How to stay legal in Michigan

stumpjumper said:

You could have 2.5 oz of hash..

Tommy, I don't consider wanting to have enough to get me through between grows "loving to live in the grey area" and YES it is what the medical movement is about. I'm not selling shit. It would be cheaper for me in the long run to grow enough to get me by for 6 months and not grow in between rather than having grow lights blazing every single day of every month, all year long. And it's fucking impossible to harvest just 2.5 oz. Unless you want to grow some stunted, impotent plant that only yeilds an ounce or something. It wouldn't be medical quality though. Screw that.

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Northern Lab said:

That's also a great solvent to use, especially if you can recover it with a table top water distiller or something similar. It does contain a bit more water, and that does interfere with the solvent's ability to dissolve the cannabinoids so there is a trade off. I think we all agree that the major benefit is that it is relatively non-toxic, so if you're just learning to make extractions, it may be a good thing to start with. Even if you have a way to recover it, it can get quite expensive to produce on a regular basis.

The big thing about using petro based solvents is that you really have to make sure that you boil off ALL the solvent if you use something other than ethyl alcohol (everclear), that's why it's important to have a coffee cup warmer that you can use to evaporate the last bit of solvent over the course of a day or two.

There are many different ways to make concentrates, and everyone has their own method. It's important if you're going to be doing it regularly to make the most efficient use of time and materials that you can while maintaining quality and safety.

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cephalopod said:

Northern, I worried about the petroleum mainly and hadn't consider a decrease in strength, but will attest to it being visibly thinner. Any tricks, other than cooking duration, to tell that the petroleum products have completely dissipated. Wasn't knocking you, just learning myself. If I know that I can be safe about it, I'd use either the Naptha or iso. Have you found them to be fairly equal, what are the trade offs?

Hey Bob, if you don't mind sharing, what type of uvb bulb are you using and what have you found to be the effect. I've been considering adding a few and it seems either a compact or reptile tube are my options.

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bob harris said:

That's one of the problems I face.I grow Sativa, and have 1800 watts on 4 plants..plus another 150 watts of uvb to finish. My electric bill is...big.
You can grow 'weed" under cfl's..medicinal grade sativa's...takes a little more effort.

Hopefully, when this is said and done, there will actually be mandatory testing to separate the swag from the meds..Pain management is easy..blast out an easy grow strong indica...plenty of cbd's and cbn's to numb you up...need something for a neurological disorder..thc and thcv are the needed compounds with low cb's, that means low yield, slow flower sativa's..trickier and pricier to grow...

Not to mention the chemical residue, pesticides , mites and molds found in a lot of the "med grade" stuff being generated by the "profiteer" growers.

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Murfy said:

i use-

cheap 7200 Kelvin 400W metal halide lights.

BARE.
much uv.

through a little known prismatic effect of uv through the head of the trich.

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stumpjumper said:

I hope we can agree to disagree, but I have smoked some VERY potent meds that were grown under just a HPS and even Just CFL's. I'm not saying you can't get better results with some UV lighting but I don't think it is neccessary to achieve a medicinal grade product. I think you are right about needing a even canopy though.

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stumpjumper said:

We'll I have some sativa's going right now under a 600w. I don't plan on using any supplemental lighting. I'll tell you whether I actually agree or disagree in a few months. I'll be honest too!

But hell you have me second guessing, maybe I should get a few reptile bulbs lol.

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Murfy said:

i would like some sources-

that the ACLU is appealing a MMMA ruling in michigan.

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bob harris said:

Just get one..place it over one plant..uvb penetration is only about 20 inches from the 10.0 bulbs.....then compare to the other plants...
I did a side by side test before going all out, and was sold when I saw the difference in trich production.

Ed Rosenthall also wrote an article on it...basically says that plants, in nature, always have a higher thc to cb's ratio when grown nearer the equator, because of the higher uvb..
http://mjgrowers.com/book_what_exper1.htm

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