock

Active Member
There are two meanings to life, and they are very simple:
1. Survival
2. Reproduction

Anything else is just fiction dreamed up by lazy bastards that want your money without having to actually earn it.
 

high|hgih

Well-Known Member
the meaning of life is to give life meaning
lol

I think it's neat when people think too hard like that. I tend to become really ate up with it when I have been doing too many trippy drugs.
It's never been bad, don't think less about it, just accept it and be glad you're not ignorant.

I can't even wake up in the morning without thinking 'Why alarm clocks?'
'Why can't I just have that dream forever?'
haha

Curiosity is never a bad thing.
The median seems to be to think like this, meanwhile carry a productive life of good deeds.
I'm personally not very good at the productive part :p

You'll figure this out man! I don't see why you'd think you are going crazy though haha
That seems to be a pretty normal thing. Even if the thoughts are intrusive.
 

Dede7

Member
i think im driving myself insane with questions about why we are here , its becoming a serious burden on my life .:-|
i just cannot stop questioning in my mind what the fuck we are doing here? ,where the fuck are we?,why does this life as we know it even exist? why does it exist ?where is space ? and why is it there ? why am i here ? what the fuck am i doing here what am i ? all that i know is at about 5 years old i started to realise i existed , but thats all we really know ,we dont choose to be born we just come into existance , we dont know anything , we dont know why life exists or where we are or even what we are , we say we are humans etc but we dont know why humans exist , why does anything have to exist why cant there just be nothing ?was there allways nothing before life here existed ? how can there just be nothing ? oh man the questions are driving me insane and i just cant shake them off .most people put these questions to the back of there mind and forget about them or answer them using ancient religions but for me i just cant find answers that sit easy with me .
Get excited, thinking like this doesn't mean you are crazy. It means you are intelligent. Think about all those dead brains out there that don't even question these things. Live life and one day you'll be able to answer them ;) Take comfort in the fact that you are one smart motherfucker!
 

Skuxx

Well-Known Member
I used to suffer with the same kind of thoughts as you OP... I think it's a natural part of "growing up" mentally. I suggest doing more drugs.....
 

high|hgih

Well-Known Member
lol skuxx that always made it more intense over here!
But it also made it more fun..

Hmmm....

Yeah, I suggest nootropics + LSD. Trust me, I'm a doctor.
 
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