How to get seeds and good bud in one harvest?

Guitar guy

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Hi, I'm wondering how to get a decent amount of seeds from a plant but also get good smokable bud from the plant. I know of the colloidal silver technique but I'm wondering if there's any way to get seeds with only a female without the offspring being prone to becoming hermie
 

darkdestruction420

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just 1 female? im pretty sure their is another chemical but it carries the same problem as collodial. other than that, well, i suppose you could take a clone, root it, flower it and then hermie it.
 

smokinrav

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Well, you need pollen from a male grown away from the females. Take a very fine brush and dip the tip in the pollen and then dab it on the preflowers present at the node intersections. It takes just a little pollen per preflower, so careful not to spill, turn the fans off, and you can have sensimilla buds and dozens of seeds at the same time.
 

Guitar guy

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Well I bought feminized seeds so any male plant that I could get pollen from would have to be from the bag seed I'm growing. That is, if the bagseed turns out to be male.

I was thinking about topping the WW at a point where I will have a big enough piece to clone. Then force the clones plant to hermie. I just don't want it to put too many seeds into the main WW plant ill be growing. This strain is definitely a keeper and I was hoping to save as many seeds as I could for when I get enough money for a tent or two. Why do stoners ramble a lot? Lol
 

Guitar guy

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Thats only if this bag seed I'm growing turns out to be a male. If it doesn't, would it be possible to herm the plant, cut off all bananas except for like on one bud and let that pollinate? I know ill end up with a lot of seeds that way though. Maybe bag the male flower and collect pollen that way?

If that will work, I just need a surefire way to hermie my plant
 

darkdestruction420

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what happened to the plan of taking a clone and making it hermie? i thought thats what we were discussing. that idea would work but you'll need to seperate the clone you hermie from the rest. how to make it hermie? light cycle interruptions work.
 

Guitar guy

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Yes we were talking about taking a clone. My apologies, I replied in this thread after a bowl and just completely rambled lol. My original plan was to top the plant and use the top for a clone but I think I'm just going to top as soon as I can and force it to flower (I usually do 12/12 from seed) and then clone one of the lower branches. I know it will be harder in 12/12 but I need my medicine to finish asap
 

Pipe Dream

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Yeah I'm pretty sure you shouldn't smoke a plant sprayed with CS. You can pollinate only select areas and save the rest but you need a seperate area to flower the males. In my findings, sometimes you have to sacrifice one or the other. Branches that don't get light don't make good seeds IME. If you decide to take a clone of her, you will have to keep the male vegging until she's ready to flower again which can be a pain.
 

ru4r34l

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You do not need a male or silver suspension when you have Tiresias mist. Do a search there seems to be alot of good results with this product, I have ordered a bottle but yet to receive it and will have to wait another grow cycle before putting it to the test.

[video=youtube;cFNk2LxmGAY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFNk2LxmGAY[/video]

regards,
 

crazyhazey

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fems arent really worth it, nobody wants a hermie in their garden. grow out some reg seeds, get a male and pollinate the preflowers on the girl plants, or you can just leave the male in a bush or somewhere away from your girls, wait for him to put out pollen, collect it then pollinate the lower buds with the collected pollen, with a paintbrush preferably.
 

ru4r34l

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fems arent really worth it, nobody wants a hermie in their garden. grow out some reg seeds, get a male and pollinate the preflowers on the girl plants, or you can just leave the male in a bush or somewhere away from your girls, wait for him to put out pollen, collect it then pollinate the lower buds with the collected pollen, with a paintbrush preferably.
Absoloutely, if you have the space, time, and patience. I have grown out a few males (by accident thanks to some wayward breeders) and collected pollen, most recently Bubba76 from Emerald Triangle.

Finding a suitable male through reg seeds is just as daunting as a task as finding a suitable female, it could take cycles of clones to find just what your looking for. If you believe you have a nice stable fem why not get her to produce pollen and pollinate herself or siblings.

The tendency to hermie is a real possibility in most plant species, so I don't worry about them, also I have never had a plant hermie on me even when trying my hardest hence the Tiresias Mist purchase.

regards,
 

darkdestruction420

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the point you raise is fairly valid. it is very important with fem seeds made in that manner that you watch for hermies closely as their is always the chance. i personally feel its worth the risk overall in this case but making some seeds with a bagseed male too wouldnt hurt either. just one little lower bud can give plenty of seeds so it wouldnt be that big of a loss.

original poster, if you want to get a perpetual grow going it would be easier and quicker i think to forget about seeds for a while. especially if one of your primary concerns is having a constant steady supply of meds. all you need to do is take a few clones from this current plant and put them in a seperate veg area somewhere, since you'll be cloning from plant in 12/12 it will take a bit longer to get them reverted and going. when your plant in the flower area is done this first generation may not quite be where you want it size wise to get 3 or 4 good clones off so you may need to veg them in the flower area a week or two after the first plant is done flowering so they get bigger and more mature. by the time the generation 2 is done flowering the clones of generation 3 should be plenty large enough to take 3 orr 4 clones off each and be put into flower. once you get cloning mastered and have as many clones each generation you want you can cut down to taking 1 clone per plant each generation. then you can have plenty of spare clones to play with and make as many seeds as you'd like and you'll have good constant harvests every few months. cloning is incredibley easy. I use a method that can take a bit longer for rooting than other methods but is so easy and foolproof it makes up for it. no worrying about humidity, no worrying about the moisture level in the cloning medium, no worrying about cloning powder(ive found in water cloning that personally it doesnt seem to help anything adding a little bit of rooting powder to the water or dipping the clones in gel first), no worrying about misting, no worrying about powdery mildew, only things you have to worry about is that the cups have enough water in them and that you do not give them too much light. heres the guide that got me into it.....
How do I clone plants?



As easy as cloning is to the masses that use powder, liquid/gel rooting hormone, bubblers and soil, etc. There is an even less complex method of cloning that is so easy, it must have been around for decades, if not centuries. The only ingredients involved are water, light, and the cutting you would like to root. In the example I?m going to show, I?ve cut three different sizes of clone. The first with two leaves and a single growing tip (S). The next has four nodes, but still only a couple large leaves (M). The third is 6? tall, has seven nodes and several sets of good-sized leaves (L).

As with normal cloning, you immediately dip the cutting in the water for about 15 to 30 seconds, tweaking it to dislodge any air bubbles that may be present. But the biggest difference is, you won?t be removing the cutting from the water until it has roots big enough to support the foliage above. Make sure the cup, which contains the cutting, is opaque. This prevents the light from shining directly on the roots.

So far, I?ve mentioned the cuttings and the water, but the most important part is the light. I have made this method work 100% of the time simply by sitting my cuttings on a windowsill that receives no direct sunlight. In fact, slightly shaded would be even better. In the evenings (short days), I sit them on an end table over 7 feet from a ceiling mounted 100-watt incandescent bulb. At bedtime, I just turn off the lights like normal, and when I get up in the AM its back to the windowsill. During the longer daylight hours they can be left on the sill full time. Remember, no direct sunlight.

The picture shows my three cuttings in their water cups. M & L have barely an inch of water to sit in. Any more and it would cover one of the leaf stems. The smaller one stayed in the plastic because the stem was too short to sit in water and stay upright in the cup. Do what?s necessary to keep at least ½? of the stem in the water.

Notice the glass that diffuses light, an extra measure against too much light exposure.


The clones grew roots at far different speeds. S showed in seven days, with a small ¼? long root and another small protrusion.


By the time S?s roots reached this level of development (nine days), L was just putting out the first nubs that would be roots. M has shown no inclination of rooting at all. Searching for an answer, I changed the water in Ms cup, but I think it boils down too the thickness of the stem. Both M&L have the same size stem but L has far more foliage on top.


S is doing far better than the others (seen below) and M is finally starting to show.


M showed roots in 14 days and was planted on day 18.
This picture was taken just before transplant.


L showed roots on day 11 and was in soil at day 18.
This picture was taken just before transplant.


S showed roots at seven days and was in the soil at 15.
This picture was taken just before transplant.

 

Kite High

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just 1 female? im pretty sure their is another chemical but it carries the same problem as collodial. other than that, well, i suppose you could take a clone, root it, flower it and then hermie it.
and what problem is that? STS solution is a proven and widely used femming method that does NOT encourage the hermie trait...it is rodelization which inherently produce hermaphroditic traits...fem seeds save time and keep the genetics more uniform...those are the facts...all this fem cause herms is fallacy
 

Kite High

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You do not need a male or silver suspension when you have Tiresias mist. Do a search there seems to be alot of good results with this product, I have ordered a bottle but yet to receive it and will have to wait another grow cycle before putting it to the test.

[video=youtube;cFNk2LxmGAY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFNk2LxmGAY[/video]

regards,
so you rather pay someone else for your colloidal silver?
 

darkdestruction420

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and what problem is that? STS solution is a proven and widely used femming method that does NOT encourage the hermie trait...it is rodelization which inherently produce hermaphroditic traits...fem seeds save time and keep the genetics more uniform...those are the facts...all this fem cause herms is fallacy
the problem of not being able to smoke stuff sprayed with it, also note that i said i think it has the same problem, at this point im not 100% certain as its been awhile since ive read about it........i am also pretty certain whatever product you are advising is NOT the same one im thinking of. i can find the name, give me a sec....gibberellic acid. I am well aware their are chemicals and methods you can use to get genetically stable female seeds. in this situation those methods do not help him wanting smokeable bud and the other methods at his disposal do carry a risk of getting hermies. i dont know if ive ever read of the method/chemical you keep talking about so im going to look into it more, i like to learn new things. thanks for bringing it to my attention.
 

Guitar guy

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I don't care about feminized seeds really, I just want seeds lol. If having a girl plant fuck herself gives me a 50/50 chance of hermies ill just start more seeds to raise the chance of getting a not hermie plant.

And thanks so much man for the post about cloning. Whenever I can get a cab for vegging I will do perpetual growing. Until then I'm stuck with the traditional method :\
 

darkdestruction420

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in the end you will need 2 areas to make seeds though. you have to keep the hermie clone or male bagseed away from the female and paint the pollen on her to make sure you dont get a seedy plant instead of one with a few heavily seeded buds and the rest sinsemilla. you dont really need that much to get it started. the most expensive piece may be the cabinet but if you go to like good will and thrift stores you should be able to get one that is cheap and will work. after that you can start with just a few bulbs and add more as you can afford it. it wont be perfect but it would be a good start and a good investment.
 
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