I Have A ? For You Religious People.

It was the vatican which put together the Bible which you now use against them Fish...... see the hypocrisy there? They aren't the authority on the Bible? It's THEIR Bible...... The only part of the Bible which is Christian is the NEW testament. The OLD testament is the JEWISH faith....period.
If it's good enough for the RCC who amassed edited and decided what WAS TO BE the Bible.....it MUST be good enough for all Christians, else you are the one out of step.

fish601 said:

i dont know anything about hot wheels

have you given it any thought or just take what the majority of scientist tell you?

did you know for years scientist told people you kill brain cells when smoking weed?
they knew it wasnt true!!! but did that stop them from telling people that? NO, its one of the reasons marijuana is illegal
can we agree that a few scientist lie and those lies have fooled people for years?
is it possible say in 200 years that evolution can be proven not true? would you accept it?

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fish i have a simple question just woundering if you could answer for me. ok stay with me lol if god is jesus's father simply speakin who is the creater of god the lord almighty not making fun just always wounderd about that?

CrackerJax said:

It was the vatican which put together the Bible which you now use against them Fish...... see the hypocrisy there? They aren't the authority on the Bible? It's THEIR Bible...... The only part of the Bible which is Christian is the NEW testament. The OLD testament is the JEWISH faith....period.
If it's good enough for the RCC who amassed edited and decided what WAS TO BE the Bible.....it MUST be good enough for all Christians, else you are the one out of step.

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First of all, the Roman Catholic Church was not really in effect as an organization in the first couple hundred years of the Christian Church.

Second, the Christian Church recognized what was Scripture. It did not establish it.

Third, the Roman Catholic Church did not give us the Old Testament which is the Scripture to which Christ and the apostles appealed. If the Roman Catholic Church wants to state that it gave us the Bible, how can they claim to have given us the Old Testament which is part of the Bible?

Did the Roman Catholic Church give us the Bible? No, it did not.


The Old Testament lays the foundation for the teachings and events found in the New Testament.

kms420 said:

fish i have a simple question just woundering if you could answer for me. ok stay with me lol if god is jesus's father simply speakin who is the creater of god the lord almighty not making fun just always wounderd about that?

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God was not created

this page doesnt do the best job of explaining it but its a good start
http://www.gotquestions.org/who-created-God.html

fish601 said:

First of all, the Roman Catholic Church was not really in effect as an organization in the first couple hundred years of the Christian Church.

Second, the Christian Church recognized what was Scripture. It did not establish it.

Third, the Roman Catholic Church did not give us the Old Testament which is the Scripture to which Christ and the apostles appealed. If the Roman Catholic Church wants to state that it gave us the Bible, how can they claim to have given us the Old Testament which is part of the Bible?

Did the Roman Catholic Church give us the Bible? No, it did not.


The Old Testament lays the foundation for the teachings and events found in the New Testament.

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You need to do a bit more research into the origins of the book you worship so blindly......

shroomer33 said:

I want all things false to die. Give me the truth, no matter what!

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That's cool man. You're open enough to be willing to accept what is the truth rather than just shove aside one position versus another. You are waiting for the answer. Fair enough.

I'm a struggling Catholic. I thank my mother everyday for sending me to Catholic School. It's really my only education. I went to a public high school. It was like 7th and 8th grade all over again. Probably the very reason I never attended

Being Catholic is Christianity.

I believe one of the twelve apostles established it. Forgive my vagueness. It's been a while.

Catholosism is the only form of Christianity where you actually see Jesus on the cross while at service. Crown of thorns, nails, blood...the while sha'bang. Not dissing protestants but they show just a cross at their churches. A symbol...my Baptist friends say Catholics idolize symbols too much yet they pray to a cross than many men died on. You see my point. Don't hate cause we use a rosary yet you pray to two pieces of wood that many of men died on.

Yes we pray to Mary. Is it not ok to ask Jesus' mother for help? She birthed Jesus. Cut us some slack on this one.

Thee Bible...the Tora, is what Jews primarily read. It's pre Jesus that's why it's not the "official" study material of Christians. Christians generally read the New Testament. But believe me. There are plenty Old Testaments floating around my Catholic Church where I went to school.

I don't believe in the parting of the Seas and all those stories. They are like stories of the Indians. The tribe leader killed a single buffalo by after many generations it became a dozen buffalo by hand. Exaggerations in an effort to prove a point. The moral of the story.

Healings??? It's possible.

Regarding evolution. I go back to the old debate of "who provided the space for the big bang?" You can't create something from nothing. This is a fact. All this started somewhere and someone had to have provided the space for it.

So...either God exists or we really do live in an ant farm.

fish601 said:

i dont know anything about hot wheels

have you given it any thought or just take what the majority of scientist tell you?

did you know for years scientist told people you kill brain cells when smoking weed?
they knew it wasnt true!!! but did that stop them from telling people that? NO, its one of the reasons marijuana is illegal
can we agree that a few scientist lie and those lies have fooled people for years?
is it possible say in 200 years that evolution can be proven not true? would you accept it?

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I take the evidence they present into consideration and decide if its plausible. Don't you realize that people have been fooled for thousands of years now by a group of guys who wrote a book?

And the reason scientists told people it killed brain cells was because of the tests they did. You need to start educating yourself before you open your mouth, but since you can't I'll tell you why "Marijuana used to kill brain cells".

The way they tested this was to put a mask over a monkey's mouth and nose. For 5 minutes, they would pump weed through the mask and make the monkey inhale it. After 4 minutes without oxygen in monkey's and human's, brain damage occurs. So from their tests, "Marijuana caused brain damage". Fortunately, that his disproven and the theory has been discarded.

If you ask ANY doctor.....ANY doctor about what life was like back then medically for these ppl. That area was known for having vitamin deficiencies....it was a rough tough place and food was not varied nor abundant enough for a well balanced diet. The Romans considered that area to be the ARMPIT of the Empire! Vitamin deficiencies bring about hallucinations, and all sorts of odd behavior. Couple that to a total lack of foundational science (real explanations), and VOILA..... religion. This has happened EVERYWHERE at some point in time. Throw in some real honest to goodness mental illness.....there must have been tons of it and with no science to diagnose nor treat.... guess what? Religion pops up!!! And People believe it too. Times were desperate, life was tough. Religion offered a comfort. A drowning man will clutch at any straw, no matter how ineffective it truly is.

So the question is "how did something come from nothing?" Big Bang...where did the space for the big bang come from? Something cannot come from nothing.

I like your theory but I can't get myself past the "something from nothing."

DubsFan said:

So the question is "how did something come from nothing?" Big Bang...where did the space for the big bang come from? Something cannot come from nothing.

I like your theory but I can't get myself past the "something from nothing."

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Space is emptiness. Therefore, it didn't need to be created. The "Big Bang" started with a singularity (extremely dense matter with extreme temperatures). I'm not a believer, nor am I a disbeliever of this theory. I'm just regurgitating information.

Anonymiss1969 said:

Space is emptiness. Therefore, it didn't need to be created. The "Big Bang" started with a singularity (extremely dense matter with extreme temperatures). I'm not a believer, nor am I a disbeliever of this theory. I'm just regurgitating information.

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I understand your position.

I am a reluctant believer if that makes sense.

So my question would then be who provided this emptiness and the dense matter and the extreme heat?

2+2 still equals four even on the sun. But how does something come from nothing. I just don't get it.

We must live in an ant farm or there is a higher power.

How about..... at this juncture the question cannot be answered with a degree of certainty.....stay tuned....

That's what science is all about. Peeling the onion... we have a ways to go. It's okay not to know......for now.

Yeah the big bang is something that is very difficult to get our mind around. But basically the easiest way that I have been able to figure it (for myself) is that time is a man made invention.

There is no real 'time' everything just is. The why is something that I have not a clue about. Call it god if you want. But even if it is 'god' how is it that he? was always here? And if he? can always be here, then why can't a huge insanely dense amount of material that the big bang came from always be there?

I understand what you believe and you really have good reason to believe it its pretty convensing..
jehovah witness are dead wrong about what they believe but when you listen to them they are very convensing and have good answers for questions that you ask them.

I do believe that scientist truley believe in evolution and when they find that little out of place fossil they come up with a reason for it and hold onto the evolution theory.

people can convence themselves to believe just about anything

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You are right that that 'out of place' fossil needs to fit into evolution, so maybe we do 'find' a place for it. This is where things get debated is why they fit there, not that it doesn't fit, but why they fit where that is debated. This is where the religious like to say that scientists can't agree and it is wrong. Same like the church and if they believe that gay people are sinners or not.

But if it is something that doesn't fit, and fundementally alters the theory of evolution, then a new theory that fits everything needs to be developed. Infact it won't just be one thing, it will be several new ideas that work everything in.

And then out of all the debate one will rise above with all the data best fitted in. And that will hold until it doesn't.

Like CJ said. It can and may one day be disproved as an outdated theory. But what you refuse to see is that the senerio I had listed above has taken place several times already, and everytime the theories that don't hold up lose credibility and fall aside.

And religion was one of them that this happened to. For many thousand years religion was the dominate 'science'. It is hard to dispute eating this berry that kills you did so because you angered the bush god. Then they decided that the gods needed to be trimmed down and came up with a mono god, and that one held more credibility.

So on until about 500 years ago when it started to be realized that it was too full of holes to be used as the one source of learning.


But guess what! Remember how you like to point out living fossils to 'disprove' (although they do not even come close to disproving it) evolution, this works with religion and several other 'scientific' beliefs. Just because one theory doesn't hold water, does not mean that the people that chose to believe it to be the case drop it and don't continue to try to make it work. Religion falls into this category. Here is a link that can help explain this: http://www.chem1.com/acad/sci/pseudosci.html And think about what we are saying, and try to imagine religion in that.

There is no other theory in Biology which has been tested and retested more than Evolution. A flaw has never been found. It has stood the test of time, and has been found worthy.

sounds alot like you got too much time on your hands and not enough bud take 2 tabs of the highest quality acid you can find and become your own god

hanimmal said:

Yeah the big bang is something that is very difficult to get our mind around..

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big bang.. and you think bible stories are fairytales

Science is on the right track. The methodology is sound, the fine tuning continues.

Science is the answer, not myths. Flail at science all you want, it will just make you seem more incorrect as time goes on.

As long as Christians (Muslims too) insist that the stories in the bible (Qaran) are true and historical events, they will be a drag on mans progress towards true knowledge.

The fact is that religeon is man made, nothing more than philosiphy built upon by man. there is alot of symbolism that goes along with it that too many people take in its literal sense. its natural for people to question why we are here if there is any reason at all, and when they fail to understand that they tend to start rationalizing thru magical thoughts, people who come back from the dead and such, old men that gather 2 of every animal etc. etc. note that the ONLY animals mentioned in the bible are the ones exclusive to that geographic plane. the bottom line is its easier to follow along with what sounds good and to simply believe without question, than it is to think for your self. religeon is philosiphy with a political agenda, history has shown that every empire will fall so its easier to breed people to contain themselves with extremely limited mindsets.

fish601 said:

big bang.. and you think bible stories are fairytales

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Big Bang supported by mathematical data and experiments, but of course we are talking to some one who just says things are wrong when they do not fit his little world. For some people the world is not simply explained but must always be questioned. For others they take the easy way out since they cannot handle uncertainty. Something tells me you have no idea what the Big Band Theory is.

dontexist21 said:

. Something tells me you have no idea what the Big Band Theory is.

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