Uncle Ben
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You can't be serious.
How to trim fan leaves to focus energy on flowers?
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MonkeyGrinder
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Resinhound
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This is the biggest misconception I think,as I understand it the nutrients arent "food" for the plant.Rather they are the building blocks it uses to build with and create its own "food" which it does during the photosynthesis process in the leaves,it also stores food in the form of starches in the leaves.Perhaps im crazy but I feel like removing leaves for no reason or because they are "blocking"light is just bullshit and doing nothing but removing potential from my plant.My 2 cents.Right, I totally am on board with the removal of fan leaves shading some bud site or another plant's bud site even. In my case I have only this one plant. My query was more about removing fan leaves which are not blocking bud sites. If they are going to continue growing, does it take away nutrients and energy going to bud sites or is there more than enough to go around?
Gquebed
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I often wondered if there was a correlation between specific fan leaves and specific buds. But i never had the nads to to experiment.
And i still dont. Not after my experiences with defoliation. After those experiments it seems to me that the plant probably operates like an electricity grid.
Ie: fan leaves collect light and produce energy which all goes into the same pool, which the buds draw from as needed. So the only important thing is to keep enough fan leaves collecting enough light to support the energy requirements of all the bud sites.
I could be dead wrong. But that makes far more sense to me than fan leaf a produces energy for bud site c only....
And i still dont. Not after my experiences with defoliation. After those experiments it seems to me that the plant probably operates like an electricity grid.
Ie: fan leaves collect light and produce energy which all goes into the same pool, which the buds draw from as needed. So the only important thing is to keep enough fan leaves collecting enough light to support the energy requirements of all the bud sites.
I could be dead wrong. But that makes far more sense to me than fan leaf a produces energy for bud site c only....
Dr. Who
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The never ending parade of those who don't "SEARCH" to find answers to the same old questions over and over and over and over and over and over........
It just gets fucking ponderous!
I see now the burnout many get and simply don't bother answering or helping......I mean does it ever end?
Does nobody read anything but overblown internet claims or rely on hippie myths of the "bad ol days"?
Yeah, I had one of those days. Does it show?
OP. I have not done this and I will not. I see it on a regular basis. Someone who does defoliate.
I cringe HARD every time I see his plants! WOW......
Does it work?
yeah - he's increased his yields. I don't understand it but,,,it does work for him....
NOW THEN!
The problem is the puny little hard as a rock little popcorn size nugs make me laugh!
I put his product in my shops from time to time to help the guy out (Friends for the last 30+ years).
EVERY ONE buys the BIG juicy buds first....
It sells - very slowly and it goes on the 10 a gram special shelf...Don't get me wrong here, his quality is right there with the top shelf. Problem is (drum roll) "bag appeal" - It has none!
If you come back and say "Not what I mean. I simply want to expose my buds to the light."
WHY? The plant doesn't need that and your only reducing the actual "food factories" that supply the food TO the buds.
Still wondering?
Run 2 plants and do it to one and not to the other. (Same strain - same mother - should look like they are performing the same to be chosen for this test).
You will find a better answer that way.....
Your only stirring pots here and not getting what you "want to hear" - Even when we give you the answers.
Ben, I sure do get what you've told me about the.
Later
It just gets fucking ponderous!
I see now the burnout many get and simply don't bother answering or helping......I mean does it ever end?
Does nobody read anything but overblown internet claims or rely on hippie myths of the "bad ol days"?
Yeah, I had one of those days. Does it show?
OP. I have not done this and I will not. I see it on a regular basis. Someone who does defoliate.
I cringe HARD every time I see his plants! WOW......
Does it work?
yeah - he's increased his yields. I don't understand it but,,,it does work for him....
NOW THEN!
The problem is the puny little hard as a rock little popcorn size nugs make me laugh!
I put his product in my shops from time to time to help the guy out (Friends for the last 30+ years).
EVERY ONE buys the BIG juicy buds first....
It sells - very slowly and it goes on the 10 a gram special shelf...Don't get me wrong here, his quality is right there with the top shelf. Problem is (drum roll) "bag appeal" - It has none!
If you come back and say "Not what I mean. I simply want to expose my buds to the light."
WHY? The plant doesn't need that and your only reducing the actual "food factories" that supply the food TO the buds.
Still wondering?
Run 2 plants and do it to one and not to the other. (Same strain - same mother - should look like they are performing the same to be chosen for this test).
You will find a better answer that way.....
Your only stirring pots here and not getting what you "want to hear" - Even when we give you the answers.
Ben, I sure do get what you've told me about the
.Later
Gquebed
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The never ending parade of those who don't "SEARCH" to find answers to the same old questions over and over and over and over and over and over........
It just gets fucking ponderous!
I see now the burnout many get and simply don't bother answering or helping......I mean does it ever end?
Does nobody read anything but overblown internet claims or rely on hippie myths of the "bad ol days"?
Yeah, I had one of those days. Does it show?
OP. I have not done this and I will not. I see it on a regular basis. Someone who does defoliate.
I cringe HARD every time I see his plants! WOW......
Does it work?
yeah - he's increased his yields. I don't understand it but,,,it does work for him....
NOW THEN!
The problem is the puny little hard as a rock little popcorn size nugs make me laugh!
I put his product in my shops from time to time to help the guy out (Friends for the last 30+ years).
EVERY ONE buys the BIG juicy buds first....
It sells - very slowly and it goes on the 10 a gram special shelf...Don't get me wrong here, his quality is right there with the top shelf. Problem is (drum roll) "bag appeal" - It has none!
If you come back and say "Not what I mean. I simply want to expose my buds to the light."
WHY? The plant doesn't need that and your only reducing the actual "food factories" that supply the food TO the buds.
Still wondering?
Run 2 plants and do it to one and not to the other. (Same strain - same mother - should look like they are performing the same to be chosen for this test).
You will find a better answer that way.....
Your only stirring pots here and not getting what you "want to hear" - Even when we give you the answers.
Ben, I sure do get what you've told me about the
Later
I think part of the problem is, for those who do actually try to research online, is that they run into threads where the answer to their question ins a debate where close to half are pro and the other half is con... so the newb (of which i am still one) is confused.... so they ask the same question again in a new thread ....on the hope there might be someone that offers a more definitive answer....
Ive been there and done that.... then you end up following some bad info and learn the hard way that it was the other answer that you shouldve tried...
This thread isnt an example of that....jus sayin....
What would really help is if those who dont know just stay the fuck out of the thread... it seems that many on here have never grown a thing but they pretend they know how because theyve watched a youtube vid and read a few threads...
skunkwreck
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And did you know that you don't need a 7 gal. rootball ? You can keep that shyt in a half galThe never ending parade of those who don't "SEARCH" to find answers to the same old questions over and over and over and over and over and over........
It just gets fucking ponderous!
I see now the burnout many get and simply don't bother answering or helping......I mean does it ever end?
Does nobody read anything but overblown internet claims or rely on hippie myths of the "bad ol days"?
Yeah, I had one of those days. Does it show?
OP. I have not done this and I will not. I see it on a regular basis. Someone who does defoliate.
I cringe HARD every time I see his plants! WOW......
Does it work?
yeah - he's increased his yields. I don't understand it but,,,it does work for him....
NOW THEN!
The problem is the puny little hard as a rock little popcorn size nugs make me laugh!
I put his product in my shops from time to time to help the guy out (Friends for the last 30+ years).
EVERY ONE buys the BIG juicy buds first....
It sells - very slowly and it goes on the 10 a gram special shelf...Don't get me wrong here, his quality is right there with the top shelf. Problem is (drum roll) "bag appeal" - It has none!
If you come back and say "Not what I mean. I simply want to expose my buds to the light."
WHY? The plant doesn't need that and your only reducing the actual "food factories" that supply the food TO the buds.
Still wondering?
Run 2 plants and do it to one and not to the other. (Same strain - same mother - should look like they are performing the same to be chosen for this test).
You will find a better answer that way.....
Your only stirring pots here and not getting what you "want to hear" - Even when we give you the answers.
Ben, I sure do get what you've told me about the
Later
and still getta pound .
Dr. Who
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Kinda over exaggerated but, yeah
skunkwreck
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Yeah it was....
hyroot
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Uncle Ben
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Not that it's relevant to this discussion, but take a stab at this and translate:
CONCLUSIONS
We have outlined recent advances in understanding the molecular processes that control shade avoidance responses in plants. The involvement of multiple phytochromes in these responses has been established, and various downstream components of the phytochrome transduction pathways have been identified and are being characterized. Some of these (PIF3 and ATHB-2) act as transcriptional regulators, and changes in their levels result in developmentally specific alterations that are reflected in whole plant morphogenesis. The direct (physical) interaction of PIF3 with the phytochrome molecules and the ability of ATHB-2 to affect auxin response pathways provided some insight into the mechanisms underlying the coordination of the overall response in different plant organs. A major challenge for the future will be to understand whether independent antagonistic pathways operate (through PIF3 and ATHB-2, respectively) in the control of shade avoidance responses, or if light signals originating from different photoreceptors are integrated together (through PIF3) in the control of the ATHB-2 gene expression.
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Uncle Ben
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Could it be that you/they are "looking for love" in all the wrong places?
There is and has never been any cannabis threads that offer quality data. It's all anecdotal, tailored to their belief system which is usually misguided because they do not nor will not get an education into horticulture and botany. When's the last time you heard someone quoting correct info by sources such as Mel Franks (who backs it up with U. of Mississippi cannabis experiments and tests) or the excellent author, R.C. Clarke, "Marijuana Botany" ? Been doing this growing and posting thing for over 15 years and it's the same ole same ole stuff....started and rehashed by every new crop of newbs.
Here's an example of a pro folks should be reading and embracing rather than pissing off their time and money in cannabis forums. http://puyallup.wsu.edu/lcs/
Uncle Ben
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Of course and this thread like many IS an example of that, see my sig line.
The title of this thread is a prime example of an OP's lack of understanding of botany. The most important cultural challenge is the production, retention and health of a robust root system and canopy and they're focusing instead on buds which are driven by the very thing they're going to remove?
It's laughable.
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Gquebed
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True. But a noob has to learn that there is little to be gained from forums...the hard way..
However, the first forum i was on HGS was a great one...friendly experienced guys helped the best they could....
Then i came here when that forum died....rude awakening.
So... back to the books... but even they only go so far. They tell whats needed but not the detail in how...
Nothing replaces experience. And sadly the only way to get it is to make mistakes....
Uncle Ben
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Mel Frank's book is your secret to success. You will spend hours in cannabis forums trying to figure out who are the posers vs the seasoned gardeners. If you first empower yourself with horticulture, there wouldn't be any problems. Treat this weed no different than any other tropical dicot - a tomato plant or pepper for example. It is just another foliage plant that flowers like all tropical plants do. It doesn't like low N bloom foods during flowering, mother nature didn't stick a large solar collector on an 8" petiole, sticking way out there collecting photons, so some newb could come along and pick it off.
Here's a few of my ditties I've written over the years.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/uncle-bens-gardening-tweeks-and-pointers.267989/
https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-never-ending-abuse-of-phosphorous-bloom-foods-to-enhance-flowering.158144/
https://www.rollitup.org/t/plant-moisture-stress-symptoms-and-solutions.150004/
This one shows how crammed together my indoor plants are:
https://www.rollitup.org/t/spin-out-for-chemical-root-pruning.9114/
Here's a few of my ditties I've written over the years.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/uncle-bens-gardening-tweeks-and-pointers.267989/
https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-never-ending-abuse-of-phosphorous-bloom-foods-to-enhance-flowering.158144/
https://www.rollitup.org/t/plant-moisture-stress-symptoms-and-solutions.150004/
This one shows how crammed together my indoor plants are:
https://www.rollitup.org/t/spin-out-for-chemical-root-pruning.9114/
Gquebed
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Thanks for the tips.
What i have most difficulty with is watering properly, especially when the plants are young. Even after 5 years i still tend to overwater seedlings and that proves problematic for the rest of the grow. His round i have managed much better, but that is a result of having accumulated more experience recognizing signs earlier. This is a perfect example of where reading tells you what is required and even how to do it, but... for the noob dialling in a regimen simply requires doing and suffering mistakes. Here is where personal demonstration would be a great help, but... where other gardeners can get together, this plant brings with it a level of paranoia that precudes that. And so... try, fail learn...
Or luck out....lol
Also, ive gotten to a level of competence with the basics in fertilizing and am ready for more specific advanced info on ratios... where might i find that? (I have not reviewed your posted links thoroughly yet)
oilfield bud
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I have found different strains act differently to defoltion, defoliation stunted my cr+ but I was extremely disappointed I didn't defoliat my hso purple trainwreck. Last time I got sold nuggs just as good as the tops when I did all the way to the base of the plant
Uncle Ben
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If you had a good root system and canopy, over watering would never be a problem all things considered (size of pot, soil structure.)
Gquebed
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Well that has been the problem...suffocating them right after germination...lol
Seem to have that sorted out now...taking notes really helps sort out probs...
Final Phase
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I've been cutting the middle leaf from each set of leaves if that middle leaf is shading a flower - which happens A LOT.
By doing this the supply from the set of leaves isn't cut off.
By doing this I have no idea if it's helping the flowers/buds to get bigger or better...
It does give me something do so I don't fuck something else up
By doing this the supply from the set of leaves isn't cut off.
By doing this I have no idea if it's helping the flowers/buds to get bigger or better...
It does give me something do so I don't fuck something else up