humic acid ripoffs?

Chunky Stool

Chunky Stool

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I'm confused.
Here's the label from a product called fossil fuel that costs $20.
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3%
This product costs $25 but has twice as much humic acid.
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6%
This product costs $10.
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50%
WTF???
 
hyroot

hyroot

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Chunky Stool said:
Have you tried it?
I don't use enough worm castings to justify the investment.
This bag cost $10 and will last all year.
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I don't know anything about that brand. I make my own castings
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You want castings to make up 30% of your soil mix. Or you can topdress a 2 inch layer of castings then to dress mulch on top of that.

I go through about 2 cubic feet a month. Then I sell the rest of the castings


Keep in mind if you use bottled nutes the chemicals in them will hinder microbes. There's no such as organic bottled nutes. They all have chemicals and salts. Whether it's just preservatives or ph regulators in the bottle.
 
MisterBlah

MisterBlah

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So, here's what you have just figured out.

Just about all liquid blended fertilizers are a ripoff. It is a waste of money.

Onto Humic/Fulvic acids.

hyroot said:
Humic acids are pointless and derived from leonardite not humus / compost.
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Leonardite shale, a mined rock, is usually >80% humates (humic acid in it's dry state). So, you are right that they are derived from Leonardite shale.

Humic and Fulvic acids can be extracted from any material containing well-decomposed organic matter - soil, coal, composts, etc. So, your earthworm castings have humic and fulvic acids in them.

You can read more on them here: http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/newsletters/hortupdate/hortupdate_archives/2002/jun02/art4jun.html
 
T

THE KONASSURE

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Chunky Stool said:
I'm confused.
Here's the label from a product called fossil fuel that costs $20.
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3%
This product costs $25 but has twice as much humic acid.
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6%
This product costs $10.
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50%
WTF???
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yep and I buy a powdered one for around £10 to £20 get like 1kg of it and its over 70% pure I like fulvic acid best it should be pale the more pale it is the better grade it is you know so long as the purity is the same

In the USA you can get it really cheap
 
homebrewer

homebrewer

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hyroot said:
Keep in mind if you use bottled nutes the chemicals in them will hinder microbes. There's no such as organic bottled nutes. They all have chemicals and salts. Whether it's just preservatives or ph regulators in the bottle.
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This statement isn't really true. Sure, some substances can harm certain microbes but those same substances can also be dinner for another.
 
Chunky Stool

Chunky Stool

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homebrewer said:
This statement isn't really true. Sure, some substances can harm certain microbes but those same substances can also be dinner for another.
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Makes sense. It sounds like microbes have a high mortality rate since they are continuously replaced via compost tea.
 
Resinhound

Resinhound

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Look at bioAG for your humic/fulvic needs,priced right and cant beat the quality.The difference in bottled humics/fulvics is the collection method.I really like ful power their 100% fulvic acid.
 
bertaluchi

bertaluchi

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Chunky Stool said:
Then why do container growers brew tea? I am confused.
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I usually brew a good micobe tea after the first week of veg and again the week of the flip just to make sure my root zone is well inoculated. And 1 week after my microbe tea I feed an enzyme tea SST with barley. It seems to keep my plants and soil happy. It has been working well for me.
 
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