I <3 Corporate Greed

WillyBagseed

WillyBagseed

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Free markets do play favorites, you have to be pretty naive to think people (corporations) behave without regulation. You also have to be pretty naive to think that the "people"(real people) can correct a behaving badly corporation.

Unregulated laissez-faire capitalism does not work except for people in position to abuse it.


I will agree poorly(badly) regulated capitalism can be terrible as well.
 
deprave

deprave

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You make a good point. I meant they don't play favorites as in treating one entity different from another.
 
M

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tomahawk2406 said:
exactly free markets prey on people. free market ideas can work, but only to a certain degree. but i guess your making my point..........we had to bailout big business because we allowed them to prey on people.

we all know money doesn't grow on trees and bailouts that can equal billions are unacceptable. however, free market can allow a company to build up to a huge degree. now what happens when they fail and more than half the country depends on their status?
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Why do you take the increasingly common viewpoint that corporations prey on the common people? "The corporations" are not a group of sadistic hyenas, eager to devour the american people. They are more like fat kids. You don't put all of the blame on the child, it goes to the ineffective parents. Also, Why do you say that a large corporation is dangerous? The danger lies not in the size of a corporation, but in the inefficient, ineffective regulation. Legislation is supposed to keep a corporation from making decisions that harm the economy.

MuyLocoNC said:
You make the common mistake of thinking that by paying more taxes, everything will be fine. As soon as the progressives get higher tax rates and if the fantasy of more revenue actually came true, they would just spend more.

We don't need higher tax rates, we don't need more revenue, we take in far more than we should be spending. The problem is progressives on both sides of the aisle have increased the size of government by about 40% since 2001 and the population sure as hell didn't grow by 40%.

We need to hack off about $2 trillion of the annual budget (after the Senate FINALLY creates a budget) and get to paying off the debt. Then we need to get down to the real business at hand, ending all the social programs that never should have been allowed in the first place. Yeah, ending them.
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I agree that current social programs are not the answer. However, quitting cold-turkey would only cause different problems to crop up. A different way isn't always better. We need to find a more effective way to deal with poverty, homelessness, disease, health care, etc. instead of just not dealing with it.
 
tomahawk2406

tomahawk2406

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Metaphysicist said:
Why do you take the increasingly common viewpoint that corporations prey on the common people? "The corporations" are not a group of sadistic hyenas, eager to devour the american people. They are more like fat kids. You don't put all of the blame on the child, it goes to the ineffective parents. Also, Why do you say that a large corporation is dangerous? The danger lies not in the size of a corporation, but in the inefficient, ineffective regulation. Legislation is supposed to keep a corporation from making decisions that harm the economy.

i get what your saying i guess im generalizing too much since i've been typing my stances on this free market topic that i come off a little irrational. i know that large corporations don't feed on americans. its the fact that they can.........they can and no one stops them. i know this isn't a daily occuring thing but its happened. My point is that more government interest in business could avoid major issues that we've all witnessed. The beginning of something is never the end of it. i feel that once the "markets becomes more free", it will start a snowballing effect of greed and power.
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tomahawk2406 said:
i get what your saying i guess im generalizing too much since i've been typing my stances on this free market topic that i come off a little irrational. i know that large corporations don't feed on americans. its the fact that they can.........they can and no one stops them. i know this isn't a daily occuring thing but its happened. My point is that more government interest in business could avoid major issues that we've all witnessed. The beginning of something is never the end of it. i feel that once the "markets becomes more free", it will start a snowballing effect of greed and power.
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I think that we're pretty much on the same page. I just think that an absolute position, always more government or always less government, is dangerous. Its all about having the precise application of government.
 
tomahawk2406

tomahawk2406

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I think that we're pretty much on the same page. I just think that an absolute position, always more government or always less government, is dangerous. Its all about having the precise application of government.
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and of course the only way we could achieve that is some sort of magical harry potter powers that we as average citizens do not have.


no sarcasm, pretty much fact.
 
deprave

deprave

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Yes they do, Indirectly, corporations don't care about people, their not supposed to, it's actually contrary to their goals which is to perpetuate their name and rake in profits and with that comes blocking competition.

[video=youtube;Aaq5_sGdcTo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aaq5_sGdcTo[/video]
 
sso

sso

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yep the fat foodaholic thats always going into the closet with All the cake (later found passed out covererd in cream)

great at parties, everyone wants them to attend :)


"greed is good" gordon gekko (yup,took his disciples only 20 years to literally eat us into a depression and borderline riots and rebellion :) (actually, now that i think about it, I love these guys, i hated the previous system almost as much as this one :) (and they are ruining it quicker than any rebellion :)))

ah, yup greed is good, leading to brilliant ideas like the "trickle down effect"

basically its

you have a birthday party and one hugely fat kid gets to eat all the cake, but he´s a bit messy eater so surely some of the cake splatters on the other guests, might even be some crumbs left, yeah? ;)

that was the idea anyway, yup best party ever :)

yeah, basically i think its great, hungry people make for pretty darn good rebels :) (lord muckety muck and you (mr greed) eating yourself out of existence :))
 
M

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I'm appalled at the lack of fact in your statement, although I do love an entertaining work of fiction. You are simply mistaken. A corporation does not necessarily need to block competition, in fact only certain corporations even can block competition. You are talking about a unique kind of industry-specific market structure, known as Monopolistic Competion. Cases of monopolistic competition are the most publicly visible type of corporate competition because their market situation forces them to resort to whats known as "non-price competition". Many of the biggest, most vital industries are stuctured differently and therefore are forced to work with different constraints. These corporations would be ill advised to try to block competition.

Do you know what the two main types of profit an economist looks at are?
 
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sso said:
yep the fat foodaholic thats always going into the closet with All the cake (later found passed out covererd in cream)

great at parties, everyone wants them to attend :)


"greed is good" gordon gekko (yup,took his disciples only 20 years to literally eat us into a depression and borderline riots and rebellion :) (actually, now that i think about it, I love these guys, i hated the previous system almost as much as this one :) (and they are ruining it quicker than any rebellion :)))

ah, yup greed is good, leading to brilliant ideas like the "trickle down effect"

basically its

you have a birthday party and one hugely fat kid gets to eat all the cake, but he´s a bit messy eater so surely some of the cake splatters on the other guests, might even be some crumbs left, yeah? ;)

that was the idea anyway, yup best party ever :)

yeah, basically i think its great, hungry people make for pretty darn good rebels :) (lord muckety muck and you (mr greed) eating yourself out of existence :))
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... *Meta tries to decipher the choppy, incoherent nonsense*... sooo.... youre saying you like cake?
 
sso

sso

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you are still looking at this wrong.

the biggest corporations totally dominate the market, banks, stock markets (all a big swindle and in cahoots)

oil. drugs (pharma)

and anyway, it doesnt matter, look at the current social situation and look what caused it, are you blind to that?
 
sso

sso

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hmm, its interesting also, your tactics are the tactics of "free market" dudes over here.

basically say "you argument is shit, blablabla, your argument is shit" (mostly insults and trying to belittle the "opponent"

which is a bit of a joke, judge them by their actions, not their words (is a great lesson btw ;))
 
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sso said:
you are still looking at this wrong.

the biggest corporations totally dominate the market, banks, stock markets (all a big swindle and in cahoots)

oil. drugs (pharma)

and anyway, it doesnt matter, look at the current social situation and look what caused it, are you blind to that?
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No I'm not blind to it, and thank you for keeping on topic. I have no issue with opposing arguments, I cant argue without them. But if I have no idea what the other person is trying to say, like if theyre switching between a misappropriated cake metaphor and direct argument, then I cant argue back. Anyway, I agree that there are specific corporations that are largely to blame for the market crash, however if we had had more efficient, more effective government policy, it could have been avoided. Its silly to say that because corporations are imperfect we should demonize and remove them.
 
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