I think I waited too long

napa15rt

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Hi. I think I waited too long. Is this just turning brown a bit or is it bud rot. It doesn’t feel squishy or anything just turning brown. Most buds look ok I believe. It’s a girl scout cookies grown from seed. In a tent with fans going. Humidity has been good throughout. About 9 weeks of flowering. Looked great like 3 days ago then I just noticed the brown ones.
 

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manfredo

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I think it's about perfect timing. It doesn't look over done to me. Maybe a few crispy leaves but that happens.

I gotta go look at those pics for a 3rd time!!
 

manfredo

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Pic 2 looks beautiful and frosty AF

Pic 3 it still has a few white hairs but the red ones are starting to recede.

Pic 4 looks funky....That one might have some rot. just look at it, cut it open, and if it is throw that bud out.

Honestly it looks decent to me! But yeah I would check and and chop it asap
 

TheWholeTruth

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I just did that’s what I thought. Live and learn I guess.

Does any of it look ok. It actually has a little off smell to it too.
Most of it looks fine it looks about right not overdone. But those bits that are going gold and brown those are bits were the stem and bud have cought mould at some point and damaged the bud. Your conditions must have gotten back under control essentially killing the moisture and spreading of more mould and damage. But then due to the damage already done to those parts those bits have died and have dried or started drying. The mould is still in those damaged bits although dried byt smoking or using it in anyway is not good. Cut all those gold dried out bits off very carefully and the rest should be ok. But if you have those damaged bits touching and drying with the rest and once all the bud is dried rolling around in the same bag or jar, due to the moisture in the rest of the buds they will pick up the virus. If the plant is still alive and still unharvested cut all those bits out asap. Then cut your remaining healthy bud down and dry it in a good airy dry environment (makinh sure it don't touch other heathy drying plants incase all of it has a issue which you'll be able to tell once its all ready )and you should be able to save all the parts that look healthy. Hope that helps
 
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napa15rt

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Thanks guys. I just wish I knew what went wrong so fast. It looked great and then then in about three days I saw the brown buds. But definitely will harvest a little earlier next time. Probably need to up the airflow too.
 

calvin.m16

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That is Botrytis (Bud Rot), make sure airflow is good and keep humidity below 60% ideally during flower. 9 weeks of flower would not cause that issue, something in your environment is off. That flower is all trash unfortunately unless you wanna play russian roulette and smoke some and risk a lung infection or worse.
 

napa15rt

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That is Botrytis (Bud Rot), make sure airflow is good and keep humidity below 60% ideally during flower. 9 weeks of flower would not cause that issue, something in your environment is off. That flower is all trash unfortunately unless you wanna play russian roulette and smoke some and risk a lung infection or worse.
Hi. Thanks yea that’s what I thought too and will probably just toss it all. Some buds do look really good though but I don’t want to kill
Myself. What a shame. Any idea how it went bad so fast. Looked great all the way to the end. Nothing changed. I did have a huge yellow mushroom appear though in the soil just before I noticed the rot. This is my third grow and the previous two came out ok. I think next time I will turn fans up higher. Had them at lowest setting. Thanks for the advice.
 

calvin.m16

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Hi. Thanks yea that’s what I thought too and will probably just toss it all. Some buds do look really good though but I don’t want to kill
Myself. What a shame. Any idea how it went bad so fast. Looked great all the way to the end. Nothing changed. I did have a huge yellow mushroom appear though in the soil just before I noticed the rot. This is my third grow and the previous two came out ok. I think next time I will turn fans up higher. Had them at lowest setting. Thanks for the advice.
Botrytis aka bud rot is a bitch, I have dealt with it outdoor growing, you get to the very end of harvest and when the buds get nice and plump the mold takes hold. There are a couple reasons, obviously the denser bud material is perfect breeding ground if the environment allows (poor airflow/circulation and high humidity), also the plant naturally slows down and loses defenses near the end of its life cycle just like most living organisms.

Do you have a inline/exhaust fan or how is your setup exactly?

You did a great job tbh I think some fine tuning to your environment and a little more passive airflow would help decrease the chances of this happening again. Do you run a dehumidifier? What was your temp/humidity?
 

calvin.m16

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This is a good example of a proper setup, you want fans that are circulating air and you want an exhaust fan that can pull fresh air in and push old air out, the exhaust/intake does not need to vent or breathe from outdoors it can just cycle in the room the tent is in.
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here are some general environment guidelines, average common ranges I use with 100% success.
Air Temperature and Humidity
  • Clone stage: 70-77 °F, 60-70% humidity
  • Vegetative stage: 75-82 °F, 55-60% humidity
  • Flowering stage: 68-80 °F, 45-55% humidity
I would also look into VPD charts like this one, you want to be in the 1.0-1.4 range ideally, anything higher than 1.4 and or lower than 1.0 is not optimal in most cases.
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Jjgrow420

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That is Botrytis (Bud Rot), make sure airflow is good and keep humidity below 60% ideally during flower. 9 weeks of flower would not cause that issue, something in your environment is off. That flower is all trash unfortunately unless you wanna play russian roulette and smoke some and risk a lung infection or worse.
2nd this ^^
 

napa15rt

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I have a 2x4 tent with a mini humidifier in tent. 3 fans. One at the top hole of the tent to exhaust the air out and the other two pointed at the plant. Humidity was always below 60%. It’s tough because with the tent closed it gets too hot. And with it open a bit to vent some heat it’s harder to control humidity. But I think the key is to get the fans blowing harder. I always left them at the lowest setting. Couldn’t really see the plant move that much with them on. I thought too much airflow might be bad. But I was wrong. I noticed this mushroom appeared out of nowhere at the end too.
 

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calvin.m16

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I have a 2x4 tent with a mini humidifier in tent. 3 fans. One at the top hole of the tent to exhaust the air out and the other two pointed at the plant. Humidity was always below 60%. It’s tough because with the tent closed it gets too hot. And with it open a bit to vent some heat it’s harder to control humidity. But I think the key is to get the fans blowing harder. I always left them at the lowest setting. Couldn’t really see the plant move that much with them on. I thought too much airflow might be bad. But I was wrong. I noticed this mushroom appeared out of nowhere at the end too.
I would ditch the humidifier, that is probably what caused the mold. Hot humid climates are perfect for fungus. You want a lot of passive airflow, a good test is try lighting a lighter and moving it around the tent, if it stays lit especially near the plant then there is not enough airflow. At minimum the flame should be dancing around every few seconds or so. You don't want to directly blast plants with wind cause then your leaves will get wind burn, but wind burn is honestly better than mold.

Judging by the mushroom growing from your medium there is probably a lot of mold spores in either the room or soil.

When you say it was getting hot, how hot? Do you have a hydrometer to tell you temperature & humidity?

To avoid mushrooms and mold you can use something like Dr. Bronners Castile soap @ 1ml/gal in your feed water, it will suppress mold spores and also kill larvae if any are present via suffocation. And you should only have to treat the soil a couple times before any viable spores are dead.
 

napa15rt

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I would ditch the humidifier, that is probably what caused the mold. Hot humid climates are perfect for fungus. You want a lot of passive airflow, a good test is try lighting a lighter and moving it around the tent, if it stays lit especially near the plant then there is not enough airflow. At minimum the flame should be dancing around every few seconds or so. You don't want to directly blast plants with wind cause then your leaves will get wind burn, but wind burn is honestly better than mold.

Judging by the mushroom growing from your medium there is probably a lot of mold spores in either the room or soil.

When you say it was getting hot, how hot? Do you have a hydrometer to tell you temperature & humidity?

To avoid mushrooms and mold you can use something like Dr. Bronners Castile soap @ 1ml/gal in your feed water, it will suppress mold spores and also kill larvae if any are present via suffocation. And you should only have to treat the soil a couple times before any viable spores are dead.
Thanks for the tips. I meant to say I have a Dehumidifier in tent. I do have a temp and humidity sensor in tent. It would get about 83 degrees sometimes in tent. Thanks for the lighter tip I will try that to check for airflow. Should I go without the de-humidifier ? Why no spores untill the very end though ?
 

calvin.m16

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Thanks for the tips. I meant to say I have a Dehumidifier in tent. I do have a temp and humidity sensor in tent. It would get about 83 degrees sometimes in tent. Thanks for the lighter tip I will try that to check for airflow. Should I go without the de-humidifier ? Why no spores untill the very end though ?
Idk you mighta brought them in from your lawn or something. Fungal spores are very resilient. I would use the DEhumidifier but don't have it directly in your tent, put it in the room the tent is in and set it to 50%.

That fuzzy shit could be from late stage spider mites too, if you have a microscope you can see if you have little fuckers on your buds. I am pretty sure its botrytis though, that can happen from mold being present in the airspace either in the room the tent is in or the soil sometimes can carry it. I would just clean everything with bleach water, walls floors carpet tent walls vents anything possible. Start fresh and you should be good.

If your temps were hot that attracts spider mites if they're in your area, the mites are microscopic so any unsealed cracks they will enter. Shed Grows are notorious for getting mites or home grows that are in a hot climate.
 

napa15rt

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Idk you mighta brought them in from your lawn or something. Fungal spores are very resilient. I would use the DEhumidifier but don't have it directly in your tent, put it in the room the tent is in and set it to 50%.

That fuzzy shit could be from late stage spider mites too, if you have a microscope you can see if you have little fuckers on your buds. I am pretty sure its botrytis though, that can happen from mold being present in the airspace either in the room the tent is in or the soil sometimes can carry it. I would just clean everything with bleach water, walls floors carpet tent walls vents anything possible. Start fresh and you should be good.

If your temps were hot that attracts spider mites if they're in your area, the mites are microscopic so any unsealed cracks they will enter. Shed Grows are notorious for getting mites or home grows that are in a hot climate.
Thanks man. Appreciate the advice. Will be making some changes for this next grow.
 
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