grandpabear3
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bc has a nice sweet tooth that has similar characteristics to the hash plant. and flora nove is the organic hydro....decent for drip systems but i thing it would clog the "crap" outta the misters in aero.
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bc has a nice sweet tooth that has similar characteristics to the hash plant. and flora nove is the organic hydro....decent for drip systems but i thing it would clog the "crap" outta the misters in aero.
grandpabear3
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ok, havent updated in a while so here goes. my 1st harvest was....blah and this one is shaping up to be even worse. 5.6 ounces wet so around 1.4 or more dry.
then i only have 1 more harvest to go before all the damaged crops are out of rotation. but anyway here's what it looks like now in the op. lots going on and just retired 2 moms and have 6 more growing in their place. i'll be ritiring 2 more in a few weeks.
but i must say that it looks nice in there now. not barren
shitty ass camera. this is one of the bigger ones minutes before harvest.
this is a wide shot....front is gettin chopped and right behind it are the last stunted ones.
and these are perfect. budding growing not stunted or overpruned. but wont be ready till december.
and as wide as i can get .....all my girls and 2 mommas i retired today.
here are the 6 that will replace all my ,mums in a month
and i'm sure you'll all be happy to know that i am back to not being able to clone worth a damn. these are all 20 days old. i just dont understand.
here they are chopped and laid out.
these are the biggest ones.....whoopdeedoo
a lil close up of a "big" one.....lol
anyway there you go. lemme have it guys. but know this. i made these mistakes that caused these sub-parr buds 6 weeks ago.
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then i only have 1 more harvest to go before all the damaged crops are out of rotation. but anyway here's what it looks like now in the op. lots going on and just retired 2 moms and have 6 more growing in their place. i'll be ritiring 2 more in a few weeks.but i must say that it looks nice in there now. not barren
shitty ass camera. this is one of the bigger ones minutes before harvest.
this is a wide shot....front is gettin chopped and right behind it are the last stunted ones.
and these are perfect. budding growing not stunted or overpruned. but wont be ready till december.
and as wide as i can get .....all my girls and 2 mommas i retired today.
here are the 6 that will replace all my ,mums in a month
and i'm sure you'll all be happy to know that i am back to not being able to clone worth a damn. these are all 20 days old. i just dont understand.
here they are chopped and laid out.
these are the biggest ones.....whoopdeedoo
a lil close up of a "big" one.....lol
anyway there you go. lemme have it guys. but know this. i made these mistakes that caused these sub-parr buds 6 weeks ago.
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Tsolrathe
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So, I've gotten everything I think I need... just waiting on my light to come in the mail. Now that I've got a good PH meter, and a PPM meter, and my hydroponic system is running, I have some newbieish questions, but please bear with me.
How do you know how much nutes to use? I'm using General Hydroponic's Flora series. Following the label on the bottles, and using what they recommend for vegging, gives me a PPM of 770ish, and drops my PH down to exactly 5.8(it's 7.4 coming out of the tap). Most of the guides I've read have PPMs way higher than that, yet say they start out with less than the recommended dosage. I think I also read somewhere that you can check the ppm, and if it's going down, that means you can raise the nutes, if it stays the same, you're just right, and if it's going up or your plants start burning, back off. This makes sense to me, but I don't even know where to start at, and since I'm an idiot using 6" rockwool, it takes my plants a good 24-48 hours to even be affected by any changes I make in the nutes... so I wanna play it safe. When you're doing RoG, what do you do for nutes? Do you use the same throughout the whole thing(I think I read that Al B does that), or slowly raise it.. and do you change proportions at any point from veg to preflower to flower, or does that stay all the same?
Oh, and another quasi-related question. About growing mediums... I think most of you have mentioned that you have your plants in 1" rockwool, which is then in hydroton. I think Al B said he puts rockwool pellets at the bottom of the pot to help keep it from floating. I don't have hydroton, and I'd either have to buy it in bulk, travel a long ways to get it, or pay a ton in shipping to get it off of ebay. Amazingly enough, I can get rockwool. I can also get perlite for cheaper than dirt, but I remember from my days working at a nursery, that I hate that stuff. Any other recommendations? How does that coconut stuff work? I think I've read about someone growing in shredded newspaper or something like that... but that seems like a horrible idea for so many reasons.
And that made me think of another question...
I've made some assumptions about how you 'transplant' when growing this way, but I just want to make sure I'm on the right track...
When you start a clone aeroponically, I'm guessing you just wait for the root nodes to appear, then put it in the 1" rockwool, but then when does it go into the hydroton? Right away? My seeds were extremely effective at growing roots in the 1" rockwool even when I had it saturated. Before I knew any better, I had 2" roots sticking out the bottom into my tubberware container. Can I do the clones that way, then transfer them into the hydroton/whatever once the roots hang low enough to get to the water when the table fills... or how do you guys do it?
One last thing... is there any trick of the trade to make it so that my system's quieter when the water drains out(without making it drain slower)? It's quiet filling up, but makes this horrible glugging and slurping sound when it drains. I'm afraid my roommates are going to think I'm drowning cats in my closet.
Sorry the post is so long, but I ramble when I'm high, and I figured more details was good.
How do you know how much nutes to use? I'm using General Hydroponic's Flora series. Following the label on the bottles, and using what they recommend for vegging, gives me a PPM of 770ish, and drops my PH down to exactly 5.8(it's 7.4 coming out of the tap). Most of the guides I've read have PPMs way higher than that, yet say they start out with less than the recommended dosage. I think I also read somewhere that you can check the ppm, and if it's going down, that means you can raise the nutes, if it stays the same, you're just right, and if it's going up or your plants start burning, back off. This makes sense to me, but I don't even know where to start at, and since I'm an idiot using 6" rockwool, it takes my plants a good 24-48 hours to even be affected by any changes I make in the nutes... so I wanna play it safe. When you're doing RoG, what do you do for nutes? Do you use the same throughout the whole thing(I think I read that Al B does that), or slowly raise it.. and do you change proportions at any point from veg to preflower to flower, or does that stay all the same?
Oh, and another quasi-related question. About growing mediums... I think most of you have mentioned that you have your plants in 1" rockwool, which is then in hydroton. I think Al B said he puts rockwool pellets at the bottom of the pot to help keep it from floating. I don't have hydroton, and I'd either have to buy it in bulk, travel a long ways to get it, or pay a ton in shipping to get it off of ebay. Amazingly enough, I can get rockwool. I can also get perlite for cheaper than dirt, but I remember from my days working at a nursery, that I hate that stuff. Any other recommendations? How does that coconut stuff work? I think I've read about someone growing in shredded newspaper or something like that... but that seems like a horrible idea for so many reasons.
And that made me think of another question...
I've made some assumptions about how you 'transplant' when growing this way, but I just want to make sure I'm on the right track...
When you start a clone aeroponically, I'm guessing you just wait for the root nodes to appear, then put it in the 1" rockwool, but then when does it go into the hydroton? Right away? My seeds were extremely effective at growing roots in the 1" rockwool even when I had it saturated. Before I knew any better, I had 2" roots sticking out the bottom into my tubberware container. Can I do the clones that way, then transfer them into the hydroton/whatever once the roots hang low enough to get to the water when the table fills... or how do you guys do it?
One last thing... is there any trick of the trade to make it so that my system's quieter when the water drains out(without making it drain slower)? It's quiet filling up, but makes this horrible glugging and slurping sound when it drains. I'm afraid my roommates are going to think I'm drowning cats in my closet.
Sorry the post is so long, but I ramble when I'm high, and I figured more details was good.
StinkBud
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Don't sweat it. You're doing better than I did when I first started!ok, havent updated in a while so here goes. my 1st harvest was....blah and this one is shaping up to be even worse. 5.6 ounces wet so around 1.4 or more dry.
As far as clones go, some strains just take longer to root. Nothing you can do about it. My NYC Diesel takes at least 2 weeks to pop roots but my Snowbud pops within days. Why? Fuck if I know, it's just the way it is.
All that matters is that they don't die by the time they pop roots. Remember, even if it takes a month to root you still won't need them for awhile.
I could never get those blue containers to stop leaking. Once I switched to Ruffneck containers all my leaks (and worries) went away.
You know if you used my system you would be harvesting a pound right now...
grandpabear3
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ya i know but shit i gotta build it first man....and i'm not leaving f+d im just adding your setup to my existin g room and i'm going to grow another strain in them.....quite excited.
grandpabear3
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YOU SEEM NICE BUT THIS IS GONNA TAKE A LOT OF WORK AND FRANKLY WE'RE ALL SCARED OF GETTING BURNED.....YOU SEE THIS IS A BIG STEP IN DEVELOPING OUR RELATIONSHIP. AND TOO MANY TIMES WE TRY TO HELP SOMEONE LIKE YOU, WE GET INVOLVED AND BLAM!!!! THEY'RE A FUCKIN RETARD. THEN WE'VE WASTED TIME AND EMOTION (AND I'M NOT KIDDING ABOUT THAT) ON SOMEONE WHO GIVES UP. BUT ALAS, I'M A SLAVE TO PROGRESS AND THE GOVENMENT CAN NEVER BE OVERGROWN UNLESS WE HELP EACH OTHER IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE. SO FOR THE CAUSE, NOT YOU.....I CANT TAKE ANOTHER HEART BREAK.
WELL YOU SHOULD BE BEATEN FOR IT BUT WE'LL SEE.....YOU MIGHT NOT SUCK AFTER ALL.....SOME OF US WILL BE WATCHINGSOUNDS LIKE YOUR HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
I MUST SAY THAT YOU , SIR , GIVE ME HOPE...I'M SHOWING MY BUDDY SPARKAFIRE THIS POST SO I CAN RENEW HIS FAITH IN THE PEOPLE TRYING TO LEARN. YOU CLEARLY DEMONSTRATE A BASIC "RUNNING" KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT IT IS YOU INTEND TO DO. YOUR QUESTIONS ARE WELL THOUGHT OUT AND IT SHOWS THAT YOU HAVE READ....HOW SIMPLE IS THAT BUT NOONE WANTS TO FUCKIN DO IT....I CANT STOP MYSELF.WELL BUDDY THIS SENTENCE WAS THE REASON I DECIDED TO ANSWER YOUR POST. I USE THOSE NUTES EXACTLY AND IF YOU FOLLOW THE CHART ON THE BACK FOR FULL STRENGTH YOU WILL BE FUCKIN PERFECT. IT TRUELY IS A NO BRAINER FEEDOING SYSTEM. THATS WHY I LOVE IT. TELL ME WHAT SIZE YOUR TUBS ARE AND I'LL BE ABLE TO GET IT FOR YOU IF YOU CANT FIGURE IT OUT.THEY HAVE A CHART ON THEIR WEBSITE ...THAT'S WHAT I GO BY.
SERIOUSLY.....I THINK I LOVE YOU
THAT IS CORRECT
RW IS AWESOME SHIT....JUST A PASIN IN THE ASS FOR ME TO CLONE IN. JUST MAKE SURE THE BOTTOM OF YOUR CUBE IS 1/2" ABOVE THE FLOOD LINE IN THE TRAY....YES ABOVE....THEN YOU CAN FLOOD YOUR PELLETS OR PERLITE AS MUCH AS 6 TIMES PER LIGHTS ON WITH EXPLOSIVE ROOT GROWTH....COMPERABLE TO DWC.DO THIS AND YOUR CHANGES WILL BE NOTICABLE QUICKLY....FOR THE GOOD OR THE BAD UNFORTUNATELY.
THESE FUCKIN QUESTIONS ARE GIVING ME WOOD
I KEEP MY FIRST TABLE AT 1300 AND THE OTHERS AT 1400 AND THE MOMS AT 1600 AND THE CLONER AT 0. AND ONLY FEED ONCE EVERY TWO WEEKS WHEN I CHANGE THE WATER AND CLEAN THE TUB. THE PLANTS DO THE REST....NO TOP OFF'S OF NUTES, JUST WATER AND H2O2 EVERY 3 DAYS AND CORRECTING PH TO 5.8 WHEN IT RISES ABOVE 6.3
SOME ARE LIKE THAT MINE AND ALS ARE RW FLOC IN THE BOTTOM, JUST ENOUGH TO COVER THE HOLES SO MY CHUNKY PERLITE WONT FALL OUT....HE USES FLYTOCEL INSTEAD OF PERLITE.
SEE ABOVE
FUCK HYDROTON
GOOD MAN ...NOW YOUR COOKIN WITH GAS!!!
TOO BAD....
AND THE SAME IS TRUE OF COCONUT COIR.....FUCK THAT SHIT TOO
DRUMROLL.........................................
NO ROCKWOOL AND NO HYDROTON....LOOK IN MY JOURNAL IN MY SIGNATURE ON PAGE 2 I BELIEVE I DID A TUTORIAL WITH POP UP PICTURES FOR ALL THE KIDDIES AND ITS A MUST READ FOR ANY OF US WHO LOSE OUR WAY. JUST IGNORE THE RAPID ROOTERS BECUSE I GOT THE NEOPRENE COLLARS NOW
YOU PRETTY MUCH GOT IT....I NESTLE MINE IN THE PERLITE AN INCH BELOW THE FLOOD LINE ON THE POTS AND THEN FILL THE REST OF THE WAY WITH PERLITE TO SUPPOR THE STEMS.
NOPE YOUR SCREWED ON THAT ONE....THAT BITCH IS GONNA SLURP...........
Sorry the post is so long, but I ramble when I'm high, and I figured more details was good.
grandpabear3
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NOW THAT'S A FUCKIN POST. kinda proud of that one
GypsyBush
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Tsolrathe
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Thanks, Bugs, for having a little faith, and answering my questions. Believe me, I've read my share of idiot posts on this forum. This one's my favorite(I think she gets slack for being a girl). https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/123650-growing-pot-easy.html
The first post and picture almost had me on the floor laughing... but she does get better... and I probably started out just as dumb, but I read a lot before posting anything. Sparka's prolly the only reason I've even made it this far. He's been helping me out in my grow journal.
Anyway, you've pretty much answered all my questions for now(especially on the cloning and grow mediums), except I'm still missing something on the nutes. You say you follow the instructions on the bottles, which is what I've been doing, but it only gives me a ppm of about 770ish. Do you just follow the instructions to get the correct proportions, and then up them to the appropriate ppm? The plants seem to be doing well with what I'm doing now, but I figure they can always do that little bit better...
The first post and picture almost had me on the floor laughing... but she does get better... and I probably started out just as dumb, but I read a lot before posting anything. Sparka's prolly the only reason I've even made it this far. He's been helping me out in my grow journal.
Anyway, you've pretty much answered all my questions for now(especially on the cloning and grow mediums), except I'm still missing something on the nutes. You say you follow the instructions on the bottles, which is what I've been doing, but it only gives me a ppm of about 770ish. Do you just follow the instructions to get the correct proportions, and then up them to the appropriate ppm? The plants seem to be doing well with what I'm doing now, but I figure they can always do that little bit better...
grandpabear3
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good luck with your grow
grandpabear3
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mini update....got the aquarium heaters that stay at a constant 78 degrees and i put my thermo heat mat under the cloner so the water is perfect now. i have a space heater at the growing tips and it is set for 80 and blows warm air over them. then i put a humidome over half of them just to see if there is a difference. i also took cuttings from as low on the plant as possible. i will only need 1 more set of clones from these moms then the little ones will replace the last 4 with 6 fresh new moms. i have definately noticed my bitches showing signs of old age and i will not wait so ling to replace them next time. cant wait to flower 4 of these bitches at the same time ....that'll be a huge harvest and off the books...so to speak. so i am going to buy some cloning solution for the cloner....i hear great things and it might make the difference for me. those of you that follow know what i mean....lol. thanks to everyone that reads this thread. it means more to me than it should.
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Tsolrathe
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From what I've read, it's desirable to have the pots up off the bottom of the table so they're not sitting in water. I've seen various ways of doing this, from expensive rubber mats to work-intensive DIY screens and rails.
What about using a thin layer of sterilized gravel? Seems like that'd work, and I can't think of anything wrong with it... so what are your opinions? I got this idea when coming up with ways to solve my little fountain problem.
What about using a thin layer of sterilized gravel? Seems like that'd work, and I can't think of anything wrong with it... so what are your opinions? I got this idea when coming up with ways to solve my little fountain problem.
sparkafire
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NOPE! don't do gravel. Now my roots sit in water with no problems others might say they have different results. I would not put gravel down though. You just have to watch for root rot and such.
grandpabear3
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what the hell happened to our thread...it died
StinkBud
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I bet you get all kinds of neat stuff growing besides roots with those temps. Oh yea, you put a bunch of shit in your water to kill all the funk.
Interesting...I try to keep my water cold and you put a heater under yours.
I have 100% success. No funky shit ever and I have always have rooted clones coming out my ass.
Trust me bro...I know my shit.
Tsolrathe
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Is that the secret!?! You root them in your ass? I never would have thought of that... 
Just kidding... I've actually read that lots of people use heaters for their clones, keeping the water between 70 and 80 degrees. I can't speak from personal experience though, I haven't gone through cloning yet. Soon, though. I wasn't planning on using a heater, figured I'd keep it simple, but we'll see how it goes.
I'm in a celebratory mood. Both of my plants in my first grow are looking like girls.
I'd smoke a cigar, but tobacco's bad for you, so I guess I'll have to settle for a blunt.
Just kidding... I've actually read that lots of people use heaters for their clones, keeping the water between 70 and 80 degrees. I can't speak from personal experience though, I haven't gone through cloning yet. Soon, though. I wasn't planning on using a heater, figured I'd keep it simple, but we'll see how it goes.I'm in a celebratory mood. Both of my plants in my first grow are looking like girls.
I'd smoke a cigar, but tobacco's bad for you, so I guess I'll have to settle for a blunt.
Demosthenese
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well hello all, im at the stage of cloning in prep for a perpetual sog cab setup, been whatching the cloning debates for a while now. mine are in a homemade bubbler right now, day 6 no roots but still look healthy. Journal has pics.
seems like many people control all or none of the variables in various ways and end up with polar results, so im going with what seems to make sense, sterile equipment, 3 bubbler stones, root gel, h202 and ph 5.8-6. we'll see what happens, hopefully ill wake up to some roots one of these days.
seems like many people control all or none of the variables in various ways and end up with polar results, so im going with what seems to make sense, sterile equipment, 3 bubbler stones, root gel, h202 and ph 5.8-6. we'll see what happens, hopefully ill wake up to some roots one of these days.
grandpabear3
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you have got to be kidding me.....did your fuckin dog die or something?
stop being stupid!!!!! nothing else grows in there at all and the bunch of shit is h2o2 ass. when your fuckin water is 32 degrees the roots dont care for it much. so the heater brings the temp up to around 65-70......some would say just about perfect.
i guess your not helpfull like i though. you seem to look for arguements with your style of helping people. insults worked well for mom and dad huh?
well that's what the ignore button is for.....nevermind. what happened to you? noone needs to be told how stupid they are or what they are doing is because you've been there. your a writer of sorts and that's all you can do? i think not. sorry for being a dick i just cant believe i got 2 seperate posts from you being unreasonably rude.
grandpabear3
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hey man, ya we can see you...lol dont sweat it......the back and forth of all of this is unfortunately common. i try to leave it alone but sometimes i cant help myself. the guy im bitchin at is actually one of the better growers around and has a massive library of tutorial info that would put anyone through pot college wich is why it suprised me he would be so seemingly close minded. after reading it again i may have overreacted but the point is valid.
yay me!!!