HR 6304 - A Bill to Abolish the 4th Amendment

SenorSanteria

SenorSanteria

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Thats not true at all. I dont want to vote for the winner, I want to vote for the person who is BEST SUITED to run our country. While Ron Paul has some great ideas, he also has some really shitty ones. I mean, yeah, Im all for the legalization of pot, but Im not going to vote for someone for that reason alone. A government cannot exist without taxes, and getting rid of the IRS is a mistake.
 
JohnnyPotSeed1969

JohnnyPotSeed1969

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are you sure you guys know how the electoral college works? mccain all but has the nomination for the republicans. after the convention, ron paul won't matter because you can only have one nominee for each party. all votes have been cast in the primaries, now it's time for the delegates to cast their votes. essentially, it's out of our hands now. the only hope ron paul has is if he gets the nod as an independent, and even then, he wouldn't get on the ballot in all 50 states; which all but assures he will not be the next president. while i admire your tenacity, as i too support many of his policies, he will not be the next president of the united states of america.

quite frankly, the presidency has become a popularity contest determined by how much money the candidates can spend drilling their shit-filled messages into the moronic brains of the masses. it has nothing to do with right or wrong any more, only right and left. this country is too polarized to unite around a darkhorse independent.
 
Seamaiden

Seamaiden

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Ron Paul has an extremely firm grasp on the economy and foreign affairs, far better than McCain or Obama. I loved watching him absolutely SCHOOL Bernanke. How would he be able to take the FR chairman to task if he didn't know what he was talking about?

How did our government function before the advent of the IRS, Social Security and income taxes? The IRS is a behemoth that crushes all who fall under its weight. It is self-funding, that's dangerous, because it's an agency that is essentially above the law. We don't need taxes that much (to function) in order to accept any agency that answers to no one and functions above and beyond the reach of the law.
 
SenorSanteria

SenorSanteria

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That still doesnt change the fact that a vote for Ron Paul is a vote down the toilet.

This is going to be a very close race between the canidates that actually matter. I think its important to choose the lesser of two evils (:sigh:... again), and make sure the better of the two is elected.

I think Barney the Dinosaur would make a great president, but that doesnt mean theres any sense in voting for him.
 
Seamaiden

Seamaiden

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JohnnyPotSeed1969 said:
are you sure you guys know how the electoral college works?
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Are you speaking to me? I definitely understand how the electoral college works, and how and why it came into being in the first place. ;)
mccain all but has the nomination for the republicans. after the convention, ron paul won't matter because you can only have one nominee for each party. all votes have been cast in the primaries, now it's time for the delegates to cast their votes.
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Are you sure you fully understand how voting in presidential elections works? It's not all about, or only about who has been nominated in a given party's primaries. You're aware that there is always the "write in" option, on the primary ballots, local, and presidential elections, right?
essentially, it's out of our hands now. the only hope ron paul has is if he gets the nod as an independent, and even then, he wouldn't get on the ballot in all 50 states; which all but assures he will not be the next president. while i admire your tenacity, as i too support many of his policies, he will not be the next president of the united states of america.
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If every person who half-heartedly supports Obama, or who supports Obama ONLY because they detest McCain would write in Ron Paul, that would cause an INCREDIBLE upset. Just think about it, look at the people just on this site, and extrapolate those numbers, because the people here are not unique in that respect.
quite frankly, the presidency has become a popularity contest determined by how much money the candidates can spend drilling their shit-filled messages into the moronic brains of the masses. it has nothing to do with right or wrong any more, only right and left. this country is too polarized to unite around a darkhorse independent.
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That's part of the problem, the status quo and those who will never buck the system. The other problem is what seems to be happening with our voting system, physically, at this time.
 
ilivefree

ilivefree

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SenorSanteria said:
That still doesnt change the fact that a vote for Ron Paul is a vote down the toilet.

This is going to be a very close race between the canidates that actually matter. I think its important to choose the lesser of two evils (:sigh:... again), and make sure the better of the two is elected.

I think Barney the Dinosaur would make a great president, but that doesnt mean theres any sense in voting for him.
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with all respect given, this attitude would've kept our fore-fathers under British rule and we'd have no USA. they took on the most powerful European nation of the time because they believed in their principals that much.

i will NOT vote for the better of the two evils, i will continue to vote for whom i think is the best leader, even of they are statistically doomed to fail. the more people refuse to sway from R or D, the longer we will be stuck with those two options. come on folks, you're letting the R and D parties force feed you liver and onions! fuck that, go for the steak and potatoes.

ron paul is the most like the leaders of our past; honorable, unable to be bought, a constitutionalist first and foremost, and willing to defend the constitution with everything he's got. since the first duty of the president is to DEFEND the constitution, ron paul is thus the most able leader.

and we don't need the IRS; income taxes were intended for federal employees only, they've been slipped upon all like a micky in a drink. we keep paying because we've got the fear of god about the IRS. financing the federal government could easily be done by other means and without stealing from my pocket each paycheck.

it would also be a heck of a lot easier to finance the federal government if it was back to the size it was intended to be (a.k.a. big enough to defend our borders militarily, and small enough to uphold federal law in a constitutional manner).
 
ilivefree

ilivefree

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oh, and by the way, i think the electoral college is outdated and totally unnecessary. modern society has the means to count a vote for a vote and we don't need to do the "majority rules" thing as far as state electoral votes. it's crap.

Some things to consider from one of my favorite presidents, Thomas Jefferson:

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."

"A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government. "

"Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto."

"Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state. "

and my all time favorite:

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
 
Seamaiden

Seamaiden

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Ilivefree, I agree with much of what you say, with the exception of the electoral college. Living in a low-population density area, it's a rather sharp distinction for me, especially being in California, where elections are decided essentially by two metropolitan areas (maybe three if you count San Diego).
 
ilivefree

ilivefree

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Seamaiden, how does the electoral college behoove you? Help me understand (I'm not being a smart ass, genuinely curious. )
 
Seamaiden

Seamaiden

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ilivefree said:
Seamaiden, how does the electoral college behoove you? Help me understand (I'm not being a smart ass, genuinely curious. )
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It makes it much more difficult for those in sparsely populated areas (or states) to be outvoted by a single state. It equalizes things. If the electoral college had not been devised, the colonies NEVER would have united, as that vote thing was a major sticking point.
 
ledgic13

ledgic13

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i think the popular vote is more inportant.

that basically says hey more people in american want you as a president vs , hey certain areas , get the privilege.

just they way they do red and blue states...

they do the vote 51% say there republican and then it becomes a republican state....
confusing..

go with the popular vote and vote in who the people want voted in, 1.2.3


but in all actuality how do we know voting works, ive never counted the balot, most people haven't.

is it not a possibility that our votes dont really count, and that it may appear that way, to keep us coming back, to feel like we have a choice.

bush getting elected twice. .

conveniently create problems then say we need to take away right as a result of theses problems , to better insure our safety from terrorists.

does anyone believe that shit!!!!!!!

well if not , thats what they basically told congress with hr6304.

the 4th is damn near if not gone all ready.

no bull shit.


start you militia, your god given right to protect your self from evil and foreign invasion and the government should it decided to go rouge on us....

eh, um the trade centers being knocked down by our gov, its happening...
 
We TaRdED

We TaRdED

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At first, I thought these "conspiracy "theories"" were just "conspiracy "theories"" too. I only knew what they told me via school and TV, for the most part until I started doing independent research.

Watch these! Over ~95% of it is fact and the other ~5% is educated speculation.

Who do you believe?

The MainStream Media(MSM) and gov't. "The kids need the fluoride in the tap water" YouTube - Notebook: Bottled Water

Or scientists and doctors?
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YouTube - Fluoride Poisoning
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About WW3....... After you educate yourself with these links you can clearly see that the media and gov't are sleeping together. You should also be aware that the media is trying to make us hate Iran (just like Iraq) by telling us all this BS propaganda. The MainsStream Media is owned by Zionist Jews and hence the wars in the middle east because of difference in religion and corrupt politics.

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Anyone else following?

The REVOLUTION has begun!

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~
 
ledgic13

ledgic13

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the jesuits are out to control it all.

most of those i have seen...

i dont hate i hate iran nor will i hate anyone, i wont play into there game, i wont be led around like im a pwan on a chess board, im not a sacrificial thing, nor are any of us.

when its all said and done its some sick game to these folks to have it all for them, but in the end true satanic evil will never be equal to man.

these jesuits and elite people playing us on the chess board are the just the "mediums"
or maybe "sons of god daughters of men"
but the real evil hasnt arrived yet.
because we dont all have marks on our foreheads, or right hand.
 
ledgic13

ledgic13

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We TaRdED said:
We do? What mark do I have? :?



Who are these "jesuits" and how do you figure they are trying to control it all?



i meant to say we "dont" have have this mark on our hand so ireal evil hasnt arrived yet.


you dont know what a jesuit is, then please take the time to educate yourself on the issue, you will find it to be very fascinating.

look into leo zagami as well.
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ledgic13

ledgic13

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growforbroke said:
how about everyone just comes to canada, then we can legalize it and everyone is happy, forever.
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do your homework man, canada, usa, and mexico are basicaly one country.

no b.s the 3 presidents signed a bill to combine us into one big continent.

by by canada, usa, a mexico,
say hello to the amero.
 
We TaRdED

We TaRdED

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ledgic13 said:
by by canada, usa, a mexico,
say hello to the amero.
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We shall see about that!

Thats what THEY WANT to do! Its not going to happen without another civil war, I can promise you that!

The REVOLUTION has begun!

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~
 
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