Hungry.. hot.. angry..

I have now added back 14 gallons since I changed the res, I been holding about 2.2 2.3 ec, still 5.8 and I never did mention res temp but it’s always been 64-66. I think they are improving. I don’t know what to expect but looking at my numbers I’m going to be swapping the system every week. I don’t think I ever had plants that demanded so much food but I have never grown hydro. Growth is still explosive threw all this and the transition, they have all shown sex just before I switched 12/12 or a couple days after. I honestly expected the new growth to look better by now but I will time it by the res change and go another day, maybe I’m just tripping balls and never seen fast enough growth and it’s normal for hydro.

Renfro said:

When you flip them their need for feed goes through the roof. If the medium pH was off or there was just barely enough of something during veg then after flip you will see signs of shortage. It doesn't take long.

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I just saw this comment and it makes sense as well makes me feel better, when I feed peat grows the stuffs always there threw this phase, ph was good but I should of gave them fresh water and nute before the flip and not assumed all the elements were up to par for the task at hand and the size of the plants.

Well another 24 has passed, I can’t say it looks any better. Not really sure if I should up the feed a bit. I grabbed a pic right when the light fired. It’s just the new growth, it’s growing, stretching, rest of the plant looks fine but every grow tip on every plant. I added back 14 gallons with 8/16 m/b since tue morning. Any ideas @Renfro? I’m thinking of upping ppm another 1-200 but it’s 1150 now and has been since the change and the ph still dances 5.8-.9 I’m not seeing any new burn yet. I know you said 2.2-2.3 but is it possible they still need more? Should I flush them and start over? I would greatly appreciate any further advice you might have. The stalk on this plant little under 2” thick if that helps size it up.

Gave them more, I’m surprised how much I can add and not raise the ppm a lot, new nutes and medium kinda a winger right now. Used hardwater micro anyways for the add. Added 100m 200b 1200ppm 5.8, see how they look in 24. Still stretching, slight burn seen was from the calimagic episode. Think I’m on the right track now, I’m also forgetting I lost 6 hours of light a day and they are not responding as quick like 18/6.

Yeah man, just hungry, look better this eve. Glad I’m stocked on the trio if they’re going to eat like this. 2.5gal micro jugs pour way better too. 1gal I already made a murder scene with, I’m sure we all been there haha.

never grew in anything different then soil. nice that they kicked back, good luck man

Mr. Cheetah said:

never grew in anything different then soil. nice that they kicked back, good luck man

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Thanks man, yeah it’s my first stab at hydro. I have always wanted to do hydro. I wiggled my way to the back last night and took a couple pails off them. They look pretty good, still have one plant giving me problems since seed, hot garbage critical kush, I tossed 2 of them on week 2, should of tossed all 4. I want to say fuck Barney’s but I had a beautiful LSD in the past and right now, a really nice cookies kush. My nice plants are 5 year old seed, already have my next seeds picked, done with these sketchy genetics.

They been feeding at 2.6ec for couple days now, I moved the ph to 5.9 from 5.8 for shits and giggles, jungle mode has been enabled, considering adding some bennies but I’m still on the fence, feel it would benniefit me right now. Lmao, I’m high, had too..

J232 said:

Haha yeah I never know if I should speak Canadian or American on measuments. I did about 350ml last time then did half m/g/b then decided to double up forgetting that I did full calmag.. that’s how it got double. I have 80 gallons of fresh RO water on standby now. I didn’t have the energy for this tonight lol going to start pretty soon. They will be happy after though. Step one sesh..

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I grew up learning Canadian/British measure then I go back to school for chemistry in my 30s for three years and everything is metric so I'm pretty fluent in both now. I use metric for all liquid measure but for dimensions or distance I still measure and think in standard. My 6.5" dick sounds a lot bigger as 16.5cm lol

When talking about gallons for growing and that I think of a US gallon which is just a bit smaller than 4L so you can use quarts instead of litres and be talking the same thing too.

When you start mixing up your units is when you start making mistakes as witnessed in this thread.

How come no pics of the whole room yet? I'd like to see your setup. I always just used the tubs as single units. Much better than using pails for the extra volume but I've had 16 plants in one tub before for fun. 1 plant ScroG really produced. 8oz of great bud and that again in sugar and popcorn. Gotta do that again.

OldMedUser said:

I grew up learning Canadian/British measure then I go back to school for chemistry in my 30s for three years and everything is metric so I'm pretty fluent in both now. I use metric for all liquid measure but for dimensions or distance I still measure and think in standard. My 6.5" dick sounds a lot bigger as 16.5cm lol

When talking about gallons for growing and that I think of a US gallon which is just a bit smaller than 4L so you can use quarts instead of litres and be talking the same thing too.

When you start mixing up your units is when you start making mistakes as witnessed in this thread.

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For some reason I am the same, I can’t visualize a 16.5 cm dick but inches, no problem lol. I use ml, tsp, tbsp, use 2.5 and 5 on those, sticks of butter... my fav measurement hahaha. I just round it all up, I use gallons, my measuments are off 3.79L, I think they taught the metric system but I must of missed a couple days. Rather use mm then fractions, meters, feet, inches, grams, lbs. Nice mix I guess

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How come no pics of the whole room yet? I'd like to see your setup. I always just used the tubs as single units. Much better than using pails for the extra volume but I've had 16 plants in one tub before for fun. 1 plant ScroG really produced. 8oz of great bud and that again in sugar and popcorn. Gotta do that again.

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8oz plus trimmings is awesome. I planned on 8 pots, I pulled a couple trouble makers early then had the bright idea I should plant a couple to fill the holes. 8 was way too much for the training I did, 6 is too much. I haven’t decided how to do it next time, might be 4 and do this training or maybe a scrog or sog. I might just do 8 plants topped once or just let them go. Here’s a early pic that you can see the setup, over head is a couple 6” can fans. The control tote is outside the room, 1800gph pump feeding a 3/4 inch manifold with 2 5/16” holes per site in 8” bars in the totes. I run a 1/4 chiller, pretty standard setup, I bought myself a monitor, small boy pre filter and stealth150 ro, looks like I need a dehumidifier now for my dark time and a swamp cooler or mister for lights on. Mentioned before I ran a 1k mh DE for veg then flipped with 1k hps and threw up another 600w SE to help out, canopy now is around 6 x 6.

Current picture, bottom left plants a trouble maker, had 4 of them and took 2 out, there’s 2 plants per tote but really you can only see 4..
I will grab some better pics tomorrow before the light comes on. I’m going in there in about a week to do a final cleanup. I been watching fingers crossed for some nice bud structure, some are meh, some look pretty good, my biggest plant has stretched more then I would of liked but maybe it’s for a reason, we will see. Peyote critical, critical mass, cookies kush, pre 98 bubba and critical kush. Critical kush hates everything but it’s doing it’s thing still. I started with 3 strains, now there’s 5, at least I will have some variation in smoke. Next run will be one strain.

Been reading and thinking for a couple weeks, think I’m going to switch to the maxibloom/calmag formula. I assume I can just transition the change with add backs. I want to avoid res changes moving forward.

J232 said:

Been reading and thinking for a couple weeks, think I’m going to switch to the maxibloom/calmag formula. I assume I can just transition the change with add backs. I want to avoid res changes moving forward.

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Nice garden!

I don't really know much about the Maxibloom other than what I've read. I don't buy Monsanto products. GH has always denied us growers so why should I give them any of my money. No that it's becoming legal they are jumping on the bandwagon. GH->Scotts/Monsanto->Bayer with their grow company spin-off Hawthorn Gardening and the ones Canadian Tire sells now. Bought out Gavita, Sunlight Supply, Botanicare and lots more.

They want to be the Walmart/Budweiser of hobby and commercial pot growing. Fuck them!

Just mixed up some MegaCrop for the wife's tomatoes and peppers that are still hogging up space I need in the spare bedroom.

OldMedUser said:

Nice garden!

I don't really know much about the Maxibloom other than what I've read. I don't buy Monsanto products. GH has always denied us growers so why should I give them any of my money. No that it's becoming legal they are jumping on the bandwagon. GH->Scotts/Monsanto->Bayer with their grow company spin-off Hawthorn Gardening and the ones Canadian Tire sells now. Bought out Gavita, Sunlight Supply, Botanicare and lots more.

They want to be the Walmart/Budweiser of hobby and commercial pot growing. Fuck them!

Just mixed up some MegaCrop for the wife's tomatoes and peppers that are still hogging up space I need in the spare bedroom.

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Thanks man, I know, everyone’s fucking everyone now, I love Canadian tire and peavy mart, peavy here has a hydro section, nothing I would use but definitely stuff you can use. I’m open to anything, was just thinking maxibloom for the Lucas formula in one powder but there are other options. I went back to that MSM info you gave me, plant been looking weird to me for couple weeks, since I hit them with hps. Wondering if it’s not a sulfer issue, rare I know. Looking at my nutes, bloom has 1% and nothing else has anything. Hit it with my premixed Epsom salts and a quick foliage spray to eliminate that maybe. Wondering if the MSM would be more effective while keeping ppm down for other stuffs. Check out the colour and leaf curl. My rh is getting pretty low and that might be the curl part.. it’s just new growth then the colour fills in the leaf later, outside to inside then to stem. I grabbed some light out pics today, glad I did because my fan has a little blue light I never noticed before. Unrelated, my 15 top plant sure stretched, check out the branching at the nodes is going for the gold haha. Bottom left plant has lived a life of leaf symptoms, it will never be happy, burned it but wasn’t going to tailor to one plant. I feel I should of ran beneficials and maybe silica. I’m going to sit down tonight at break open my laptop and run some stuff threw Renfro’s calculator, I read threw that thread or the good stuff anyways a few times by now. I never took the time to pay attention as I should, I think to maximize this hydro I’m going to have to be on the ball a bit better and understand what is going on with uptake. Was easy enough to mix couple gallons and dump it in some dirt, clap my hands and walk away. Can see bit of tip burn that’s grown out, i since downed ppm, the calmag episode as well... lol

Overall your garden looks great. Way better than my last few grows but I've been very neglectful with fug all motivation. The last plant I harvested was last Nov. and part of it is still on the plant downstairs. Good and dry now! lol Just going to make it into RSO anyways. Hindu Kush.

Everything does look very dark green but that could be because of the Ca OD as that's one of the symptoms. Also a symptom of a high level of feed.

At your lower RH and high temps I'd be keeping nute levels down as much as 50% myself. The only time I get up to 85 - 90 is when I'm adding CO2. I usually only do that during the stretch when they can eat up to 4X as much food than they were just before flowering. Good time for lots of extra light too to maximize growth during the stretch. Then I back off and let them cruise to the finish line. Everything goes to shit if I feed heavy.

OldMedUser said:

Overall your garden looks great. Way better than my last few grows but I've been very neglectful with fug all motivation. The last plant I harvested was last Nov. and part of it is still on the plant downstairs. Good and dry now! lol Just going to make it into RSO anyways. Hindu Kush.

Everything does look very dark green but that could be because of the Ca OD as that's one of the symptoms. Also a symptom of a high level of feed.

At your lower RH and high temps I'd be keeping nute levels down as much as 50% myself. The only time I get up to 85 - 90 is when I'm adding CO2. I usually only do that during the stretch when they can eat up to 4X as much food than they were just before flowering. Good time for lots of extra light too to maximize growth during the stretch. Then I back off and let them cruise to the finish line. Everything goes to shit if I feed heavy.

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Thanks man, I put a lot of effort into this round, I had to take 4 years off. Alright, I’m going to dilute, I’m up to 1350ppm, what’s that 2.7. I added some bloom boost for the sulfer and that will prob escalate it. You can see above I went fresh Lucas with no change really at a lower ppm so I went up a bit more. It could still be the calimagic od, I thought about filling plain water to rinse. I’m looking at some enzimes to help threw flower now too. Maybe UC root or something. Honestly I’m looking forward to the next round so I can apply what I did wrong this time. I might just switch up to KISS yet and see if that pulls threw better.

I’m going to try and drop the temp here first and take my ppm back to 8/16 Lucas strength. Lung room is 18 degrees cooler, need more exhaust. 1600w in 6x6 is challenging me I guess.

J232 said:

I’m going to try and drop the temp here first and take my ppm back to 8/16 Lucas strength.

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My basement grow room stays pretty cool. The most I've run for lights is 3 x 400W HPS at one time. I got a light rail a few years ago and can use less wattage to get a lot more coverage. Saves a lot of power too and only uses 9W itself. Well worth the $300 I paid for it and has paid for itself twice by now I bet. Good for LED guys too.

My last DWC I never got over 800ppm as I had 20% RH most of the time and they burned so easy. Can burn them easy in ProMix too.

OldMedUser said:

My basement grow room stays pretty cool. The most I've run for lights is 3 x 400W HPS at one time. I got a light rail a few years ago and can use less wattage to get a lot more coverage. Saves a lot of power too and only uses 9W itself. Well worth the $300 I paid for it and has paid for itself twice by now I bet. Good for LED guys too.

My last DWC I never got over 800ppm as I had 20% RH most of the time and they burned so easy. Can burn them easy in ProMix too.

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Ok, that makes sense, I’m attacking with low rh and high heat and overfeeding as a result, sounds dangerous at this point. Alright, I’m going to go see what I can do about it this eve. I appreciate the input and advice. I have another fan on order, I’m going to exhaust outdoors and free up some heat in the lung room. That should help a lot but it’s days away.