Hps vs Mh

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
Hey, we LIKE eating our national symbols. mmm... BBQ roo & emu...

Ever had a nice deep-fried bald eagle?

No?

Why the hell not?

I hear it tastes like chicken. :lol:

/thread hijack off
 

We TaRdED

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Hey, we LIKE eating our national symbols. mmm... BBQ roo & emu...

Ever had a nice deep-fried bald eagle?

No?

Why the hell not?

I hear it tastes like chicken. :lol:

/thread hijack off
im not sure what you mean by /thread hijack off.... but his answered has been pretty much answered, if not this will act as a bump...

to answer your questions,

i have not tried a bald eagle because they are endangered(last time i checked), but if they weren't endangered and they tasted like chicken and was for sale at my local market then fuck ya i would eat some eagle :D :D :D

im just teasing you al. your my buddy :D what you and kangaroos do is your business.
i love you :mrgreen:

:peace:
 

d4mth3m4n

Active Member
I had read that HPS were better for bigger and taller buds, but that MH would give you more potent bud. I have a mixture of HPS/MH with blue MH bulbs for veg and red bulbs for flower and everything looks pretty good so far.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
I had read that HPS were better for bigger and taller buds, but that MH would give you more potent bud.
I read that if my auntie had balls, she'd be my uncle.

No, MH does NOT increase potency.

Wacky, wacky stuff goes round about cannabis...
 

corester123

Well-Known Member
LOL this thread has gotten WAYYY off topic. but yea i'm going to get the 600watt hps with blue bulb. thx for feedback, :mrgreen::peace:
 

sleepytown

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To take this thread off topic for a moment again, I just wanted to say that the Bald Eagle was taken off of the List of Endangered and Threatened Wildlife last year. So, it now makes for a wonderful guilt-free and exotic treat.

S-Town
 

We TaRdED

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To take this thread off topic for a moment again, I just wanted to say that the Bald Eagle was taken off of the List of Endangered and Threatened Wildlife last year. So, it now makes for a wonderful guilt-free and exotic treat.

S-Town
lmao.... sweet :D yummy

i heard they are like vultures in alaska with all them salmon:mrgreen:
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
LOL this thread has gotten WAYYY off topic. but yea i'm going to get the 600watt hps with blue bulb. thx for feedback, :mrgreen::peace:
Yep, that'll do.

Use a cooltube, well worth the dough for the tube, blower & duct for all the problems it will prevent.

Bald Eagle was taken off of the List of Endangered and Threatened Wildlife last year. So, it now makes for a wonderful guilt-free and exotic treat.
Not if you serve it with snail darter and spotted owl sauce. :lol:

i heard they are like vultures in alaska with all them salmon:mrgreen:
Alaskan vulture with salmon! Delicious- and good FOR you, too! :lol:
 

d4mth3m4n

Active Member
I read that if my auntie had balls, she'd be my uncle.

No, MH does NOT increase potency.

Wacky, wacky stuff goes round about cannabis...
I think my actual source for that was a "The Grow Show" by "marijuana man" Well, there was a more in depth explanation then "it's just more potent". It was saying something along the lines of this:

Marijuana makes THC glands to fight off harmful UV rays, the more UV the more THC glands. and that MH has more of a UV spectrum than HPS does so that they would infact create more thc glands and a higher potency.

I know to take everything with a grain of salt but it seemed to make sense to me, and was a very in depth explanation of the process broken down the the molecular level.

I also figured having MH and HPS would help create more overall spectrum coverage for all aspects of the plants growth.
 

We TaRdED

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I think my actual source for that was a "The Grow Show" by "marijuana man" Well, there was a more in depth explanation then "it's just more potent". It was saying something along the lines of this:

Marijuana makes THC glands to fight off harmful UV rays, the more UV the more THC glands. and that MH has more of a UV spectrum than HPS does so that they would infact create more thc glands and a higher potency.

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lmao, al just had this discussion with me a few days ago. lmao. i actually sent him the same link with that show with MJman from you tube...

sorry al, maybe he saw the same link on your thread and didnt realize it was your thread or something...... hehe

anyways, if i recall correctly, al doesnt believe UV has any noticeable effects and he's content with his HPS. also he believes that MJman was didnt have any conclusive facts and he was just going on a stoned rant...

al, if you read this, my bad for putting words in your mouth, but im not sure if your still subscribed to this thread any longer...

i love you :D
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
My closet gets so damn cold at night i think it'll bring it up into the mid 80's without one :peace:
I have a similar problem in winter. My intake air will drop to as low as 12C. The room relies on heat from lights and a dehumidifier to maintain the wintertime room air temp. My cooltubes are so good at moving heat out of the room that I do expect to have low temp related probs come winter.

The dehumidifier contributes a little heat, but if during lights-off in particular, that alone won't raise the room to my thermostat's 25C setpoint, the exhaust fan will never run. Not as critical during lights-off, but if it's REALLY cold here, with cooltubes, it's possible the exhaust won't run even when lights are on.

I'm going to add a couple of Y pipes and bits of duct to the inlet and outlet from my cooltubes so I can recirculate cooltube air from and back into the room's airmass by blocking the appropriate paths. Seems counterproductive, but keeping heat off the tops of the plants will reduce excessive stretch or runny bud formation (bolting). I'll dump the heat back into the flowering room but point it away from the plants.

You'll want to limit your max temp to 26C (78.8F). The happy range is 24-26C. :)
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
I think my actual source for that was a "The Grow Show" by "marijuana man" Well, there was a more in depth explanation then "it's just more potent". It was saying something along the lines of this:

Marijuana makes THC glands to fight off harmful UV rays, the more UV the more THC glands. and that MH has more of a UV spectrum than HPS does so that they would infact create more thc glands and a higher potency.

I know to take everything with a grain of salt but it seemed to make sense to me, and was a very in depth explanation of the process broken down the the molecular level.
Marijuana Man's assertion that UV has any effect on THC or resin production simply has no basis in fact.

Mac kicked Google's ass with the stuff he turned up about UV & cannabis in this post. The results of the best study of the lot are essentially inconclusive.

Be very careful with observational evidence and limited sample sizes. Ice melts down to water, snow melts down to water, everything melts down to water... see?

Scholarly rigour in scientific writing and use of scientific method really does have a lot more value than what someone's friend's uncle's brother-in-law said they once heard about someone doing with tanning bed tubes in their grow op.


I also figured having MH and HPS would help create more overall spectrum coverage for all aspects of the plants growth.
One thing that I don't drive home often enough is that in cannabis growing, 'more' is not always 'better.' More often than not, there's 'not enough, just right and dead' but sometimes there's 'completely unnecessary.'

At no point of the veg or flower cycle does the plant either need nor will use a full spectrum. Light energy is produced at a real cost to you and if the plant isn't using the light, it's wasted money.

Compromise lamps which produce a broad spectrum do so at the expense of maximum intensity. HPS & MH make much greater intensity than broad spectrum compromise lamps like Ceramic Metal Halide because their spectral outputs are limited to only the bands of light the plant will use. A 400HPS makes about 55K lumens with a peaky red-yellow emphasis. A 400CMH makes about 40K lumens but makes a broad, flat spectrum which resembles daylight. In flower, the plant simply won't care much about the extra blue available in CMH but it will react to the lower intensity by producing less dense flowers.

The only plausible reason to use broad spectrum lighting is if one cannot be bothered to change lamps when changing phase of growth. MH & HPS lighting are available for HPS control gear and switchable control gear can be had as well.

Pairing an MH and an HPS not only confronts the wastage via unused spectrum notion but also the 'lumens don't add' concept.
 

BigBudBalls

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Being that the plants seem to veg fine under CFLs, FLs, and HPS and HPS is the normal for good buds (and we want buds not plants) Go HPS!
 

BigBudBalls

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Pairing an MH and an HPS not only confronts the wastage via unused spectrum notion but also the 'lumens don't add' concept.
From what I've read recenently on this forum, lumens DO add, but intensity does not. Lumens is observed light by the human eye. Intensity is more the actual light output (# of photons?)

This was in a CFL thread. I'll dig it up if needed.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
From what I've read recenently on this forum, lumens DO add, but intensity does not. Lumens is observed light by the human eye. Intensity is more the actual light output (# of photons?)
I'm afraid you have that turned around a bit.

The lumen is the SI unit for luminous intensity. It is a measure of the energy or 'push' behind the photons, not the quantity of them.

You can run as many lamps as you like over a lux meter's light sensor but it will read the intensity value of the brightest lamp only.
 

ohgoditsagrow

Active Member
i recall jorge saying something about mh and hps in this months high times. he recomended switching to an mh for the last week or so of flowering to increase potency since mh lights give off more uvb light. so is this true or not? im sure alot of people on this board have more experience than jorge cervantes.
 

mywayorthehighway

Active Member
what we need to remember is that there are different photoreceptors in cannabis that react to the differing spectrums.... indeed, were you to use green light during vegetation you would grow bigger, stronger plants. As green light will negate the irradiance of both the blue and red spectrums.

Also, were you to grow a plant in a red and a blue environment at the same time you would notice discernable differences in growth patterns and even colour of the plant. Both in veg and flower. Red will give you buds, but blue will provide the extra leaf and more potent trichomes (the potency part, i realise is unproven... although certainly a mixed spec results in more potent bud), extra leaf to photosynthesise more light.

In essence we should all grow with fuller spectrums... even green has its place.
 

We TaRdED

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im sure alot of people on this board have more experience than jorge cervantes.
ya, the master AL B FUCT probably has more experience than him... he's one of the guru's on here.....

why is my nose brown? smells kinda nice though:hump:

i like to kiss his ass because it smells like the sweetest ganja on the planet.... ya he's that good :D

lmao peace out!
 
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