Hps vs New L.E.D.s

Nugachino

Nugachino

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You can't compare a heater with a light. A heater is designed to throw out heat and not light. The light is the opposite. They're geared differently.

Yes a 1000w light does output a fair bit of heat. But, it's main job is to produce light. Not heat.

Same with the heater. It's job is to heat an area. And despite that. You'd still notice a little bit of light coming from the element at high enough settings.
 
Gquebed

Gquebed

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Light
Heat
Rock
Grass
Glass


It is all the same. It is energy in different forms.

A rock is energy in storage. Light is energy on the move. Heat is the same in a different form. A plant turns light into sugar...it uses and produces energy.
 
ganjafather27

ganjafather27

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OP - People who use certain lights are always going to argue for their way.

From what I've found, LEDs are the way of the future, for sure. But right now, at this moment, if you want to replace a 600w HID with LED and get on par results, you're gonna be spending about a 800$ per light. COBs are the way to go, and you can save maybe $150-$100 per light by going DIY.

Chinese LEDs are cheap and they usually use crappy quality diodes that aren't optimal for plant growth which is why they don't grow marijuana very well. People get deficiencies, get UV burn, all sorts of problems with these cheap, discount, chinese panels. Don't waste your time with these as your main lighting. They surely can be useful as supplemental lighting, though.

LEDs are awesome, they are WAY more efficient. Newer kits have been coming out that make your lighting more... "controllable" (being able to control the amount of reds, blues, uv, etc. There are models that can even change the amounts of blues and reds by the hour, throughout the whole day to replicate the sun from rise to set.)

It's really no argument that LEDs are better, no grower in their right mind would choose to grow HID over LED if they were being given the equipment for free. That brings up the one real downside, price.

IF you want the right LEDs with powerful diodes, the right color temps, the right UV, you have to pay for it. If it costs $350 to set up a good 600w MH/HPS light, it's hard to justify spending $800 on an LED set up that is on par with your HID. Yes, they are more efficient, yes they will save you money in energy, yes they keep your grow room a little cooler, but it's gonna take 5 years before the price justifies itself.

Myself, I'm sticking with HID while using supplemental LEDs. I love LEDs, but the right technology just isn't affordable for me at this moment. When panels that can compete with my 600w HIDs drop below $600, ill start making the switch. It's gonna be a few more years though.
 
Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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Nugachino said:
You can't compare a heater with a light. A heater is designed to throw out heat and not light. The light is the opposite. They're geared differently.

Yes a 1000w light does output a fair bit of heat. But, it's main job is to produce light. Not heat.

Same with the heater. It's job is to heat an area. And despite that. You'd still notice a little bit of light coming from the element at high enough settings.
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You clearly don't get my point. The point is, it is wasting energy outside the PAR range, and definitely much on heat. My point is, it wastes energy on unusable transferred energy. Like, I can tell in your response, you completely missed the point.
 
Gquebed

Gquebed

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Olive Drab Green said:
Do you know what hash and hash oil such as shatter are made of? They're made of trichomes. Are you saying hash or shatter aren't more potent than flower?
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No they arent more potent. The trichs have the ingredients that give the high. However potent they are is exactly how potent hash and oil and shatter and all the concentrates are. Concentrates are just more concentrated than flower and will hit harder initially thats all.
 
Gquebed

Gquebed

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Olive Drab Green said:
..How do you figure that? Trichomes = resin glands. Resin glands produce THC. So how, exactly, do more trichomes not translate to more potency?

And it's between the light and the strain. If the light is optimal, these early trichomes will be produced. The plant produces trichomes not only in defense of itself, but in response to optimally bright light, I believe I've heard as a sort of sunscreen.
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2 Beer at 5% alcohol is not 10% alcohol. Its not more potent than one beer. They are the same potency. 5% each. 2 will get you a better buzz than one but volume is not potency.
 
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Dankistino

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Gquebed said:
2 Beer at 5% alcohol is not 10% alcohol. Its not more potent than one beer. They are the same potency. 5% each. 2 will get you a better buzz than one but volume is not potency.
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ya it seems like what you are saying makes sense. But is actually that some plants produce trichomes with a higher thc % or more compounds containing thc? I dont think ive ever hear it discussed whether some trichomes are 25%thc trichomes and some 15%thc. If all are created equal then frostiest would be most potent. Could the terpene profile make a 15% thc value plant seem way more dank that a 25%?
 
Gquebed

Gquebed

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Dankistino said:
ya it seems like what you are saying makes sense. But is actually that some plants produce trichomes with a higher thc % or more compounds containing thc? I dont think ive ever hear it discussed whether some trichomes are 25%thc trichomes and some 15%thc. If all are created equal then frostiest would be most potent. Could the terpene profile make a 15% thc value plant seem way more dank that a 25%?
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Hmmm... good question. I would think not though. But maybe i am underestimating the effect of terpenes...

As for the potency of the trichs on one plant...it does not change. They are all the same. And no... more trichs does not mean more potency. 5 beers at 5% will get you a good buzz. 25 of the same beers will likely make you pass out. That isnt a measure of potency. That is a measure of volume.

And think of this... smoke a whole joint to yourself and get wasted. Smoke two and do you get higher? No. We tend to top out at a certain point, which is why nobody ever ods on weed.
 
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Dankistino

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How would you explain the potency of trichs on different plants?
More thc in the trich?
The thc in the trich is more pure?
 
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Gquebed

Gquebed

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Dankistino said:
How would you explain the potency of trichs on different plants?
More thc in the trich?
The thc in the trich is more pure?
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That is beyond me. It is sort of like asking why some women have more estrogen than others... or why some apples are sweeter than others. It is genetics. If you answer the question: what purpose does thc serve to the plant? ... then you might be on the right track to an answer.

If i were to guess... since the resin (trichs) serve to protect the reproductive system (buds) of the female plant from UV light then maybe the level of thc in the trichs is related to how susceptable or prone the plant is to UV light? I dunno...just a guess...
 
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