I hate this bitch

HarryCarey said:
Buck,

Whenever you return, I'd prefer to start actually debating. We've gone thru my laundry, now I'm ready to prove you're ideas wrong ;)
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no need. your retarded idea about getting government out of marriage entirely, rather than simply legislating marriage equality, has already failed.

not only that, it wasn;t even your idea. you took it straight from rawn pawl, the bigoted fucktard who you loved.

the whole idea was to set up an impossible goal, like rewriting the tax code entirely to get government out of marriage, rather than simply assure that gays have equal rights in that arena.

you supported that bigoted idea because you do not believe in liberty, you believe in bigotry. just like your hero, rawn pawl.

like i said, you lost. equality and liberty won. so sorry.
 
It's a shame you are so closed minded.

UncleBuck said:
no need. your retarded idea about getting government out of marriage entirely, rather than simply legislating marriage equality, has already failed.

not only that, it wasn;t even your idea. you took it straight from rawn pawl, the bigoted fucktard who you loved.

the whole idea was to set up an impossible goal, like rewriting the tax code entirely to get government out of marriage, rather than simply assure that gays have equal rights in that arena.

you supported that bigoted idea because you do not believe in liberty, you believe in bigotry. just like your hero, rawn pawl.

like i said, you lost. equality and liberty won. so sorry.
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HarryCarey said:
It's a shame you are so closed minded.
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i'm not close minded. if that were the faster, more effective route to equality, and thus liberty, i would have endorsed it.

but that's nto what that tactic was. it was a stall tactic designed to prevent gays from obtaining equal rights.

i'm sorry you're too stupid to see it, and that you require smart people like me to help you out on that.
 
I simply support a non authoritarian process. It was not a tactic, by Ron Paul, or any other actual libertarian. The tea party? Sure they're a bunch of idiots. Thank you for enlightening me. I do NOT oppose gay and trans equality whatsoever, so, try again.

Maybe this time instead of insults, you could bring something intelligent to the debate.

UncleBuck said:
i'm not close minded. if that were the faster, more effective route to equality, and thus liberty, i would have endorsed it.

but that's nto what that tactic was. it was a stall tactic designed to prevent gays from obtaining equal rights.

i'm sorry you're too stupid to see it, and that you require smart people like me to help you out on that.
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HarryCarey said:
I simply support a non authoritarian process. It was not a tactic, by Ron Paul, or any other actual libertarian.
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it was indeed a stall tactic.

HarryCarey said:
The tea party? Sure they're a bunch of idiots.
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no, this tactic was dreamed up by rawn pawl. it's even on his website.

HarryCarey said:
I do NOT oppose gay and trans equality whatsoever, so, try again.
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i have quotes from you that suggest otherwise. maybe you've changed since you made those quotes. but i have quotes from you opposing marriage equality.
 
You do have a quote of me asking why must it be marriage? Mind you this quote was from 2011, and wasn't an affirmative stance, merely a pondering.

You may have me on the Ron Paul thing, idk, but what I supported in his ideas was the liberty, and I think it's clear he intended to impede noone, while freeing as many as possible.

Thanks for being civil
 
HarryCarey said:
You do have a quote of me asking why must it be marriage? Mind you this quote was from 2011, and wasn't an affirmative stance, merely a pondering.

You may have me on the Ron Paul thing, idk, but what I supported in his ideas was the liberty, and I think it's clear he intended to impede noone, while freeing as many as possible.

Thanks for being civil
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rawn pawl is as anti-liberty as they come. he worked with white supremacists in his campaign.
 
doublejj said:
A democrat in the white house will probably mean the Dems will also reclaim the Senate. The young Bernie voters should see the need to keep trump out of the white house & will come around eventually. If trump splits the party, it's a huge win for the democrats
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I can't speak for everyone, but there are a lot of people in Michigan looking at Bernie as the last hope. If he doesn't get the nod on the dem side I think a lot of people will stay home and not vote. My family included. I have no interest in more of the same, dem or repub. Hillary is more of the same. She does the bidding for the 1%. Pass
 
st0wandgrow said:
I can't speak for everyone, but there are a lot of people in Michigan looking at Bernie as the last hope. If he doesn't get the nod on the dem side I think a lot of people will stay home and not vote. My family included. I have no interest in more of the same, dem or repub. Hillary is more of the same. She does the bidding for the 1%. Pass
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If you don't vote for a Democrat regardless of who it is. You are casting a vote for a Republican
 
st0wandgrow said:
I can't speak for everyone, but there are a lot of people in Michigan looking at Bernie as the last hope. If he doesn't get the nod on the dem side I think a lot of people will stay home and not vote. My family included. I have no interest in more of the same, dem or repub. Hillary is more of the same. She does the bidding for the 1%. Pass
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That's all trump needs.....you will have to look in the mirror & know you did nothing to stop him. If your not part of the solution, your part of the problem.
 
Fogdog said:
It won't work. Again, you are confused by thinking Democrats are the same as Republicans. We are nothing like Trump supporters. Most Democrats are looking for a relationship with their candidate. Think back on how Obama won. It wasn't by tearing Clinton down. The crowds resonated with his message. This cycle, people listened to Bernie but couldn't resonate with his "Wall Street Sucks" message and the mainstream democrats are sticking with a candidate they know.

I'm not defending Clinton, I'm just saying that Bernie hasn't spent time building a relationship and he isn't charismatic to the Democratic voter like Obama was.

That said, it's not over yet. Trump's fiasco this weekend may actually help Sanders over the top because it may motivate people to vote in larger numbers. That's Bernie's best hope IMO. Not a knockout punch at the debate. Hitting a woman isn't going to impress the Democratic voter.
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I say fuck that. Just listen to the man. If his message doesn't resonate with the vast majority of people then they aren't paying attention. People that want a reach around from their candidate need to wake the fuck up.

It's as clear as day to me that he is the ONLY horse in this race that isn't in bed with corporate America.
 
schuylaar said:
well..if one must..:roll:

Yeah, Ron Paul is Racist:

http://www.vice.com/read/yeah-ron-paul-is-racist-after-all-sorry

you know it's huge when you have a top 10 list..

Top 10 Racist Who Support Ron Paul:

http://newsone.com/1748295/top-10-racist-ron-paul-friends-supporters/

and my favorite..:lol:

Anonymous Breaks into Neo Nazi Website Finds Ron Paul:

http://samuel-warde.com/2013/11/anonymous-hacks-website-finds-ron-paul-connection/
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I'll admit I'm open to learning new info, thanks, although the credibility of these citations may be questionable, I will review them and allow the possibility that I overlooked something.
 
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