Humidity vs VDP

Spindle818

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One more suggestion as far as bud rot. I don’t know if it’s the same with organic soil growers, but in hydro do not do a prolonged flush. Tapering your nutrients down is a better option. If you start giving your hydro plant plain water for 7-14 days you will deplete all calcium and with the plant already getting close to the end of its life cycle you leave it vulnerable to pathogens, fungus, and rot
 

DoubleAtotheRON

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Keep in mind too that some strains are just not made for VPD. I've had 3 strains in the same room, and 2 will test at 0 CFU's and the other will bang it off the rev limiter at 35,000+ CFU's. So, some are just mold prone, even at a 55%rh finish. I have been following VPD all the way to the end, and it's still a crap shoot on which strains can tolerate it unless you just do it over and over again with the same pheno and get the same results every time. I ran Dosi Whoa! up as high as 63%rh at the finish, and got zero CFU's.
 

Forsure

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I've never run them but I've seen some really nice flower from Ethos. I have pre 98 bubba kush from clone and a Steve Lemme OG x White Cherry Truffle cross I'm running from a small breeder called GuamMaineian Gardens. I'm about 5 weeks in flower roughly using a new light I got to test out from Cultiuanna. Here's a shot of my 4x4 tent. Hope your grow does really well in the new space. I really need to get a bigger tent so I have to admit I'm pretty jealous.View attachment 5200389
 

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Forsure

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Ethos, Apex R1, Strawberry Cookies OG, Ethos Haze, Mandarin Zkittlez, Cherry Gar See ya, Strawberry Temple. 10 days in flower
 
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FirstCavApache64

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Ethos, Apex R1, Strawberry Cookies OG, Ethos Haze, Mandarin Zkittlez, Cherry Gar See ya, Strawberry Temple. 10 days in flower
I'd say that would last me for quite awhile. Nice looking grow, that should really produce some great plants. While I'm jealous of the space, I just couldn't deal with so many plants. I love watching other people do it however, because I get the enjoyment without the stress lol.
 

2cent

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Thanks for your reply, I have just increased my grow space from tent space to a room and it's pretty full I'm maintaining good VDP but my humidity is around 60% and just going into the second week of flower. It's the bud rot threat and PM I'm a little concerned about.
How are you all talking about vpd and humidity like there different aspects?
vpd is humidity x temp so regardless of your humidity that means nothing to vpd unless you state your temps or kpa
Your saying that vpd is good but humidity is at 60? That is explaining that your temp range matches the safe route on humidity currently didn’t really state anything but then you all blast on about the rot and stuff?
I feel like many haven’t read or understood vpd properly or the reasons why


If VPD is too low then nutrients are not taken up with water as successfully which can lead to mineral deficiencies, such as calcium for example, and lower growth rates in general. Low VPD is also associated with highly saturated water in the surrounding environment leading to moulds and root rots in plants. If, however, VPD is too high then plants will have high transpiration rates causing heavy water uptake and along with this water higher nutrient uptake leading to toxic levels being present in plants resulting in rot.

if your vpd (humidity vs temp) is in the green zone meaning it doesn’t matter what your humidity is as if it’s right you DONT get rot at all that only sets in to damaged deficient or locked out buds it finds weaknesses it doesn’t outright attack unless it has the given grounds to vpd outa range the plant can’t protect its self

try going out in the snow and having a fight naked you’ll freeze then put 10 layers on and try again easy too much u fall over you need just the right amount of layers..

aslongas there is proper airflow a fan moving air no stable patches your humidity can go to and have flowered at 85 terrines increase if you dare haha but it’s better to increase and decrease humidity when you can’t manage temps too if they go high 32c you need to raise the humidity accordingly you can’t sit there going I don’t want to go above 45 cause I’ll get rot if the vid chart says u need to raise it YOU RAISE it god damn if you don’t your gona be in negative or positive kpa and cause lockoutsthat WILl lead to rot cause you caused an illness in the buds worrying about humidity values you was once’s quoted for beginners when your trying to follow advanced growing practises that rely on control of these factors

humidity doesn’t equal rot improper airflow and shit conditions in vpd management do
The charts there fuck the rest of you need to raise it raise it the idea is you keep the pressure right in the leaf or you get problems

I run organic I compost on my soil I throw rotting veg down till the end I have fungus growing all over my soil big hairy 3inch webs wet and dripping bugs and spiders you’d have a heart attack in my room and guess what I don’t get rot from my soil lol it increased my yields
 

Forsure

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How are you all talking about vpd and humidity like there different aspects?
vpd is humidity x temp so regardless of your humidity that means nothing to vpd unless you state your temps or kpa
Your saying that vpd is good but humidity is at 60? That is explaining that your temp range matches the safe route on humidity currently didn’t really state anything but then you all blast on about the rot and stuff?
I feel like many haven’t read or understood vpd properly or the reasons why


If VPD is too low then nutrients are not taken up with water as successfully which can lead to mineral deficiencies, such as calcium for example, and lower growth rates in general. Low VPD is also associated with highly saturated water in the surrounding environment leading to moulds and root rots in plants. If, however, VPD is too high then plants will have high transpiration rates causing heavy water uptake and along with this water higher nutrient uptake leading to toxic levels being present in plants resulting in rot.

if your vpd (humidity vs temp) is in the green zone meaning it doesn’t matter what your humidity is as if it’s right you DONT get rot at all that only sets in to damaged deficient or locked out buds it finds weaknesses it doesn’t outright attack unless it has the given grounds to vpd outa range the plant can’t protect its self

try going out in the snow and having a fight naked you’ll freeze then put 10 layers on and try again easy too much u fall over you need just the right amount of layers..

aslongas there is proper airflow a fan moving air no stable patches your humidity can go to and have flowered at 85 terrines increase if you dare haha but it’s better to increase and decrease humidity when you can’t manage temps too if they go high 32c you need to raise the humidity accordingly you can’t sit there going I don’t want to go above 45 cause I’ll get rot if the vid chart says u need to raise it YOU RAISE it god damn if you don’t your gona be in negative or positive kpa and cause lockoutsthat WILl lead to rot cause you caused an illness in the buds worrying about humidity values you was once’s quoted for beginners when your trying to follow advanced growing practises that rely on control of these factors

humidity doesn’t equal rot improper airflow and shit conditions in vpd management do
The charts there fuck the rest of you need to raise it raise it the idea is you keep the pressure right in the leaf or you get problems

I run organic I compost on my soil I throw rotting veg down till the end I have fungus growing all over my soil big hairy 3inch webs wet and dripping bugs and spiders you’d have a heart attack in my room and guess what I don’t get rot from my soil lol it increased my yields
Awesome Thank you, hence the question, I don't think we have separated VDP and Humidity I think everyone here understands that they are closely related and understanding temp really sets the range for either. Everyone has different methods and ideas it's just matching what you can to the best of their abilities depending on legality and budget for grow environment. I have good air movement but I did say in one of the replies it's my first time running full hydro and I'm also Gorilla farming a little lots of plants in a limited space. I probably didn't title the thread right, I've been a coco grower for the last 8 years and have just developed from there. Part of that development is understanding a bit more of the technical things to increase your chance of success and utilizing the space you have to cultivate, I never paid any attention to VDP until this year always had a method and found a sweet spot with temp and humidity and bloomed from there lol. But I have looked into VDP but not that deep and now I have a new AC Infinity exhaust fan and on the app it has VDP as an environmental factor on their app and that's what's prompted the question to get a better understanding on it. Thanks again for the input
 

Delps8

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This site has good info VPD. I've used their PulseOne for four grows now and it's the brains of my grow. I upgraded my Bluetooth controllers to the AC Infinity 69 Controller today and was impressed with the VPD info. The Pulse has really good recording and reporting features but what's built into the AC Infinity controllers has a hell of a lot nicer price tag.
 

Forsure

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This site has good info VPD. I've used their PulseOne for four grows now and it's the brains of my grow. I upgraded my Bluetooth controllers to the AC Infinity 69 Controller today and was impressed with the VPD info. The Pulse has really good recording and reporting features but what's built into the AC Infinity controllers has a hell of a lot nicer price tag.
Yeah the VDP function on the AC infinity has got me to look a lot harder at that environmental factor and i must say it has made a big difference with this grow cycle
 

Delps8

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fartoblue

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How are you all talking about vpd and humidity like there different aspects?
vpd is humidity x temp so regardless of your humidity that means nothing to vpd unless you state your temps or kpa
Your saying that vpd is good but humidity is at 60? That is explaining that your temp range matches the safe route on humidity currently didn’t really state anything but then you all blast on about the rot and stuff?
I feel like many haven’t read or understood vpd properly or the reasons why


If VPD is too low then nutrients are not taken up with water as successfully which can lead to mineral deficiencies, such as calcium for example, and lower growth rates in general. Low VPD is also associated with highly saturated water in the surrounding environment leading to moulds and root rots in plants. If, however, VPD is too high then plants will have high transpiration rates causing heavy water uptake and along with this water higher nutrient uptake leading to toxic levels being present in plants resulting in rot.

if your vpd (humidity vs temp) is in the green zone meaning it doesn’t matter what your humidity is as if it’s right you DONT get rot at all that only sets in to damaged deficient or locked out buds it finds weaknesses it doesn’t outright attack unless it has the given grounds to vpd outa range the plant can’t protect its self

try going out in the snow and having a fight naked you’ll freeze then put 10 layers on and try again easy too much u fall over you need just the right amount of layers..

aslongas there is proper airflow a fan moving air no stable patches your humidity can go to and have flowered at 85 terrines increase if you dare haha but it’s better to increase and decrease humidity when you can’t manage temps too if they go high 32c you need to raise the humidity accordingly you can’t sit there going I don’t want to go above 45 cause I’ll get rot if the vid chart says u need to raise it YOU RAISE it god damn if you don’t your gona be in negative or positive kpa and cause lockoutsthat WILl lead to rot cause you caused an illness in the buds worrying about humidity values you was once’s quoted for beginners when your trying to follow advanced growing practises that rely on control of these factors

humidity doesn’t equal rot improper airflow and shit conditions in vpd management do
The charts there fuck the rest of you need to raise it raise it the idea is you keep the pressure right in the leaf or you get problems

I run organic I compost on my soil I throw rotting veg down till the end I have fungus growing all over my soil big hairy 3inch webs wet and dripping bugs and spiders you’d have a heart attack in my room and guess what I don’t get rot from my soil lol it increased my yields
Great post thank you.
 
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